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[UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Hi,
from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo 3.3
update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update service
working at the end of this week.
As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if possible,
I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages" [1], but
I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.
Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update functionality
should direct the user for these languages.
Arabic -> ?
Chinese (simplified) -> ?
Chinese (traditional) -> ?
Czech -> ?
Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
English (US) -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
Galician -> ?
German -> ?
Hungarian -> ?
Italian -> http://openoffice.org/it/download
Japanese -> http://www.openoffice.org/ja/download/
Portuguese (Brazilian) -> ?
Russian -> http://www.openoffice.org/ru/about-downloads.html
Spanish -> http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar/
[1] http://ooo-dev.markmail.org/thread/7ydafrdrqxpctsy3
Thanks in advance for your help, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On 14.06.2012 22:19, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Am 06/14/2012 09:43 AM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>
>
> When I call again the Check Update funtion in OOo 3.3.0 I get to the main
> download page with the following URL:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/?utm_source=OOo3_3&utm_medium=Client&utm_campaign=Upgrade
>
>
> No indication about "de" in the URL and I don't pointed to the German main page.
>
> However, in SVN I see this:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/de/?utm_source=OOo3_3_de&utm_medium=Client&utm_campaign=Upgrade
>
>
> Is there something wrong or do I have overlooked a byte?
>
I also do not know where the URL without the language code is coming from.
Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 06/14/2012 09:43 AM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:
> Hi,
>
> On 12.06.2012 09:34, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was a little bit late - I was caught by some hacking to solve
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OOo 3.3 Update Service is now active for: - Italian since Tuesday
>>>>>> 10:00 (GMT+2) - Spanish and Japanese since Thurday 10:00 (GMT+2) -
>>>>>> English (US) since Friday 11:00 (GMT+2)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We are in a good shape with our OOo 3.3 update service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus, I will add tomorrow morning 09:30 (GMT+2) - Chinese (simplified)
>>>>> with download page http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>
>>>> Maybe better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
>>>>
>>>> That would give them more context, including the translation of the AOO
>>>> 3.4 announcement.
>>>>
>>>>> - Chinese (traditional) with http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>
>>>> Same here, maybe better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
>>>>
>>>>> - Dutch with http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html - French
>>>>> with
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/ - German with
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/de/
>>>>
>>>> So this is a question for others as well. We can either:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Point the user to the download page specifically, which is often in
>>>> English, rather than NL
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> 2) Point the user to the NL page where available, provided it has a
>>>> prominent download link.
>>>>
>>>> Advantage of #1 is it eliminates an extra mouse click. Advantage of
>>>> #2 is
>>>> it gives the user additional NL context, including the AOO 3.4
>>>> announcement and other material. So #2 is probably easier for someone
>>>> with less English language skills.
>>>
>>> I tend to agree with you.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, #2 is not a real advantage (I'm only speak for the German
>>> webpage). The main page is in German, yes, but right the next click
>>> on the
>>> big donwload button brings the user to an English-speaking webpage.
>>>
>>> However, I would say that the "http://www.openoffice.org/de/" link
>>> can be
>>> indeed chosen. Just because this will give the German main page more
>>> attention than before. And - who knows - maybe also more volunteers
>>> willing
>>> to work on the German webpages.
>>>
>>>>> I will do so, if nobody raises any objections.
>>
>> I have activated OOo 3.3 update for: - Chinese (simplified) with download
>> page http://www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/ - Chinese (traditional) with
>> http://www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/ - Dutch with
>> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html - French with
>> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/ - German with
>> http://www.openoffice.org/de/
When I call again the Check Update funtion in OOo 3.3.0 I get to the
main download page with the following URL:
http://www.openoffice.org/download/?utm_source=OOo3_3&utm_medium=Client&utm_campaign=Upgrade
No indication about "de" in the URL and I don't pointed to the German
main page.
However, in SVN I see this:
http://www.openoffice.org/de/?utm_source=OOo3_3_de&utm_medium=Client&utm_campaign=Upgrade
Is there something wrong or do I have overlooked a byte?
Thanks
Marcus
>>>>> I am proposing to add the remaining languages on Thursday morning
>>>>> 09:30 (GMT+2). These are: - Arabic - Czech - Galician - Hungarian -
>>>>> Portuguese (Brazilian)
>>
>> plus Russian - sorry, just forgotten
>>
>> The above languages will follow on Thursday, if nobody objects.
>>
>
> Arabic, Czech, Galician, Hungarian, Portuguese (Brazilian) and Russian
> have been
> activated for the OOo 3.3 update service. All users of these languages are
> directed to http://www.openoffice.org/download
>
>>>>>
>>>>> If there are any localized download pages for the above languages,
>>>>> please let me know - I can then update the corresponding information.
>>>>>
>>
>> Please provide localized download pages, if possible.
>
> Let me know, if the one or the other localized download page is available.
>
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On 12.06.2012 09:34, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> I was a little bit late - I was caught by some hacking to solve
>>>>> issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> OOo 3.3 Update Service is now active for: - Italian since Tuesday
>>>>> 10:00 (GMT+2) - Spanish and Japanese since Thurday 10:00 (GMT+2) -
>>>>> English (US) since Friday 11:00 (GMT+2)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are in a good shape with our OOo 3.3 update service.
