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Posted to dev@httpd.apache.org by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com> on 2000/06/25 00:28:09 UTC
Land a Man on the Moon
There are some who say that without JFK's push to, "before this decade
is out, land a man on the moon" that it's unlikely that NASA would have
ever achieved this goal. Past history shows that we also seem to
work better when we have a clear goal in mind.
At ApacheCon 2000, we had the goal of getting 2.0a1 out, and by the
work and dedication of various people, it happened. It appears
to me, that setting a goal to have 2.0 (no alpha, no beta, plain
old 2.0) for ApacheCon 2000 Europe is within our grasp. This means
a beta soon...
Who says yes? Who says no?
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Re: Land a Man on the Moon
Posted by rb...@covalent.net.
> > Who says yes? Who says no?
>
> I'm in *general* agreement, though personally I prefer something like this:
>
> . release a 2.0 "release candidate" at the beginning of AC2K-E
> . take every opportunity to evangelize the release candidate among
> the attendees in hopes of getting a higher level of deployment than
> achieved with the betas (hopefully on more production servers)
> . release 2.0 a month or so later
>
> Nothing can ever be perfect, but we might be able to squeeze a few
> more bugs out this way, lowering the risk of a bad rep for 2.0. A bad
> rep can mean a big slowdown in deployment.
Set our goals high, and don't be afraid to fail at them. Set the goal at
"releasing the official 2.0 at AC Europe", if we miss so what. Apache
hasn't historically done release candidates. Those are our betas. As we
get close to actually releasing the code, we roll a tarball and just
release it.
Ryan
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Re: Land a Man on the Moon
Posted by Jeff Trawick <tr...@ibm.net>.
> From: Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:28:09 -0400 (EDT)
>
> At ApacheCon 2000, we had the goal of getting 2.0a1 out, and by the
> work and dedication of various people, it happened. It appears
> to me, that setting a goal to have 2.0 (no alpha, no beta, plain
> old 2.0) for ApacheCon 2000 Europe is within our grasp. This means
> a beta soon...
>
> Who says yes? Who says no?
I'm in *general* agreement, though personally I prefer something like this:
. release a 2.0 "release candidate" at the beginning of AC2K-E
. take every opportunity to evangelize the release candidate among
the attendees in hopes of getting a higher level of deployment than
achieved with the betas (hopefully on more production servers)
. release 2.0 a month or so later
Nothing can ever be perfect, but we might be able to squeeze a few
more bugs out this way, lowering the risk of a bad rep for 2.0. A bad
rep can mean a big slowdown in deployment.
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RE: Land a Man on the Moon
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@lnd.com>.
> From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:jim@jaguNET.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 5:28 PM
>
> At ApacheCon 2000, we had the goal of getting 2.0a1 out, and by the
> work and dedication of various people, it happened. It appears
> to me, that setting a goal to have 2.0 (no alpha, no beta, plain
> old 2.0) for ApacheCon 2000 Europe is within our grasp. This means
> a beta soon...
>
> Who says yes? Who says no?
Absolutely +1 to the roll of 2.0 release .0 on 23 October 2000.
It means, of course, beta 1 (or whatever we call it, I already surmized
that each alpha number used up at beta rev no.) If each beta catches
80% of the bugs, 2 betas catch 96% of the bugs, 3 betas catch 99.2%
before release 0. If we seriously expect to roll three fast betas,
we need to drop no. 1 on 28 July, a little over one month away. That's
allow a four week window for users to break and coders to fix (not every
bug identified prior to each subsiquent beta, though :)
I would be very happy to see three betas to get there, and won't count
the alphas. Without binaries, many testers aren't.
Re: Land a Man on the Moon
Posted by Ask Bjoern Hansen <as...@valueclick.com>.
On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Jim Jagielski wrote:
[...]
> old 2.0) for ApacheCon 2000 Europe is within our grasp. This means
> a beta soon...
I can volunteer to do some of the releases again if it's wanted.
- ask
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Re: Land a Man on the Moon
Posted by rb...@covalent.net.
On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> There are some who say that without JFK's push to, "before this decade
> is out, land a man on the moon" that it's unlikely that NASA would have
> ever achieved this goal. Past history shows that we also seem to
> work better when we have a clear goal in mind.
>
> At ApacheCon 2000, we had the goal of getting 2.0a1 out, and by the
> work and dedication of various people, it happened. It appears
> to me, that setting a goal to have 2.0 (no alpha, no beta, plain
> old 2.0) for ApacheCon 2000 Europe is within our grasp. This means
> a beta soon...
>
> Who says yes? Who says no?
++++++1. This has been my goal since we released a1 at ApacheCon.
Ryan
_______________________________________________________________________________
Ryan Bloom rbb@apache.org
406 29th St.
San Francisco, CA 94131
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