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So.....how was JavaOne and Batik
Batik Team,
Simple question: So...How did JavaOne go for Batik?
Do you have any material that you can share with the group?
Look forward to reading what you have to say :-)
We all learn by sharing what we know
Robert A. DiBlasi
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Re: So.....how was JavaOne and Batik
Posted by Dean Jackson <de...@w3.org>.
Max,
I'm sure the SVG community would be happy to hear
your review of Batik/JavaONE. Could you forward
the message to www-svg@w3.org and svg-developers@yahoo.com?
To Vincent, Thierry and Thomas, I'd also like to see the slides :)
Dean
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Max Dunn wrote:
> Google didn't bring up much, other than what was there pre-JavaOne. The
> slides, where are the slides? Or should I ask where is the SVG file that
> included all the slides?
>
> I'm not on the Batik team, but I can give my impression as a generic JavaOne
> attendee:
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Re: So.....how was JavaOne and Batik
Posted by Vincent Hardy <vi...@sun.com>.
Max,
Thanks for the summary of the Batik activity at JavaOne and for your
kind words about the work that was done. I would like to add a couple
points.
In addition to the BOF and the session we had a Booth in the Pavillion
where products and technologies are presented. This was a great
opportunity to give demos, answer questions and get feedback on Batik.
The Batik booth was not the only place where Batik was shown as it was
also demoed in the Java 2D API booth, the Java Web Start boot (with
the Draw sample application exporting SVG and the Batik browser
started from a web page as in
http://xml.apache.org/batik/batikDemo.html),
the OpenOffice booth (where SVG export from OpenOffice, not using
Batik though and Batik integration in Netscape 6.x for Solaris were
shown). So Batik was well represented and I share Max's feeling that
there is a growing interest around SVG and Batik.
Regarding the BOF slides, we will make them available but I need to
package them. This may take some time as I am in the middle of a move
so I appologize in advance if there is any delay. For the session
slides,
we can only go with whatever the conference organization does with them,
and I do not have information about that. I hope they will be available
shortly.
Cheers.
Vincent.
Max Dunn wrote:
>
> Google didn't bring up much, other than what was there pre-JavaOne. The
> slides, where are the slides? Or should I ask where is the SVG file that
> included all the slides?
>
> I'm not on the Batik team, but I can give my impression as a generic JavaOne
> attendee:
>
> First of all, the Batikers were *dogged* in terms of the schedule. The BOF
> at 11 PM, the technical session at 8:30 AM on Friday (traditionally Fridays
> are sparsely attended, and Friday morning after a week of 8:30 AM to
> Midnight is hardly anyone's dream time). Next Year, Batik deserves some
> prime time. Nevertheless, this didn't dampen anyone's spirits.
>
> The BOF was fantastic. The participants clearly knew their subject inside
> out, and they clearly had some superior software to show off. Remembering
> back to the dawn of Java 2D, when the poor embarrassed presenters managed to
> skate along with concepts and promises rather than awesome demos, this was
> the exact opposite. Java 2D has truly come of age, and it was shown off by
> Batik exceptionally well. It was also shown off by a Java 2D app, ILOG's
> JView, that exports SVG.
>
> In true open source style the audience decided the sequence of the topics
> covered, and appropriately the slides were SVG, all slides for several
> presentations on a single SVG that was zoomed and navigated via SVG
> controls. This presentation would be quite nice to have available on the
> web. Didn't find it searching google...
>
> There was some practical talk of how to add SVG to a Java 2 app, a concise
> overview of the architecture of Batik, an explanation of the data flow of
> Batik, and talk of the present and future of Batik.
>
> In terms of the present they said that Batik 1.0 covered static SVG, full
> linking support, and some scripting, but did not yet include SMIL.
>
> In terms of the future the Batik team spoke of the desire to add further
> dynamic support, including both improved scripting and SMIL. They said they
> wished to modularize the implementation. They mentioned that SVG 1.0 was
> virtually complete, there was also the likelihood (certainty?) of an SVG 2.0
> Working Group defining a 2.0 spec, and the possibilities for 2.0 were
> discussed. Apparently there is also the possibility of a lighter weight
> spec for SVG aimed at small devices.
>
> ILOG demonstrated their JViews Composer Suite, which is a set of components
> for 2D graphics. Quite an awesome demo, almost upstaged Batik itself. At
> least it exports (static) SVG. If anyone doubts the capabilities of Java
> 2D, ILOG's software would put any such doubts to rest; it is simply awesome.
>
> At the Batik technical session on Friday they really showed off Batik:
> unfortunately the large hall was rather sparsely populated, but those who
> were there were on the edge of their seats. The Batik team demonstrated the
> use of Batik on the server to generate business cards, and the use of Batik
> for internationalization. They showed the extreme zoom capabilities of
> Batik/SVG, very impressive.
>
> Batik and SVG also came up as a subject at other JavaOne sessions. For
> example in the JAXP BOF, the XSLT transformation demo transformed into SVG,
> which was then rasterized to .PNG, using Batik.
>
> As one who attended JavaOne way back in 1998 when XML was covered in similar
> fashion (I think there were 4 sessions total on XML that year, and it may
> have come up tangentially in about 15 others), SVG had a similar feel to it.
> Those who knew about it were all deeply enthusiastic about it, and those who
> found out about it were almost instantly enthusiastic about it. I think
> that SVG will really take off, in large part thanks to Batik.