>>>>
>>>> Thus, I will add tomorrow morning 09:30 (GMT+2) - Chinese (simplified)
>>>> with download page http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>
>>> Maybe better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
>>>
>>> That would give them more context, including the translation of the AOO
>>> 3.4 announcement.
>>>
>>>> - Chinese (traditional) with http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>
>>> Same here, maybe better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
>>>
>>>> - Dutch with http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html - French with
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/ - German with
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>
>>> I wonder if better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/de/
>>>
>>> So this is a question for others as well. We can either:
>>>
>>> 1) Point the user to the download page specifically, which is often in
>>> English, rather than NL
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> 2) Point the user to the NL page where available, provided it has a
>>> prominent download link.
>>>
>>> Advantage of #1 is it eliminates an extra mouse click. Advantage of #2 is
>>> it gives the user additional NL context, including the AOO 3.4
>>> announcement and other material. So #2 is probably easier for someone
>>> with less English language skills.
>>
>> I tend to agree with you.
>>
>> Unfortunately, #2 is not a real advantage (I'm only speak for the German
>> webpage). The main page is in German, yes, but right the next click on the
>> big donwload button brings the user to an English-speaking webpage.
>>
>> However, I would say that the "http://www.openoffice.org/de/" link can be
>> indeed chosen. Just because this will give the German main page more
>> attention than before. And - who knows - maybe also more volunteers willing
>> to work on the German webpages.
>>
>>>> I will do so, if nobody raises any objections.
>
> I have activated OOo 3.3 update for: - Chinese (simplified) with download
> page http://www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/ - Chinese (traditional) with
> http://www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/ - Dutch with
> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html - French with
> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/ - German with
> http://www.openoffice.org/de/
>
>>>>
>>>> I am proposing to add the remaining languages on Thursday morning
>>>> 09:30 (GMT+2). These are: - Arabic - Czech - Galician - Hungarian -
>>>> Portuguese (Brazilian)
>
> plus Russian - sorry, just forgotten
>
> The above languages will follow on Thursday, if nobody objects.
>
Arabic, Czech, Galician, Hungarian, Portuguese (Brazilian) and Russian have been
activated for the OOo 3.3 update service. All users of these languages are
directed to http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>
>>>> If there are any localized download pages for the above languages,
>>>> please let me know - I can then update the corresponding information.
>>>>
>
> Please provide localized download pages, if possible.
Let me know, if the one or the other localized download page is available.
Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi
On 11.06.2012 22:42, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Am 06/11/2012 05:52 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example we could add US, that is the fourth country by daily visits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, I will add en-US tomorrow morning 10:00 (GMT+2).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was a little bit late - I was caught by some hacking to solve issues.
>>>>
>>>> OOo 3.3 Update Service is now active for:
>>>> - Italian since Tuesday 10:00 (GMT+2)
>>>> - Spanish and Japanese since Thurday 10:00 (GMT+2)
>>>> - English (US) since Friday 11:00 (GMT+2)
>>>>
>>>
>>> We are in a good shape with our OOo 3.3 update service.
>>>
>>> Thus, I will add tomorrow morning 09:30 (GMT+2)
>>> - Chinese (simplified) with download page http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>
>> Maybe better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
>>
>> That would give them more context, including the translation of the
>> AOO 3.4 announcement.
>>
>>> - Chinese (traditional) with http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>
>> Same here, maybe better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
>>
>>> - Dutch with http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>>> - French with http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>>> - German with http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>
>> I wonder if better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/de/
>>
>> So this is a question for others as well. We can either:
>>
>> 1) Point the user to the download page specifically, which is often in
>> English, rather than NL
>>
>> or
>>
>> 2) Point the user to the NL page where available, provided it has a
>> prominent download link.
>>
>> Advantage of #1 is it eliminates an extra mouse click. Advantage of
>> #2 is it gives the user additional NL context, including the AOO 3.4
>> announcement and other material. So #2 is probably easier for someone
>> with less English language skills.
>
> I tend to agree with you.
>
> Unfortunately, #2 is not a real advantage (I'm only speak for the German
> webpage). The main page is in German, yes, but right the next click on the big
> donwload button brings the user to an English-speaking webpage.
>
> However, I would say that the "http://www.openoffice.org/de/" link can be indeed
> chosen. Just because this will give the German main page more attention than
> before. And - who knows - maybe also more volunteers willing to work on the
> German webpages.
>
>>> I will do so, if nobody raises any objections.
I have activated OOo 3.3 update for:
- Chinese (simplified) with download page http://www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
- Chinese (traditional) with http://www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
- Dutch with http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
- French with http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
- German with http://www.openoffice.org/de/
>>>
>>> I am proposing to add the remaining languages on Thursday morning 09:30
>>> (GMT+2). These are:
>>> - Arabic
>>> - Czech
>>> - Galician
>>> - Hungarian
>>> - Portuguese (Brazilian)
plus Russian - sorry, just forgotten
The above languages will follow on Thursday, if nobody objects.
