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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> on 2015/05/05 18:42:36 UTC
survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
I'm considering investigating gradle, but have discovered that it's not
even available for debian wheezy(nor in backports). So, I currently
interested in what other people have available for installation.
In jessie, the version of gradle is 1.5.
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
Posted by Richard Siddall <ri...@elirion.net>.
FWIW, gradle is in Chocolatey
(https://chocolatey.org/packages?q=gradle), as is groovy
(https://chocolatey.org/packages?q=groovy), but neither is in NuGet.
Richard.
Richard Siddall wrote:
> Looking at our local mirror server, gradle is not available in CentOS 5,
> 6, or 7, or Fedora Core 21. (I assume the same is true of RedHat
> Enterprise Linux and the other distros derived from it.)
>
> CentOS 7 and Fedora Core 21 have (modified versions of) groovy 1.8.9.
> Earlier versions of CentOS do not have groovy.
>
> I did not look at EPEL or RPMForge as people have strongly held
> preferences about the add-on repos they will use, so requiring them to
> download packages from a repo they detest to build OFBiz will result in
> them going and looking at competing ERP systems.
>
> Last time I installed gradle, I used GVM, which will also install
> groovy: http://gvmtool.net/
>
> Richard.
>
> Adam Heath wrote:
>> Gradle has to be installed before building ofbiz, so you couldn't use
>> gradle to install gradle. And I'd prefer not to embed it directly. And
>> custom compiling every single library that one uses day to day isn't
>> scalable either(let's ignore gentoo). And some like to only install
>> what is available in the stable release of whatever OS they are using.
>> Hence the question.
>>
>> On 05/06/2015 05:25 AM, Michael Brohl wrote:
>>> Hi Adam,
>>>
>>> I don't know much about Gradle and maybe I misunderstand the survey,
>>> but isn't it platform independent and can be installed in the desired
>>> version on every Java supported system?
>>> (http://gradle.org/docs/current/userguide/installation.html)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Michael Brohl
>>> ecomify GmbH
>>> www.ecomify.de
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 05.05.15 um 18:42 schrieb Adam Heath:
>>>> I'm considering investigating gradle, but have discovered that it's
>>>> not even available for debian wheezy(nor in backports). So, I
>>>> currently interested in what other people have available for
>>>> installation.
>>>>
>>>> In jessie, the version of gradle is 1.5.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
Posted by Richard Siddall <ri...@elirion.net>.
Looking at our local mirror server, gradle is not available in CentOS 5,
6, or 7, or Fedora Core 21. (I assume the same is true of RedHat
Enterprise Linux and the other distros derived from it.)
CentOS 7 and Fedora Core 21 have (modified versions of) groovy 1.8.9.
Earlier versions of CentOS do not have groovy.
I did not look at EPEL or RPMForge as people have strongly held
preferences about the add-on repos they will use, so requiring them to
download packages from a repo they detest to build OFBiz will result in
them going and looking at competing ERP systems.
Last time I installed gradle, I used GVM, which will also install
groovy: http://gvmtool.net/
Richard.
Adam Heath wrote:
> Gradle has to be installed before building ofbiz, so you couldn't use
> gradle to install gradle. And I'd prefer not to embed it directly. And
> custom compiling every single library that one uses day to day isn't
> scalable either(let's ignore gentoo). And some like to only install
> what is available in the stable release of whatever OS they are using.
> Hence the question.
>
> On 05/06/2015 05:25 AM, Michael Brohl wrote:
>> Hi Adam,
>>
>> I don't know much about Gradle and maybe I misunderstand the survey,
>> but isn't it platform independent and can be installed in the desired
>> version on every Java supported system?
>> (http://gradle.org/docs/current/userguide/installation.html)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael Brohl
>> ecomify GmbH
>> www.ecomify.de
>>
>>
>> Am 05.05.15 um 18:42 schrieb Adam Heath:
>>> I'm considering investigating gradle, but have discovered that it's
>>> not even available for debian wheezy(nor in backports). So, I
>>> currently interested in what other people have available for
>>> installation.
>>>
>>> In jessie, the version of gradle is 1.5.
>>
>>
>
>
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxsystems.com>.
On May 6, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
> At the top directory of your unpacked source, you need to run the command:
> gradle
> This sets up the Gradle wrapper and from then on you just need the `gradlew` command instead of `gradle`.