>
> I think it would be a good idea to put the materials from the BOF and the
> technical session on the Batik site. It appears Sun is going to attempt to
> sell access to the slides from JavaOne this year, which I think is very
> unfortunate. Hopefully the Batik materials will be available to all at no
> cost.
>
> Max
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Engineer Software [mailto:biosoft_indore@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:45 AM
> To: Batik Users
> Subject: Re: So.....how was JavaOne and Batik
>
> search it at www.google.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "r d" <ba...@hotmail.com>
> To: <ba...@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:01 AM
> Subject: So.....how was JavaOne and Batik
>
> > Batik Team,
> >
> > Simple question: So...How did JavaOne go for Batik?
> > Do you have any material that you can share with the group?
> >
> > Look forward to reading what you have to say :-)
> >
> > We all learn by sharing what we know
> > Robert A. DiBlasi
>
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RE: So.....how was JavaOne and Batik
Posted by Max Dunn <ma...@siliconpublishing.com>.
Google didn't bring up much, other than what was there pre-JavaOne. The
slides, where are the slides? Or should I ask where is the SVG file that
included all the slides?
I'm not on the Batik team, but I can give my impression as a generic JavaOne
attendee:
First of all, the Batikers were *dogged* in terms of the schedule. The BOF
at 11 PM, the technical session at 8:30 AM on Friday (traditionally Fridays
are sparsely attended, and Friday morning after a week of 8:30 AM to
Midnight is hardly anyone's dream time). Next Year, Batik deserves some
prime time. Nevertheless, this didn't dampen anyone's spirits.
The BOF was fantastic. The participants clearly knew their subject inside
out, and they clearly had some superior software to show off. Remembering
back to the dawn of Java 2D, when the poor embarrassed presenters managed to
skate along with concepts and promises rather than awesome demos, this was
the exact opposite. Java 2D has truly come of age, and it was shown off by
Batik exceptionally well. It was also shown off by a Java 2D app, ILOG's
JView, that exports SVG.
In true open source style the audience decided the sequence of the topics
covered, and appropriately the slides were SVG, all slides for several
presentations on a single SVG that was zoomed and navigated via SVG
controls. This presentation would be quite nice to have available on the
web. Didn't find it searching google...
There was some practical talk of how to add SVG to a Java 2 app, a concise
overview of the architecture of Batik, an explanation of the data flow of
Batik, and talk of the present and future of Batik.
In terms of the present they said that Batik 1.0 covered static SVG, full
linking support, and some scripting, but did not yet include SMIL.
In terms of the future the Batik team spoke of the desire to add further
dynamic support, including both improved scripting and SMIL. They said they
wished to modularize the implementation. They mentioned that SVG 1.0 was
virtually complete, there was also the likelihood (certainty?) of an SVG 2.0
Working Group defining a 2.0 spec, and the possibilities for 2.0 were
discussed. Apparently there is also the possibility of a lighter weight
spec for SVG aimed at small devices.
ILOG demonstrated their JViews Composer Suite, which is a set of components
for 2D graphics. Quite an awesome demo, almost upstaged Batik itself. At
least it exports (static) SVG. If anyone doubts the capabilities of Java
2D, ILOG's software would put any such doubts to rest; it is simply awesome.
At the Batik technical session on Friday they really showed off Batik:
unfortunately the large hall was rather sparsely populated, but those who
were there were on the edge of their seats. The Batik team demonstrated the
use of Batik on the server to generate business cards, and the use of Batik
for internationalization. They showed the extreme zoom capabilities of
Batik/SVG, very impressive.
Batik and SVG also came up as a subject at other JavaOne sessions. For
example in the JAXP BOF, the XSLT transformation demo transformed into SVG,
which was then rasterized to .PNG, using Batik.
As one who attended JavaOne way back in 1998 when XML was covered in similar
fashion (I think there were 4 sessions total on XML that year, and it may
have come up tangentially in about 15 others), SVG had a similar feel to it.
Those who knew about it were all deeply enthusiastic about it, and those who
found out about it were almost instantly enthusiastic about it. I think
that SVG will really take off, in large part thanks to Batik.
I think it would be a good idea to put the materials from the BOF and the
technical session on the Batik site. It appears Sun is going to attempt to
sell access to the slides from JavaOne this year, which I think is very
unfortunate. Hopefully the Batik materials will be available to all at no
cost.
Max
-----Original Message-----
From: Engineer Software [mailto:biosoft_indore@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:45 AM
To: Batik Users
Subject: Re: So.....how was JavaOne and Batik
search it at www.google.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "r d" <ba...@hotmail.com>
To: <ba...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:01 AM
Subject: So.....how was JavaOne and Batik
> Batik Team,
>
> Simple question: So...How did JavaOne go for Batik?
> Do you have any material that you can share with the group?
>
> Look forward to reading what you have to say :-)
>
> We all learn by sharing what we know
> Robert A. DiBlasi
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Re: So.....how was JavaOne and Batik
Posted by Engineer Software <bi...@yahoo.com>.
search it at www.google.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "r d" <ba...@hotmail.com>
To: <ba...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:01 AM
Subject: So.....how was JavaOne and Batik
> Batik Team,
>
> Simple question: So...How did JavaOne go for Batik?
> Do you have any material that you can share with the group?
>
> Look forward to reading what you have to say :-)
>
> We all learn by sharing what we know
> Robert A. DiBlasi
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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