>>>
>>> If there are any localized download pages for the above languages, please
>>> let me know - I can then update the corresponding information.
>>>
Please provide localized download pages, if possible.
Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 06/11/2012 05:52 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
> <or...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 08.06.2012 11:06, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Question for discussion:
>>>>>>> Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the
>>>>>>> languages
>>>>>>> for which we have no localized download page?
>>>>>>> orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently
>>>>>>> see no
>>>>>>> other solution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications
>>>>>> over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL
>>>>>> download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to
>>>>>> upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if
>>>>>> there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English
>>>>>> page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add
>>>>>> support for that,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I just checked the traffic, I think we could add other countries by
>>>>> now, at least from an infrastructure perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example we could add US, that is the fourth country by daily visits.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I will add en-US tomorrow morning 10:00 (GMT+2).
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was a little bit late - I was caught by some hacking to solve issues.
>>>
>>> OOo 3.3 Update Service is now active for:
>>> - Italian since Tuesday 10:00 (GMT+2)
>>> - Spanish and Japanese since Thurday 10:00 (GMT+2)
>>> - English (US) since Friday 11:00 (GMT+2)
>>>
>>
>> We are in a good shape with our OOo 3.3 update service.
>>
>> Thus, I will add tomorrow morning 09:30 (GMT+2)
>> - Chinese (simplified) with download page http://www.openoffice.org/download
>
> Maybe better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
>
> That would give them more context, including the translation of the
> AOO 3.4 announcement.
>
>> - Chinese (traditional) with http://www.openoffice.org/download
>
> Same here, maybe better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
>
>> - Dutch with http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>> - French with http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>> - German with http://www.openoffice.org/download
>
> I wonder if better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/de/
>
> So this is a question for others as well. We can either:
>
> 1) Point the user to the download page specifically, which is often in
> English, rather than NL
>
> or
>
> 2) Point the user to the NL page where available, provided it has a
> prominent download link.
>
> Advantage of #1 is it eliminates an extra mouse click. Advantage of
> #2 is it gives the user additional NL context, including the AOO 3.4
> announcement and other material. So #2 is probably easier for someone
> with less English language skills.
I tend to agree with you.
Unfortunately, #2 is not a real advantage (I'm only speak for the German
webpage). The main page is in German, yes, but right the next click on
the big donwload button brings the user to an English-speaking webpage.
However, I would say that the "http://www.openoffice.org/de/" link can
be indeed chosen. Just because this will give the German main page more
attention than before. And - who knows - maybe also more volunteers
willing to work on the German webpages.
Marcus
>> I will do so, if nobody raises any objections.
>>
>> I am proposing to add the remaining languages on Thursday morning 09:30
>> (GMT+2). These are:
>> - Arabic
>> - Czech
>> - Galician
>> - Hungarian
>> - Portuguese (Brazilian)
>>
>> If there are any localized download pages for the above languages, please
>> let me know - I can then update the corresponding information.
>>
>>
>> Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
<or...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 08.06.2012 11:06, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Question for discussion:
>>>>>> Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the
>>>>>> languages
>>>>>> for which we have no localized download page?
>>>>>> orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently
>>>>>> see no
>>>>>> other solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications
>>>>> over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL
>>>>> download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to
>>>>> upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if
>>>>> there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English
>>>>> page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add
>>>>> support for that,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just checked the traffic, I think we could add other countries by
>>>> now, at least from an infrastructure perspective.
>>>>
>>>> For example we could add US, that is the fourth country by daily visits.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, I will add en-US tomorrow morning 10:00 (GMT+2).
>>>
>>
>> I was a little bit late - I was caught by some hacking to solve issues.
>>
>> OOo 3.3 Update Service is now active for:
>> - Italian since Tuesday 10:00 (GMT+2)
>> - Spanish and Japanese since Thurday 10:00 (GMT+2)
>> - English (US) since Friday 11:00 (GMT+2)
>>
>
> We are in a good shape with our OOo 3.3 update service.
>
> Thus, I will add tomorrow morning 09:30 (GMT+2)
> - Chinese (simplified) with download page http://www.openoffice.org/download
Maybe better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
That would give them more context, including the translation of the
AOO 3.4 announcement.
> - Chinese (traditional) with http://www.openoffice.org/download
Same here, maybe better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
> - Dutch with http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
> - French with http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
> - German with http://www.openoffice.org/download
I wonder if better would be: http://www.openoffice.org/de/
So this is a question for others as well. We can either:
1) Point the user to the download page specifically, which is often in
English, rather than NL
or
2) Point the user to the NL page where available, provided it has a
prominent download link.
Advantage of #1 is it eliminates an extra mouse click. Advantage of
#2 is it gives the user additional NL context, including the AOO 3.4
announcement and other material. So #2 is probably easier for someone
with less English language skills.
-Rob
> I will do so, if nobody raises any objections.
>
> I am proposing to add the remaining languages on Thursday morning 09:30
> (GMT+2). These are:
> - Arabic
> - Czech
> - Galician
> - Hungarian
> - Portuguese (Brazilian)
>
> If there are any localized download pages for the above languages, please
> let me know - I can then update the corresponding information.