> ==========================
again from Groovy readme:
=====================
To build everything using Gradle:
gradlew clean dist
Note: The gradlew command automatically downloads the correct Gradle version if needed, you do not need to download it first.
=====================
Jacopo
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
Posted by Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>.
On 05/06/2015 12:10 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> On May 6, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> wrote:
>
>> That's bad too.
> By the way, Adam, you're as bitter as an old spinster today! :-)
Just express issues we've had interacting with clients. It's all about
placing blame. If I have to download source and compile myself, I have
to take on that mantle. However, if the OS has done it, I can shift the
target away from me.
But "placing blame" sounds bad. So, let's rephrase.
Random upstream pre-compiling source, may not fully understand the
policies required by $chosen_OS at $company. So, use the version of
$upstream already available for $chosen_OS. This is called using a
support contract.
I thought this was just a simple question when I asked it initially. :(
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxsystems.com>.
On May 6, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> wrote:
> That's bad too.
By the way, Adam, you're as bitter as an old spinster today! :-)
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
Posted by Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>.
On 05/06/2015 10:34 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> On May 6, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 05/06/2015 09:52 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>> On May 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gradle has to be installed before building ofbiz, so you couldn't use gradle to install gradle. And I'd prefer not to embed it directly.
>>> The Groovy project has some scripts for this:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-groovy/blob/master/gradlew
>> To restate, the reason I don't want maven, gradle, or ant embedded into ofbiz, is that there has been, um, issues, when it comes to using eclipse, and other tools, that *also* embed ant.
>>
>> On this same vein, we don't embed the approved version of the jdk into ofbiz either.
>>
>> With maven, gradle, and ivy, and more modern systems, the target has been to move away from embedding dependencies. It's even a best practice from ASF, as it then reduces the load on mirrors. So, take it to the logical conclusion, and don't embed the build system either.
> Groovy doesn't embed gradle, this is the reason I was pointing you to that example.
>
> Here are the notes from Groovy:
>
> ==========================
> At the top directory of your unpacked source, you need to run the command:
> gradle
> This sets up the Gradle wrapper and from then on you just need the `gradlew` command instead of `gradle`.
> ==========================
That's bad too. So when the embedded script/docs in the checkout become
invalid, due to the external location having been changed(aka, a project
has to move away from codehaus, because they are out of money), then all
previous versions that have already shipped will no longer work.
These kind of docs should be listed separate along side the actual
download/checkout process.
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxsystems.com>.
On May 6, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 05/06/2015 09:52 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> On May 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gradle has to be installed before building ofbiz, so you couldn't use gradle to install gradle. And I'd prefer not to embed it directly.
>> The Groovy project has some scripts for this:
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-groovy/blob/master/gradlew
>
> To restate, the reason I don't want maven, gradle, or ant embedded into ofbiz, is that there has been, um, issues, when it comes to using eclipse, and other tools, that *also* embed ant.
>
> On this same vein, we don't embed the approved version of the jdk into ofbiz either.
>
> With maven, gradle, and ivy, and more modern systems, the target has been to move away from embedding dependencies. It's even a best practice from ASF, as it then reduces the load on mirrors. So, take it to the logical conclusion, and don't embed the build system either.
Groovy doesn't embed gradle, this is the reason I was pointing you to that example.
Here are the notes from Groovy:
==========================
At the top directory of your unpacked source, you need to run the command:
gradle
This sets up the Gradle wrapper and from then on you just need the `gradlew` command instead of `gradle`.
==========================
I hope it helps,
Jacopo
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
Posted by Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>.
apt-get install gradle
yum install gradle
emerge gradle
Let's assume downloading random things that haven't been vetted against
one's OS of choice is frowned upon by the powers that be at a particular
company. It's a matter of not having to understand each and every
single downloadable software package, and assuming that the OS developer
can integrate it more properly.
On 05/06/2015 10:19 AM, Taher Alkhateeb wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> Maybe I do not understand your point exactly, but I find it very trivial to install gradle with the following steps on _any_ platform:
>
> 1) Download the latest binary gradle release from their website. The current version is 2.4
> 2) Set $JAVA_HOME to the correct java version on your computer
> 3) add $GRADLE_HOME/bin to your path
> and enjoy!
