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Naming

Hi,

What should happen to naming? IIRC there has to be a release done at spice and 
then after that we can archive the excalibur version. Probably the best thing 
to do is place a jar somewhere in CVS (compatibility/lib/excalur-naming.jar), 
point gump at it, archive the tree and place it on our website ?

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Re: Naming

Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:58, Berin Loritsch wrote:
> 
>>1) How is it fubarred?
> 
> 
> It was docs but fixed now.

Ok.

>>2) Why don't you fix it?
> 
> Wasn't it you who said people are going to start becoming accountable for 
> their actions and I should stop cleaning up after them ? Or was that some 
> other Berin? :)

We are all responsible for the code.  If I am under the impression that
everything is hunky dory, I'm not going to fix it--I don't think its
broke.

Some things are just easier to fix than to say, "Hey! you messed this
up."

Besides, what would happen if I got hit by a bus tomorrow?  How long
would a bug or mistake I introduced just sit there waiting for me to fix
it?  If I were dead, you might have to wait forever!P


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Re: Naming

Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:58, Berin Loritsch wrote:
> 1) How is it fubarred?

It was docs but fixed now.

> 2) Why don't you fix it?

Wasn't it you who said people are going to start becoming accountable for 
their actions and I should stop cleaning up after them ? Or was that some 
other Berin? :)

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Re: Naming

Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:17, Leo Sutic wrote:
> 
>>>From: Peter Donald [mailto:peter@realityforge.org]
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>What should happen to naming?
>>
>>I can shove it into excalibur-compatibility, as soon as
>>Berin has done the release. I know at least one person
>>(me) that will need that compat jar for a few months as
>>migration happens.
>>
>>That fine with you?
> 
> 
> I think it is a silly idea because it will only lead to disintegration in 
> quality. ie CLI still is fubarred and no one seems to care. I would recomend 
> that jar/zip the source tree if needed and move it onto the web and then put 
> a binary jar in CVS. But then again I just want to see it cleaned out.

1) How is it fubarred?

2) Why don't you fix it?


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to go to war. And the 3 most powerful men in America
are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon' (sic)".

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Re: Naming

Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
In process of uploading some distributions. You should be able to grab them by 
following download link on http://spice.sourceforge.net/jndikit/ in about 5 
minutes. BTW if you need access to the code just send us your sourceforge id.

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Re: Naming

Posted by Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>.
Leo Sutic wrote:
>>documentation got nuked.
> 
> As in nuked-doesn't-build or nuked-files-are-gone? There's an index.xml 
> in the attic of the old cli project - is that all, or am I missing
> something?

that's it. Someone should copy the text contents of index.xml to the 
package.html for CLI. I wanted to but forgot.

> One question regarding CVS surgery - will I be able to
> move naming to compat by doing a mv of the files in the repo
> from naming to compatibility, or should I re-import the stuff
> into compatiblity? Either way goes, I suppose - but for the
> future.

never 'mv' in the repo. Only 'cp -p'. I wrote a "howto" earlier:

#######################################
ssh leosimons@cvs.apache.org # ssh to apache cvs box

# for file permissions, just paranoia -- as you use the -p switch for cp
umask 002

# new location for the CVS/RCS files
cd /home/cvs/avalon-sandbox

# copy the old RCS structure you want to move here, preserving permissions
# this is the only bit of 'magic' where you work around cvs limitations.
cp -Rp ../jakarta-avalon/src/proposal/avalon5 .

exit # back to local box

# nothing fancy here, just removing the old materials using std cvs 
commands.
# Could use a GUI client here if you wanted.
cd ~/projects/avalon/jakarta-avalon/src/proposal/
cvs tag -R PRE_MOVE_TO_SANDBOX avalon5/
cvs remove -R -f avalon5
cvs commit -R -m 'removal explanation' avalon5
cvs up -P -d

# tags that existed in the old structure might conflict with those in the
# new structure. If you wish to make sure that is not a problem, you can
# remove all tags in the existing location. Again, just standard cvs 
commands.
# Could use a GUI client here if you wanted.
cd ../avalon-sandbox
cvs update -P -d
cd avalon5
cvs log > cvs_history.txt # get cvs logs
cvs tag -R -d SOME_TAG avalon5    # repeat this for all existing tags
cvs add cvs_history.txt
cvs commit -m "history up to $currentdate, including tags" \
     cvs_history.txt
cvs remove -f cvs_history.txt
cvs commit -m 'move history to attic' cvs_history.txt
#######################################

more info in the cvsbook.