>
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Roberto Galoppini <rg...@geek.net>.
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
<or...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 08.06.2012 11:06, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Question for discussion:
>>>>>> Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the
>>>>>> languages
>>>>>> for which we have no localized download page?
>>>>>> orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently
>>>>>> see no
>>>>>> other solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications
>>>>> over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL
>>>>> download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to
>>>>> upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if
>>>>> there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English
>>>>> page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add
>>>>> support for that,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just checked the traffic, I think we could add other countries by
>>>> now, at least from an infrastructure perspective.
>>>>
>>>> For example we could add US, that is the fourth country by daily visits.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, I will add en-US tomorrow morning 10:00 (GMT+2).
>>>
>>
>> I was a little bit late - I was caught by some hacking to solve issues.
>>
>> OOo 3.3 Update Service is now active for:
>> - Italian since Tuesday 10:00 (GMT+2)
>> - Spanish and Japanese since Thurday 10:00 (GMT+2)
>> - English (US) since Friday 11:00 (GMT+2)
>>
>
> We are in a good shape with our OOo 3.3 update service.
>
> Thus, I will add tomorrow morning 09:30 (GMT+2)
> - Chinese (simplified) with download page http://www.openoffice.org/download
> - Chinese (traditional) with http://www.openoffice.org/download
> - Dutch with http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
> - French with http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
> - German with http://www.openoffice.org/download
> I will do so, if nobody raises any objections.
No problem on SourceForge side, we had no issue to handle the
extra-traffic so far, and we are in good shape to manage those too.
Roberto
> I am proposing to add the remaining languages on Thursday morning 09:30
> (GMT+2). These are:
> - Arabic
> - Czech
> - Galician
> - Hungarian
> - Portuguese (Brazilian)
>
> If there are any localized download pages for the above languages, please
> let me know - I can then update the corresponding information.
>
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
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Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On 08.06.2012 11:06, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Question for discussion:
>>>>> Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the languages
>>>>> for which we have no localized download page?
>>>>> orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently see no
>>>>> other solution.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications
>>>> over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL
>>>> download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to
>>>> upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if
>>>> there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English
>>>> page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add
>>>> support for that,
>>>
>>> I just checked the traffic, I think we could add other countries by
>>> now, at least from an infrastructure perspective.
>>>
>>> For example we could add US, that is the fourth country by daily visits.
>>>
>>
>> Ok, I will add en-US tomorrow morning 10:00 (GMT+2).
>>
>
> I was a little bit late - I was caught by some hacking to solve issues.
>
> OOo 3.3 Update Service is now active for:
> - Italian since Tuesday 10:00 (GMT+2)
> - Spanish and Japanese since Thurday 10:00 (GMT+2)
> - English (US) since Friday 11:00 (GMT+2)
>
We are in a good shape with our OOo 3.3 update service.
Thus, I will add tomorrow morning 09:30 (GMT+2)
- Chinese (simplified) with download page http://www.openoffice.org/download
- Chinese (traditional) with http://www.openoffice.org/download
- Dutch with http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
- French with http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
- German with http://www.openoffice.org/download
I will do so, if nobody raises any objections.
I am proposing to add the remaining languages on Thursday morning 09:30 (GMT+2).
These are:
- Arabic
- Czech
- Galician
- Hungarian
- Portuguese (Brazilian)
If there are any localized download pages for the above languages, please let me
know - I can then update the corresponding information.
Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On 07.06.2012 17:10, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 07.06.2012 15:12, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Rob Weir<ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo
>>>>>> 3.3 update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update
>>>>>> service working at the end of this week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if
>>>>>> possible, I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
>>>>>> Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages"
>>>>>> [1], but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update
>>>>>> functionality should direct the user for these languages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arabic -> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chinese (simplified) -> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chinese (traditional) -> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Czech -> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> English (US) -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>>>
>>>>>> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Galician -> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> German -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>>
>>>>> On the mainpage "http://www.openoffice.org/de/" there is only one big link
>>>>> that
>>>>> points to the central download webpage.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, there are still some errors, so I'll update the site a bit to
>>>>> make it
>>>>> more Apache-like.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thx for the feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Thus, for German we will direct the user to English (US) download page.
>>>>
>>>> Question for discussion:
>>>> Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the languages
>>>> for which we have no localized download page?
>>>> orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently see no
>>>> other solution.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications
>>> over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL
>>> download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to
>>> upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if
>>> there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English
>>> page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add
>>> support for that,
>>
>> I just checked the traffic, I think we could add other countries by
>> now, at least from an infrastructure perspective.
>>
>> For example we could add US, that is the fourth country by daily visits.
>>
>
> Ok, I will add en-US tomorrow morning 10:00 (GMT+2).
>
I was a little bit late - I was caught by some hacking to solve issues.
OOo 3.3 Update Service is now active for:
- Italian since Tuesday 10:00 (GMT+2)
- Spanish and Japanese since Thurday 10:00 (GMT+2)
- English (US) since Friday 11:00 (GMT+2)
Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On 07.06.2012 15:12, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Rob Weir<ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo
>>>>> 3.3 update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update
>>>>> service working at the end of this week.