>
> I hardly see a problem in lack of gradle release as a Debian package. It definitely exists for Ubuntu and Linux Mint which combined takes most of the linux users base. Again maybe I missed something in the thread?
>
> Taher Alkhateeb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Adam Heath" <do...@brainfood.com>
> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 May, 2015 5:57:56 PM
> Subject: Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
>
>
>
> On 05/06/2015 09:52 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> On May 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gradle has to be installed before building ofbiz, so you couldn't use gradle to install gradle. And I'd prefer not to embed it directly.
>> The Groovy project has some scripts for this:
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-groovy/blob/master/gradlew
> To restate, the reason I don't want maven, gradle, or ant embedded into
> ofbiz, is that there has been, um, issues, when it comes to using
> eclipse, and other tools, that *also* embed ant.
>
> On this same vein, we don't embed the approved version of the jdk into
> ofbiz either.
>
> With maven, gradle, and ivy, and more modern systems, the target has
> been to move away from embedding dependencies. It's even a best
> practice from ASF, as it then reduces the load on mirrors. So, take it
> to the logical conclusion, and don't embed the build system either.
>
>
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your
systems?
Posted by Taher Alkhateeb <sl...@gmail.com>.
Hi Adam,
Maybe I do not understand your point exactly, but I find it very trivial to install gradle with the following steps on _any_ platform:
1) Download the latest binary gradle release from their website. The current version is 2.4
2) Set $JAVA_HOME to the correct java version on your computer
3) add $GRADLE_HOME/bin to your path
and enjoy!
I hardly see a problem in lack of gradle release as a Debian package. It definitely exists for Ubuntu and Linux Mint which combined takes most of the linux users base. Again maybe I missed something in the thread?
Taher Alkhateeb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Heath" <do...@brainfood.com>
To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, 6 May, 2015 5:57:56 PM
Subject: Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
On 05/06/2015 09:52 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> On May 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> wrote:
>
>> Gradle has to be installed before building ofbiz, so you couldn't use gradle to install gradle. And I'd prefer not to embed it directly.
> The Groovy project has some scripts for this:
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-groovy/blob/master/gradlew
To restate, the reason I don't want maven, gradle, or ant embedded into
ofbiz, is that there has been, um, issues, when it comes to using
eclipse, and other tools, that *also* embed ant.
On this same vein, we don't embed the approved version of the jdk into
ofbiz either.
With maven, gradle, and ivy, and more modern systems, the target has
been to move away from embedding dependencies. It's even a best
practice from ASF, as it then reduces the load on mirrors. So, take it
to the logical conclusion, and don't embed the build system either.
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
Posted by Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>.
On 05/06/2015 09:52 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> On May 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> wrote:
>
>> Gradle has to be installed before building ofbiz, so you couldn't use gradle to install gradle. And I'd prefer not to embed it directly.
> The Groovy project has some scripts for this:
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-groovy/blob/master/gradlew
To restate, the reason I don't want maven, gradle, or ant embedded into
ofbiz, is that there has been, um, issues, when it comes to using
eclipse, and other tools, that *also* embed ant.
On this same vein, we don't embed the approved version of the jdk into
ofbiz either.
With maven, gradle, and ivy, and more modern systems, the target has
been to move away from embedding dependencies. It's even a best
practice from ASF, as it then reduces the load on mirrors. So, take it
to the logical conclusion, and don't embed the build system either.
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
Posted by Richard Siddall <ri...@elirion.net>.
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201505.mbox/browser
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> I was asking about Windows ;)
>
> Jacques
>
> Le 07/05/2015 09:17, Ejaz Ahmed a écrit :
>> I use gvmtools to install my required version of gradle and it works
>> on any Linux/Unix platform.
>>
>> Regards:
>>
>> Ejaz Ahmed
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 08:50:01 +0200
>>> From: jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com
>>> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your
>>> systems?
>>>
>>> Le 06/05/2015 19:54, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>>>> Seems this not get through, forwarding...
>>>>
>>> Again w/o the link, I can't see what else could prevent this message
>>> to reach the ML :/
>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> Le 06/05/2015 17:00, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>>>>> Great to see that in the ASF repo, but what about Windows?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 06/05/2015 16:52, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>>>>>> On May 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gradle has to be installed before building ofbiz, so you couldn't
>>>>>>> use gradle to install gradle. And I'd prefer not to embed it
>>>>>>> directly.
