Help! Config of multiple hosts and JVM garbage.

[Sergio <Ap...@yandex.ru>]

Hi All! Guys, I need help!
My system is Windows 2003 Enterprise Server with Apache 2.0.48
I need Windows for 3rd part application, but because I hate IIS so I am
using Apache2(the best!!!).

1)Does somebody can help me with configuration of Tomcat 5.0.18 for multiple hosts? I need to deploy
servlets separately for each user. Access will be configured in
httpd.conf of Apache2.0.48 Some people uses multiples instances of Tomcat for each user.
Somebody uses one instance of Jboss with various deployed folders (its actually my configuration
now). But I need to do that trick with Tomcat. The biggest problem for
me now - its to configure server.xml for two or more hosts. I cant
find it in documentation. If you can help with with any tips and/or your examples of
httpd.conf, workers.prop..s etc. (all related parts of configuration
of the servers) - please help.

2) How I can configure memory management for Tomcat (limits for memory using for each
process/application)? Is it possible somehow?

3) I have a problem with garbage of JVM caching. Any suggestions how I
can organize "autocleaning"? How can I minimize the usage of the disk
in this case?

Sorry for my english and Many thanks to all for your attention and for your time!


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Re: Help! Config of multiple hosts and JVM garbage.

[Antonio Fiol Bonnín <fi...@terra.es>]

Hi Sergio,

1) public_html would be enough, AFAICT.

3) What I meant is: if you have 512Mb RAM, set your JAVA_OPTS=-Xmx256m 
(as I understand that you may have half your RAM free when Tomcat is not 
running). The idea about buying more RAM was a kind of a joke, 
especially because I did not know how much RAM you had. 512Mb should be 
enough in most cases, if you do not have memory leaks in your apps. If 
you do, no amount of RAM will be enough.

Watch your "top" / "free" / whatever to see if you are eating up all RAM 
and start swapping. If you do, and it is not a transient peak situation, 
you are "eating too much", and should lower the -Xmx to some lower value.

If your apps need more memory, you will get OutOfMemoryError in your 
catalina.out. In that case, raise your -Xmx.

And yes, you understood well, if you have to lower it, and also to raise 
it, that means RAM is not enough ;-)

Yours,


Antonio Fiol

Sergio wrote:

>Hello, Antonio.
>1) You are absolutely right about mounting, but also I figure it out
>with jk2 connector (I find it in docs - it seems I was a little tired to find it
>before:)). I've tryed to done it with mod_jk, but the problem was that
>I want to give access to their sites with FTP and limit this space up
>to "public_html" for each user and do not give them permissions to
>access to "webapps" for example.
>2) Thanks it helps!
>3) Yeap;) you right its "garbage collection". Thanks for suggestions.
>I have just 512 RAM (its HP ML330) - I know its not enough but we are
>poor people:)
>
>Thank you for help!!!
>
>
>AFB> Sergio wrote:
>
>  
>
>>>Hi All! Guys, I need help!
>>>My system is Windows 2003 Enterprise Server with Apache 2.0.48
>>>I need Windows for 3rd part application, but because I hate IIS so I am
>>>using Apache2(the best!!!).
>>>
>>>1)Does somebody can help me with configuration of Tomcat 5.0.18
>>>for multiple hosts? I need to deploy
>>>servlets separately for each user. Access will be configured in
>>>httpd.conf of Apache2.0.48 Some people uses multiples instances of Tomcat for each user.
>>>Somebody uses one instance of Jboss with various deployed folders (its actually my configuration
>>>now). But I need to do that trick with Tomcat. The biggest problem for
>>>me now - its to configure server.xml for two or more hosts. I cant
>>>find it in documentation. If you can help with with any tips and/or your examples of
>>>httpd.conf, workers.prop..s etc. (all related parts of configuration
>>>of the servers) - please help.
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>
>AFB> I have never set up VirtualHosts in Tomcat. But if you do not need to
>AFB> have a "root" app, you do not need to (or at list I did not need to).
>AFB> Just "mount" the apps you need in the Apache VirtualHosts you need, and
>AFB> you are done.
>
>  
>
>>>2) How I can configure memory management for Tomcat (limits for memory using for each
>>>process/application)? Is it possible somehow?
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>
>AFB> Not possible when using a single JVM.
>AFB> If you use multiple instances of Tomcat, you can set -Xmx256m (or
>AFB> whatever amount you need) in JAVA_OPTS environment variable. That will
>AFB> effectively limit the amount of memory used by your heap.
>
>  
>
>>>3) I have a problem with garbage of JVM caching. Any suggestions how I
>>>can organize "autocleaning"? How can I minimize the usage of the disk
>>>in this case?
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>AFB> What do you mean by disk usage? How is that related do "autocleaning",
>AFB> which I understand as "garbage collection"?
>
>AFB> Do you mean swapping? If so, ensure that your JVM is at most as big as
>AFB> your free _real_ memory. Otherwise, your OS qill start swapping unused
>AFB> bits. Then, the GC will reclaim them for collection. So, you are 
>AFB> accessing the disk at least twice for something you could have avoided.
>AFB> (Side note: Get more RAM ;-)
>
>AFB> In any case, profiling your applications is a good way to go: you willl
>AFB> determine whether your app grows in memory usage with time, or if it
>AFB> remains constant. (Consider the former a bug.) If memory usage remains
>AFB> constant, you can stress your app, and determine how much memory it
>AFB> needs for "full load", and then you may allow it (JAVA_OPTS) no more
>AFB> than that, knowing it will work.
>
>
>AFB> Yours,
>
>
>AFB> Antonio Fiol
>
>
>
>
>  
>