>>>>>
>>>>> As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if
>>>>> possible, I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
>>>>> Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages"
>>>>> [1], but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update
>>>>> functionality should direct the user for these languages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arabic -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chinese (simplified) -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chinese (traditional) -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Czech -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>>>>>
>>>>> English (US) -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>>
>>>>> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>>>>>
>>>>> Galician -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> German -> ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>
>>>> On the mainpage "http://www.openoffice.org/de/" there is only one big link
>>>> that
>>>> points to the central download webpage.
>>>>
>>>> However, there are still some errors, so I'll update the site a bit to
>>>> make it
>>>> more Apache-like.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thx for the feedback.
>>>
>>> Thus, for German we will direct the user to English (US) download page.
>>>
>>> Question for discussion:
>>> Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the languages
>>> for which we have no localized download page?
>>> orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently see no
>>> other solution.
>>>
>>
>> I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications
>> over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL
>> download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to
>> upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if
>> there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English
>> page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add
>> support for that,
>
> I just checked the traffic, I think we could add other countries by
> now, at least from an infrastructure perspective.
>
> For example we could add US, that is the fourth country by daily visits.
>
Ok, I will add en-US tomorrow morning 10:00 (GMT+2).
Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Roberto Galoppini <rg...@geek.net>.
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
> <or...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> On 06.06.2012 22:50, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 06/06/2012 03:39 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo
>>>> 3.3 update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update
>>>> service working at the end of this week.
>>>>
>>>> As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if
>>>> possible, I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
>>>> Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages"
>>>> [1], but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.
>>>>
>>>> Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update
>>>> functionality should direct the user for these languages.
>>>>
>>>> Arabic -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Chinese (simplified) -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Chinese (traditional) -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Czech -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>>>>
>>>> English (US) -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>
>>>> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>>>>
>>>> Galician -> ?
>>>>
>>>> German -> ?
>>>
>>>
>>> German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>
>>> On the mainpage "http://www.openoffice.org/de/" there is only one big link
>>> that
>>> points to the central download webpage.
>>>
>>> However, there are still some errors, so I'll update the site a bit to
>>> make it
>>> more Apache-like.
>>>
>>
>> Thx for the feedback.
>>
>> Thus, for German we will direct the user to English (US) download page.
>>
>> Question for discussion:
>> Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the languages
>> for which we have no localized download page?
>> orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently see no
>> other solution.
>>
>
> I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications
> over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL
> download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to
> upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if
> there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English
> page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add
> support for that,
I just checked the traffic, I think we could add other countries by
now, at least from an infrastructure perspective.
For example we could add US, that is the fourth country by daily visits.
Roberto
>
>> Another question for discussion:
>> Does it make sense to adapt the URL parameter "utm_source=OOo3_3" to
>> "utm_source=OOo3_3_[language code]" in order to distinguish the languages on
>> this level?
>>
>
> Not really necessary. Google already tracks the country and locale,
> so we can already see the distribution that way. It also tracks the
> platform.
>>
>> Best regards, Oliver.
>>
>>
>>>> Hungarian -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Italian -> http://openoffice.org/it/download
>>>>
>>>> Japanese -> http://www.openoffice.org/ja/download/
>>>>
>>>> Portuguese (Brazilian) -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Russian -> http://www.openoffice.org/ru/about-downloads.html
>>>>
>>>> Spanish -> http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://ooo-dev.markmail.org/thread/7ydafrdrqxpctsy3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for your help, Oliver.
>>>
>>>
>>> Marcus
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Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
<or...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On 07.06.2012 14:19, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo
>>>>> 3.3 update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update
>>>>> service working at the end of this week.
>>>>>
>>>>> As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if
>>>>> possible, I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
>>>>> Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages"
>>>>> [1], but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update
>>>>> functionality should direct the user for these languages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arabic -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chinese (simplified) -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chinese (traditional) -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Czech -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>>>>>
>>>>> English (US) -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>>
>>>>> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>>>>>
>>>>> Galician -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> German -> ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>
>>>> On the mainpage "http://www.openoffice.org/de/" there is only one big
>>>> link
>>>> that
>>>> points to the central download webpage.
>>>>
>>>> However, there are still some errors, so I'll update the site a bit to
>>>> make it
>>>> more Apache-like.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thx for the feedback.
>>>
>>> Thus, for German we will direct the user to English (US) download page.
>>>
>>> Question for discussion:
>>> Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the
>>> languages
>>> for which we have no localized download page?
>>> orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently see
>>> no
>>> other solution.
>>>
>>
>> I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications
>> over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL
>> download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to
>> upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if
>> there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English
>> page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add
>> support for that,
>>
>>> Another question for discussion:
>>> Does it make sense to adapt the URL parameter "utm_source=OOo3_3" to
>>> "utm_source=OOo3_3_[language code]" in order to distinguish the languages
>>> on
>>> this level?
>>>
>>
>> Not really necessary. Google already tracks the country and locale,
>> so we can already see the distribution that way. It also tracks the
>> platform.