>>>>>> The Groovy project has some scripts for this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>
>>
>
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your
systems?
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
I was asking about Windows ;)
Jacques
Le 07/05/2015 09:17, Ejaz Ahmed a écrit :
> I use gvmtools to install my required version of gradle and it works on any Linux/Unix platform.
>
> Regards:
>
> Ejaz Ahmed
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 08:50:01 +0200
>> From: jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com
>> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
>>
>> Le 06/05/2015 19:54, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>>> Seems this not get through, forwarding...
>>>
>> Again w/o the link, I can't see what else could prevent this message to reach the ML :/
>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> Le 06/05/2015 17:00, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>>>> Great to see that in the ASF repo, but what about Windows?
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> Le 06/05/2015 16:52, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>>>>> On May 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gradle has to be installed before building ofbiz, so you couldn't use gradle to install gradle. And I'd prefer not to embed it directly.
>>>>> The Groovy project has some scripts for this:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>
RE: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
Posted by Ejaz Ahmed <ej...@outlook.com>.
I use gvmtools to install my required version of gradle and it works on any Linux/Unix platform.
Regards:
Ejaz Ahmed
> Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 08:50:01 +0200
> From: jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com
> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
>
> Le 06/05/2015 19:54, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
> > Seems this not get through, forwarding...
> >
> Again w/o the link, I can't see what else could prevent this message to reach the ML :/
>
> > Jacques
> >
> > Le 06/05/2015 17:00, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
> >> Great to see that in the ASF repo, but what about Windows?
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >> Le 06/05/2015 16:52, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
> >>> On May 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Gradle has to be installed before building ofbiz, so you couldn't use gradle to install gradle. And I'd prefer not to embed it directly.
> >>> The Groovy project has some scripts for this:
> >>>
> >>> Jacopo
> >>>
> >>
> >
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your
systems?
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Le 06/05/2015 19:54, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
> Seems this not get through, forwarding...
>
Again w/o the link, I can't see what else could prevent this message to reach the ML :/
> Jacques
>
> Le 06/05/2015 17:00, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>> Great to see that in the ASF repo, but what about Windows?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> Le 06/05/2015 16:52, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
>>> On May 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gradle has to be installed before building ofbiz, so you couldn't use gradle to install gradle. And I'd prefer not to embed it directly.
>>> The Groovy project has some scripts for this:
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>
>
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxsystems.com>.
On May 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com> wrote:
> Gradle has to be installed before building ofbiz, so you couldn't use gradle to install gradle. And I'd prefer not to embed it directly.
The Groovy project has some scripts for this:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-groovy/blob/master/gradlew
Jacopo
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
Posted by Adam Heath <do...@brainfood.com>.
Gradle has to be installed before building ofbiz, so you couldn't use
gradle to install gradle. And I'd prefer not to embed it directly. And
custom compiling every single library that one uses day to day isn't
scalable either(let's ignore gentoo). And some like to only install
what is available in the stable release of whatever OS they are using.
Hence the question.
On 05/06/2015 05:25 AM, Michael Brohl wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> I don't know much about Gradle and maybe I misunderstand the survey,
> but isn't it platform independent and can be installed in the desired
> version on every Java supported system?
> (http://gradle.org/docs/current/userguide/installation.html)
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Brohl
> ecomify GmbH
> www.ecomify.de
>
>
> Am 05.05.15 um 18:42 schrieb Adam Heath:
>> I'm considering investigating gradle, but have discovered that it's
>> not even available for debian wheezy(nor in backports). So, I
>> currently interested in what other people have available for
>> installation.
>>
>> In jessie, the version of gradle is 1.5.
>
>
Re: survey: what version(s) of gradle are available on your systems?
Posted by Michael Brohl <mi...@ecomify.de>.
Hi Adam,
I don't know much about Gradle and maybe I misunderstand the survey, but
isn't it platform independent and can be installed in the desired
version on every Java supported system?
(http://gradle.org/docs/current/userguide/installation.html)
Regards,
Michael Brohl
ecomify GmbH
www.ecomify.de
Am 05.05.15 um 18:42 schrieb Adam Heath:
> I'm considering investigating gradle, but have discovered that it's
> not even available for debian wheezy(nor in backports). So, I
> currently interested in what other people have available for
> installation.
>
> In jessie, the version of gradle is 1.5.