Apple. Re: You guys are so funny.

[Jon Scott Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>]

on 5/3/02 10:04 AM, "Henri Yandell" <ba...@generationjava.com> wrote:

> The Apple Java list has had some complaints recently that Sun don't care
> about Apple users and that Apple can't supply the time to support Java
> users.

Well duh. Apple's business model doesn't revolve around Java.

> Apple are doing a great job, but JAI, J3D, J2ME, J2EE, Jblahblah and all
> the other Sun released APIs which have native parts (J2EE deployer does I
> think) are not available yet. Sun's basic response is to talk to Apple,
> Apple's is: We'll get around to it, it's a lot to do.

I personally try to ignore the native parts simply because that isn't in the
spirit of Java IMHO. What I care about is the implementations of the JDK's.
I want JDK 1.4. I know Apple is working on it.

> Sun are taking most of the flak it seems.

It is that great flaming fireball in the sky and most of the time they
deserve it. :-)

> I wonder what a survey of Jakarta developers coding environments would
> show. If Sun were to discover that 40% of Jakarta committers prefer OS X,
> would that change their opinion etc?

Remember, they are the center of the universe. :-)

> Or is it a, "Yeah, but we care more about the majority of users, ie)
> newbies. "

The FreeBSD port was the overwhelming #1 feature request for a LONG time.
Sun ignored it and even made it difficult to get the port done.

> I can see a good reason for not supporting J2EE well on a Mac. Until Apple
> release a 1U OS X server there's not much point, but the rest are a shame.

Moot point. There are after market cases for 1U servers...

-jon


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Re: Apple. Re: You guys are so funny.

[Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>]

On Fri, 3 May 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:

> on 5/3/02 10:04 AM, "Henri Yandell" <ba...@generationjava.com> wrote:
>
> > The Apple Java list has had some complaints recently that Sun don't care
> > about Apple users and that Apple can't supply the time to support Java
> > users.
>
> Well duh. Apple's business model doesn't revolve around Java.

The applet comment wasn't a criticism of them. Apple seem to be creating a
group of Java developers with the same loving view of Java on the Apple as
most Apple users seem to have towards their Apples.

The general view being that if you want 1.4, sadly you can't use an Apple,
but if you want the best 1.3 JVM, then grab an Apple.

> > Apple are doing a great job, but JAI, J3D, J2ME, J2EE, Jblahblah and all
> > the other Sun released APIs which have native parts (J2EE deployer does I
> > think) are not available yet. Sun's basic response is to talk to Apple,
> > Apple's is: We'll get around to it, it's a lot to do.
>
> I personally try to ignore the native parts simply because that isn't in the
> spirit of Java IMHO. What I care about is the implementations of the JDK's.
> I want JDK 1.4. I know Apple is working on it.

Java3D, J2ME, JAI, full J2EE are not quite minor native parts though. Some
of them are places where a Java solution would have quite happily worked.
The view seems to be that Sun's left hand is writing things in C when the
right hand could have done it in Java. JAI does it right I think, they
provide a fully working Java version so you can easily devleop on OS X,
and then native linux/unix/windows versions for deploying.

Supplying 1.4 is not in Apple's business model [to analogy you above] but
will be coming out sometime next year it seems. Early release version to
come out soon.

> > I can see a good reason for not supporting J2EE well on a Mac. Until Apple
> > release a 1U OS X server there's not much point, but the rest are a shame.
>
> Moot point. There are after market cases for 1U servers...

Dunno, I can't see OS X Server hosting an Enterprise server unless it
comes from the manufacturer. It's a case of the physical market that Apple
succeed/work in not matching the current software market in which Java is
excelling and marketed by Sun. Shame.

Hen


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