>>
>
> That is right.
> But Google Analytics can not track the language of the installed OOo 3.3
> which directs the user to the download page.
Right. If the locale of the browser differs from the locale of the
OOo 3.3 installation then GA will report the locale of the browser.
This might be an issue eventually because OOo supports more languages
than the browsers do,
> Thus, I propose to perform the above proposed change to the URL parameter.
>
OK
> Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
<or...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 11.06.2012 02:39, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Another question for discussion:
>>>>> Does it make sense to adapt the URL parameter "utm_source=OOo3_3" to
>>>>> "utm_source=OOo3_3_[language code]" in order to distinguish the
>>>>> languages
>>>>> on
>>>>> this level?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not really necessary. Google already tracks the country and locale,
>>>> so we can already see the distribution that way. It also tracks the
>>>> platform.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is right.
>>> But Google Analytics can not track the language of the installed OOo 3.3
>>> which directs the user to the download page.
>>> Thus, I propose to perform the above proposed change to the URL
>>> parameter.
>>>
>>
>> A mystery: I'm still seeing a small % (a little of 1%) of downloads
>> coming with the utm_source parameter set to "OOo3_3", without any
>> language code. But when I check your XML file I don't see this.
>>
>> Any idea what this could be coming from?
>>
>
> I have no idea, too.
> May be a caching issue?
>
Maybe user-level "caching"? Someone could have bookmarked the link,
planning to return to it later to do the upgrade. Or sent it in an
email to colleges, or posed on Facebook, etc. That could explain it
as well.
> Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On 11.06.2012 02:39, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> Another question for discussion:
>>>> Does it make sense to adapt the URL parameter "utm_source=OOo3_3" to
>>>> "utm_source=OOo3_3_[language code]" in order to distinguish the languages
>>>> on
>>>> this level?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not really necessary. Google already tracks the country and locale,
>>> so we can already see the distribution that way. It also tracks the
>>> platform.
>>>
>>
>> That is right.
>> But Google Analytics can not track the language of the installed OOo 3.3
>> which directs the user to the download page.
>> Thus, I propose to perform the above proposed change to the URL parameter.
>>
>
> A mystery: I'm still seeing a small % (a little of 1%) of downloads
> coming with the utm_source parameter set to "OOo3_3", without any
> language code. But when I check your XML file I don't see this.
>
> Any idea what this could be coming from?
>
I have no idea, too.
May be a caching issue?
Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
<or...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On 07.06.2012 14:19, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo
>>>>> 3.3 update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update
>>>>> service working at the end of this week.
>>>>>
>>>>> As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if
>>>>> possible, I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
>>>>> Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages"
>>>>> [1], but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update
>>>>> functionality should direct the user for these languages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arabic -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chinese (simplified) -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chinese (traditional) -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Czech -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>>>>>
>>>>> English (US) -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>>
>>>>> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>>>>>
>>>>> Galician -> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> German -> ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>
>>>> On the mainpage "http://www.openoffice.org/de/" there is only one big
>>>> link
>>>> that
>>>> points to the central download webpage.
>>>>
>>>> However, there are still some errors, so I'll update the site a bit to
>>>> make it
>>>> more Apache-like.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thx for the feedback.
>>>
>>> Thus, for German we will direct the user to English (US) download page.
>>>
>>> Question for discussion:
>>> Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the
>>> languages
>>> for which we have no localized download page?
>>> orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently see
>>> no
>>> other solution.
>>>
>>
>> I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications
>> over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL
>> download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to
>> upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if
>> there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English
>> page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add
>> support for that,
>>
>>> Another question for discussion:
>>> Does it make sense to adapt the URL parameter "utm_source=OOo3_3" to
>>> "utm_source=OOo3_3_[language code]" in order to distinguish the languages
>>> on
>>> this level?
>>>
>>
>> Not really necessary. Google already tracks the country and locale,
>> so we can already see the distribution that way. It also tracks the
>> platform.
>>
>
> That is right.
> But Google Analytics can not track the language of the installed OOo 3.3
> which directs the user to the download page.
> Thus, I propose to perform the above proposed change to the URL parameter.
>
A mystery: I'm still seeing a small % (a little of 1%) of downloads
coming with the utm_source parameter set to "OOo3_3", without any
language code. But when I check your XML file I don't see this.
Any idea what this could be coming from?
-Rob
> Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On 07.06.2012 14:19, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
>>>>
>>>> from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo
>>>> 3.3 update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update
>>>> service working at the end of this week.
>>>>
>>>> As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if
>>>> possible, I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
>>>> Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages"
>>>> [1], but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.
>>>>
>>>> Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update
>>>> functionality should direct the user for these languages.
>>>>
>>>> Arabic -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Chinese (simplified) -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Chinese (traditional) -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Czech -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>>>>
>>>> English (US) -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>
>>>> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>>>>
>>>> Galician -> ?
>>>>
>>>> German -> ?
>>>
>>>
>>> German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>
>>> On the mainpage "http://www.openoffice.org/de/" there is only one big link
>>> that
>>> points to the central download webpage.
>>>
>>> However, there are still some errors, so I'll update the site a bit to
>>> make it
>>> more Apache-like.
