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Re: all podlings please update and maintain project metadata
Please maintain your incubation metadata. This then enables
other volunteers to have information at their fingertips to
assist them to assist others. There are also some automated
processes that utilise this metadata, as also happens when
you become a Top-Level Project (TLP).
Please see previous email below.
-David
David Crossley wrote:
>
> Would all podlings please update and maintain your project metadata.
> It is up to your project members.
>
> This metadata is used by various processes to assist with managing
> the many projects in the Incubator. Please do not expect other
> people to do it for you. This will not scale, either now or when
> you are TLPs.
>
> Recently Clutch is detecting that there are many such issues [1].
> The notes in that table try to assist by linking to some relevant
> documentation.
>
> Incoming projects need to add their details to content/podlings.xml
> Incubating projects need to keep that content up-to-date.
> Outgoing projects need to adjust that content as they go through the
> graduation phases.
>
> This then assists all volunteers to assist all volunteers.
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other
>
> -David
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Re: all podlings please update and maintain project metadata
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Daniel Shahaf wrote on Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 09:34:24 +0200:
> David Crossley wrote on Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 17:52:26 +1100:
> > Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> > > Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> > > > Shane Curcuru wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Separately, I'd love to hear any comments about how this kind of
> > > >> requirement is expressed in the graduation guides. I.e. is it clear,
> > > >> even to normal humans (i.e. 99.99% of the world who are not Incubator
> > > >> experts) that these things are required of TLPs before (and after)
> > > >> graduation?
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, https://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-graduation
> > > > seems to be read and followed by most graduating projects.
> >
> > Ah, maybe we have identified the breakdown. Perhaps they skip
> > the Incubator documentation.
> >
> > I reckon that we need to link in both directions.
> >
>
> Agreed: linking from #requesting-podling to the incubator.a.o page
> documenting the overall process from the podling's POV would make sense.
> Go for it :)
The point applies to both #requesting-podling and #requesting-graduation.
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Re: all podlings please update and maintain project metadata
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
David Crossley wrote on Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 17:52:26 +1100:
> Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> > Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> > > Shane Curcuru wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Separately, I'd love to hear any comments about how this kind of
> > >> requirement is expressed in the graduation guides. I.e. is it clear,
> > >> even to normal humans (i.e. 99.99% of the world who are not Incubator
> > >> experts) that these things are required of TLPs before (and after)
> > >> graduation?
> > >
> > > FWIW, https://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-graduation
> > > seems to be read and followed by most graduating projects.
>
> Ah, maybe we have identified the breakdown. Perhaps they skip
> the Incubator documentation.
>
> I reckon that we need to link in both directions.
>
Agreed: linking from #requesting-podling to the incubator.a.o page
documenting the overall process from the podling's POV would make sense.
Go for it :)
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Re: all podlings please update and maintain project metadata
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> > Shane Curcuru wrote:
> >>
> >> Separately, I'd love to hear any comments about how this kind of
> >> requirement is expressed in the graduation guides. I.e. is it clear,
> >> even to normal humans (i.e. 99.99% of the world who are not Incubator
> >> experts) that these things are required of TLPs before (and after)
> >> graduation?
> >
> > FWIW, https://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-graduation
> > seems to be read and followed by most graduating projects.
Ah, maybe we have identified the breakdown. Perhaps they skip
the Incubator documentation.
I reckon that we need to link in both directions.
> Guess we need to give this a little love:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#project-first-steps
> and point to the new docs (which are fantastic btw)
Yes.
We already do point to the infra docs.
-David
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Re: all podlings please update and maintain project metadata
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
> Shane Curcuru wrote on Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 08:57:55 -0400:
>> Separately, I'd love to hear any comments about how this kind of
>> requirement is expressed in the graduation guides. I.e. is it clear,
>> even to normal humans (i.e. 99.99% of the world who are not Incubator
>> experts) that these things are required of TLPs before (and after)
>> graduation?
>
> FWIW, https://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-graduation
> seems to be read and followed by most graduating projects.
Guess we need to give this a little love:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#project-first-steps
and point to the new docs (which are fantastic btw)
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Re: all podlings please update and maintain project metadata
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Shane Curcuru wrote on Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 08:57:55 -0400:
> Separately, I'd love to hear any comments about how this kind of
> requirement is expressed in the graduation guides. I.e. is it clear,
> even to normal humans (i.e. 99.99% of the world who are not Incubator
> experts) that these things are required of TLPs before (and after)
> graduation?
FWIW, https://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#requesting-graduation
seems to be read and followed by most graduating projects.
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Re: all podlings please update and maintain project metadata
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Similarly, it is a *requirement* that TLPs keep their DOAP files and
other aspects of their project websites updated. So it's a really good
thing for podlings to get in this habit before graduation.
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
Separately, I'd love to hear any comments about how this kind of
requirement is expressed in the graduation guides. I.e. is it clear,
even to normal humans (i.e. 99.99% of the world who are not Incubator
experts) that these things are required of TLPs before (and after)
graduation?
- Shane
On 3/18/2013 10:23 PM, David Crossley wrote:
> Please maintain your incubation metadata. This then enables
> other volunteers to have information at their fingertips to
> assist them to assist others. There are also some automated
> processes that utilise this metadata, as also happens when
> you become a Top-Level Project (TLP).
>
> Please see previous email below.
>
> -David
>
> David Crossley wrote:
>>
>> Would all podlings please update and maintain your project metadata.
>> It is up to your project members.
>>
>> This metadata is used by various processes to assist with managing
>> the many projects in the Incubator. Please do not expect other
>> people to do it for you. This will not scale, either now or when
>> you are TLPs.
>>
>> Recently Clutch is detecting that there are many such issues [1].
>> The notes in that table try to assist by linking to some relevant
>> documentation.
>>
>> Incoming projects need to add their details to content/podlings.xml
>> Incubating projects need to keep that content up-to-date.
>> Outgoing projects need to adjust that content as they go through the
>> graduation phases.
>>
>> This then assists all volunteers to assist all volunteers.
>>
>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other
>>
>> -David
>
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