- LSD



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RE: Naming

Posted by Leo Sutic <le...@inspireinfrastructure.com>.

> From: Peter Donald [mailto:peter@realityforge.org] 
>
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 21:59, Leo Sutic wrote:
> > As in nuked-doesn't-build or nuked-files-are-gone?
> 
> gone.

Should be in now. I stuffed it into the package.html (that was
the plan, as I understand it).

/LS


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Re: Naming

Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 21:59, Leo Sutic wrote:
> As in nuked-doesn't-build or nuked-files-are-gone? 

gone.

> One question regarding CVS surgery - will I be able to
> move naming to compat by doing a mv of the files in the repo
> from naming to compatibility, or should I re-import the stuff
> into compatiblity? Either way goes, I suppose - but for the
> future.

At the moment it would be best just to reimport. After a month or two we can 
nuke the server directories and archive them to our website.

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RE: Naming

Posted by Leo Sutic <le...@inspireinfrastructure.com>.

> From: Peter Donald [mailto:peter@realityforge.org] 
> 
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:37, Leo Sutic wrote:
> > > From: Peter Donald [mailto:peter@realityforge.org]
> > >
> > > CLI still is fubarred and no one seems to care.
> >
> > In what way? I though I had fixed that thing when the unit tests 
> > ran...
> 
> documentation got nuked.

As in nuked-doesn't-build or nuked-files-are-gone? There's an index.xml 
in the attic of the old cli project - is that all, or am I missing
something?

> > It seems like it is acceptable for you anyway - so how 
> > about I do it right after the phase 2 release?
> 
> the earlier the better.

I'll just wait for the release for the moment. It's only a
couple of days away.

One question regarding CVS surgery - will I be able to
move naming to compat by doing a mv of the files in the repo
from naming to compatibility, or should I re-import the stuff
into compatiblity? Either way goes, I suppose - but for the
future.

/LS


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Re: Naming

Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:37, Leo Sutic wrote:
> > From: Peter Donald [mailto:peter@realityforge.org]
> >
> > CLI still is fubarred and no one seems to care.
>
> In what way? I though I had fixed that thing when the unit tests
> ran...

documentation got nuked.

> It seems like it is acceptable for you anyway - so how about I
> do it right after the phase 2 release?

the earlier the better.

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Peter Donald
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RE: Naming

Posted by Leo Sutic <le...@inspireinfrastructure.com>.

> From: Peter Donald [mailto:peter@realityforge.org] 
> 
> CLI still is fubarred and no one seems to care.

In what way? I though I had fixed that thing when the unit tests
ran...

> I would recomend that jar/zip the source tree if needed and move it 
> onto the web and then put a binary jar in CVS. But then again I 
> just want to see it cleaned out.

The reason I'm against a binary-only distro is that I want to
have access to the source if needed. But there will be no disintegration
of quality - the thing will freeze as-is. I can live with any bugs it 
has (I hope - that why I want the code) until I've switched.

It seems like it is acceptable for you anyway - so how about I
do it right after the phase 2 release?

/LS


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Re: Naming

Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:17, Leo Sutic wrote:
> > From: Peter Donald [mailto:peter@realityforge.org]
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > What should happen to naming?
>
> I can shove it into excalibur-compatibility, as soon as
> Berin has done the release. I know at least one person
> (me) that will need that compat jar for a few months as
> migration happens.
>
> That fine with you?

I think it is a silly idea because it will only lead to disintegration in 
quality. ie CLI still is fubarred and no one seems to care. I would recomend 
that jar/zip the source tree if needed and move it onto the web and then put 
a binary jar in CVS. But then again I just want to see it cleaned out.

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Cheers,

Peter Donald
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RE: Naming

Posted by Leo Sutic <le...@inspireinfrastructure.com>.

> From: Peter Donald [mailto:peter@realityforge.org] 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> What should happen to naming?

I can shove it into excalibur-compatibility, as soon as 
Berin has done the release. I know at least one person 
(me) that will need that compat jar for a few months as
migration happens.

That fine with you?

/LS


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