>>>
>>
>> Thx for the feedback.
>>
>> Thus, for German we will direct the user to English (US) download page.
>>
>> Question for discussion:
>> Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the languages
>> for which we have no localized download page?
>> orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently see no
>> other solution.
>>
>
> I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications
> over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL
> download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to
> upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if
> there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English
> page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add
> support for that,
>
>> Another question for discussion:
>> Does it make sense to adapt the URL parameter "utm_source=OOo3_3" to
>> "utm_source=OOo3_3_[language code]" in order to distinguish the languages on
>> this level?
>>
>
> Not really necessary. Google already tracks the country and locale,
> so we can already see the distribution that way. It also tracks the
> platform.
>
That is right.
But Google Analytics can not track the language of the installed OOo 3.3 which
directs the user to the download page.
Thus, I propose to perform the above proposed change to the URL parameter.
Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 06/07/2012 02:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
> <or...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> On 06.06.2012 22:50, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 06/06/2012 03:39 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo
>>>> 3.3 update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update
>>>> service working at the end of this week.
>>>>
>>>> As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if
>>>> possible, I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
>>>> Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages"
>>>> [1], but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.
>>>>
>>>> Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update
>>>> functionality should direct the user for these languages.
>>>>
>>>> Arabic -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Chinese (simplified) -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Chinese (traditional) -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Czech -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>>>>
>>>> English (US) -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>>
>>>> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>>>>
>>>> Galician -> ?
>>>>
>>>> German -> ?
>>>
>>>
>>> German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>
>>> On the mainpage "http://www.openoffice.org/de/" there is only one big link
>>> that
>>> points to the central download webpage.
>>>
>>> However, there are still some errors, so I'll update the site a bit to
>>> make it
>>> more Apache-like.
>>>
>>
>> Thx for the feedback.
>>
>> Thus, for German we will direct the user to English (US) download page.
>>
>> Question for discussion:
>> Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the languages
>> for which we have no localized download page?
>> orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently see no
>> other solution.
>>
>
> I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications
> over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL
> download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to
> upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if
> there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English
Yes, I also think that the webpage in English is better than nothing.
> page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add
> support for that,
Right.
>> Another question for discussion:
>> Does it make sense to adapt the URL parameter "utm_source=OOo3_3" to
>> "utm_source=OOo3_3_[language code]" in order to distinguish the languages on
>> this level?
+1. Then we can see which language builds are really downloaded
independent from the browser. And on this way we can identify the
hotspots of interest.
Marcus
> Not really necessary. Google already tracks the country and locale,
> so we can already see the distribution that way. It also tracks the
> platform.
>
>>
>> Best regards, Oliver.
>>
>>
>>>> Hungarian -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Italian -> http://openoffice.org/it/download
>>>>
>>>> Japanese -> http://www.openoffice.org/ja/download/
>>>>
>>>> Portuguese (Brazilian) -> ?
>>>>
>>>> Russian -> http://www.openoffice.org/ru/about-downloads.html
>>>>
>>>> Spanish -> http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://ooo-dev.markmail.org/thread/7ydafrdrqxpctsy3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for your help, Oliver.
>>>
>>>
>>> Marcus
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
<or...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On 06.06.2012 22:50, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>
>> Am 06/06/2012 03:39 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo
>>> 3.3 update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update
>>> service working at the end of this week.
>>>
>>> As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if
>>> possible, I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
>>> Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages"
>>> [1], but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.
>>>
>>> Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update
>>> functionality should direct the user for these languages.
>>>
>>> Arabic -> ?
>>>
>>> Chinese (simplified) -> ?
>>>
>>> Chinese (traditional) -> ?
>>>
>>> Czech -> ?
>>>
>>> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>>>
>>> English (US) -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>>
>>> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>>>
>>> Galician -> ?
>>>
>>> German -> ?
>>
>>
>> German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>
>> On the mainpage "http://www.openoffice.org/de/" there is only one big link
>> that
>> points to the central download webpage.
>>
>> However, there are still some errors, so I'll update the site a bit to
>> make it
>> more Apache-like.
>>
>
> Thx for the feedback.
>
> Thus, for German we will direct the user to English (US) download page.
>
> Question for discussion:
> Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the languages
> for which we have no localized download page?
> orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently see no
> other solution.
>
I think we still want to gradually enable the upgrade notifications
over the next week. Maybe we start with those that have good NL
download pages. But at the end, we really need to enable everyone to
upgrade. AOO 3.4 has important security patches. So at the end, if
there is no good NL page we would direct them to the default English
page. And if we get an improved NL page in the future, we can add
support for that,
> Another question for discussion:
> Does it make sense to adapt the URL parameter "utm_source=OOo3_3" to
> "utm_source=OOo3_3_[language code]" in order to distinguish the languages on
> this level?
>
Not really necessary. Google already tracks the country and locale,
so we can already see the distribution that way. It also tracks the
platform.
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
>
>
>>> Hungarian -> ?
>>>
>>> Italian -> http://openoffice.org/it/download
>>>
>>> Japanese -> http://www.openoffice.org/ja/download/
>>>
>>> Portuguese (Brazilian) -> ?
>>>
>>> Russian -> http://www.openoffice.org/ru/about-downloads.html
>>>
>>> Spanish -> http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar/
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://ooo-dev.markmail.org/thread/7ydafrdrqxpctsy3
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your help, Oliver.
>>
>>
>> Marcus
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On 06.06.2012 22:50, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Am 06/06/2012 03:39 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:
>> Hi,
>>
>> from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo
>> 3.3 update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update
>> service working at the end of this week.
>>
>> As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if
>> possible, I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
>> Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages"
>> [1], but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.
>>
>> Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update
>> functionality should direct the user for these languages.
>>
>> Arabic -> ?
>>
>> Chinese (simplified) -> ?
>>
>> Chinese (traditional) -> ?
>>
>> Czech -> ?
>>
>> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>>
>> English (US) -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>>
>> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>>
>> Galician -> ?
>>
>> German -> ?
>
> German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>
> On the mainpage "http://www.openoffice.org/de/" there is only one big link that
> points to the central download webpage.
>
> However, there are still some errors, so I'll update the site a bit to make it
> more Apache-like.
>
Thx for the feedback.
Thus, for German we will direct the user to English (US) download page.
Question for discussion:
Should we use the English (US) download page as a fallback for the languages for
which we have no localized download page?
orw's opinion: I am not in favor of such a fallback, but I currently see no
other solution.
Another question for discussion:
Does it make sense to adapt the URL parameter "utm_source=OOo3_3" to
"utm_source=OOo3_3_[language code]" in order to distinguish the languages on
this level?
Best regards, Oliver.
>> Hungarian -> ?
>>
>> Italian -> http://openoffice.org/it/download
>>
>> Japanese -> http://www.openoffice.org/ja/download/
>>
>> Portuguese (Brazilian) -> ?
>>
>> Russian -> http://www.openoffice.org/ru/about-downloads.html
>>
>> Spanish -> http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar/
>>
>>
>> [1] http://ooo-dev.markmail.org/thread/7ydafrdrqxpctsy3
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help, Oliver.
>
> Marcus
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 06/06/2012 03:39 PM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:
> Hi,
>
> from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo
> 3.3 update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update
> service working at the end of this week.
>
> As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if
> possible, I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
> Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages"
> [1], but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.
>
> Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update
> functionality should direct the user for these languages.
>
> Arabic -> ?
>
> Chinese (simplified) -> ?
>
> Chinese (traditional) -> ?
>
> Czech -> ?
>
> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>
> English (US) -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>
> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>
> Galician -> ?
>
> German -> ?
German -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
On the mainpage "http://www.openoffice.org/de/" there is only one big
link that points to the central download webpage.
However, there are still some errors, so I'll update the site a bit to
make it more Apache-like.
> Hungarian -> ?
>
> Italian -> http://openoffice.org/it/download
>
> Japanese -> http://www.openoffice.org/ja/download/
>
> Portuguese (Brazilian) -> ?
>
> Russian -> http://www.openoffice.org/ru/about-downloads.html
>
> Spanish -> http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar/
>
>
> [1] http://ooo-dev.markmail.org/thread/7ydafrdrqxpctsy3
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your help, Oliver.
Marcus
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On 06.06.2012 16:37, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
> <or...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo 3.3
>> update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update service
>> working at the end of this week.
>>
>> As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if
>> possible, I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
>> Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages" [1],
>> but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.
>>
>> Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update
>> functionality should direct the user for these languages.
>>
>
> Also, for each of these URL's you will also want to add the URL
> parameters (utm_campaign, etc.) just as you did with the Italian
> updates.
>
Yes, of course
Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service - next steps
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
<or...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> from what we have experienced so far from the "first phase" of the OOo 3.3
> update service it makes sense to me to have the full OOo 3.3 update service
> working at the end of this week.
>
> As we would like to direct our users to a localized download page, if
> possible, I want to put our attention on the "planned" download pages.
> Rob already started a similar thread - namely "Audit of NL home pages" [1],
> but I am not sure, if the one or the other already took action.
>
> Please provide feedback regarding to which page the OOo 3.3 update
> functionality should direct the user for these languages.
>
Also, for each of these URL's you will also want to add the URL
parameters (utm_campaign, etc.) just as you did with the Italian
updates.
> Arabic -> ?
>
> Chinese (simplified) -> ?
>
> Chinese (traditional) -> ?
>
> Czech -> ?
>
> Dutch -> http://www.openoffice.org/nl/downloaden.html
>
> English (US) -> http://www.openoffice.org/download
>
> French -> http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
>
> Galician -> ?
>
> German -> ?
>
> Hungarian -> ?
>
> Italian -> http://openoffice.org/it/download
>
> Japanese -> http://www.openoffice.org/ja/download/
>
> Portuguese (Brazilian) -> ?
>
> Russian -> http://www.openoffice.org/ru/about-downloads.html
>
> Spanish -> http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar/
>
>
> [1] http://ooo-dev.markmail.org/thread/7ydafrdrqxpctsy3
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your help, Oliver.