Re[2]: Help! Config of multiple hosts and JVM garbage.

[Sergio <Ap...@yandex.ru>]

Hello, Antonio.
1) You are absolutely right about mounting, but also I figure it out
with jk2 connector (I find it in docs - it seems I was a little tired to find it
before:)). I've tryed to done it with mod_jk, but the problem was that
I want to give access to their sites with FTP and limit this space up
to "public_html" for each user and do not give them permissions to
access to "webapps" for example.
2) Thanks it helps!
3) Yeap;) you right its "garbage collection". Thanks for suggestions.
I have just 512 RAM (its HP ML330) - I know its not enough but we are
poor people:)

Thank you for help!!!


AFB> Sergio wrote:

>>Hi All! Guys, I need help!
>>My system is Windows 2003 Enterprise Server with Apache 2.0.48
>>I need Windows for 3rd part application, but because I hate IIS so I am
>>using Apache2(the best!!!).
>>
>>1)Does somebody can help me with configuration of Tomcat 5.0.18
>>for multiple hosts? I need to deploy
>>servlets separately for each user. Access will be configured in
>>httpd.conf of Apache2.0.48 Some people uses multiples instances of Tomcat for each user.
>>Somebody uses one instance of Jboss with various deployed folders (its actually my configuration
>>now). But I need to do that trick with Tomcat. The biggest problem for
>>me now - its to configure server.xml for two or more hosts. I cant
>>find it in documentation. If you can help with with any tips and/or your examples of
>>httpd.conf, workers.prop..s etc. (all related parts of configuration
>>of the servers) - please help.
>>  
>>

AFB> I have never set up VirtualHosts in Tomcat. But if you do not need to
AFB> have a "root" app, you do not need to (or at list I did not need to).
AFB> Just "mount" the apps you need in the Apache VirtualHosts you need, and
AFB> you are done.

>>2) How I can configure memory management for Tomcat (limits for memory using for each
>>process/application)? Is it possible somehow?
>>  
>>

AFB> Not possible when using a single JVM.
AFB> If you use multiple instances of Tomcat, you can set -Xmx256m (or
AFB> whatever amount you need) in JAVA_OPTS environment variable. That will
AFB> effectively limit the amount of memory used by your heap.

>>3) I have a problem with garbage of JVM caching. Any suggestions how I
>>can organize "autocleaning"? How can I minimize the usage of the disk
>>in this case?
>>  
>>
AFB> What do you mean by disk usage? How is that related do "autocleaning",
AFB> which I understand as "garbage collection"?

AFB> Do you mean swapping? If so, ensure that your JVM is at most as big as
AFB> your free _real_ memory. Otherwise, your OS qill start swapping unused
AFB> bits. Then, the GC will reclaim them for collection. So, you are 
AFB> accessing the disk at least twice for something you could have avoided.
AFB> (Side note: Get more RAM ;-)

AFB> In any case, profiling your applications is a good way to go: you willl
AFB> determine whether your app grows in memory usage with time, or if it
AFB> remains constant. (Consider the former a bug.) If memory usage remains
AFB> constant, you can stress your app, and determine how much memory it
AFB> needs for "full load", and then you may allow it (JAVA_OPTS) no more
AFB> than that, knowing it will work.


AFB> Yours,


AFB> Antonio Fiol




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Re: Help! Config of multiple hosts and JVM garbage.

[Antonio Fiol Bonnín <fi...@terra.es>]

Sergio wrote:

>Hi All! Guys, I need help!
>My system is Windows 2003 Enterprise Server with Apache 2.0.48
>I need Windows for 3rd part application, but because I hate IIS so I am
>using Apache2(the best!!!).
>
>1)Does somebody can help me with configuration of Tomcat 5.0.18 for multiple hosts? I need to deploy
>servlets separately for each user. Access will be configured in
>httpd.conf of Apache2.0.48 Some people uses multiples instances of Tomcat for each user.
>Somebody uses one instance of Jboss with various deployed folders (its actually my configuration
>now). But I need to do that trick with Tomcat. The biggest problem for
>me now - its to configure server.xml for two or more hosts. I cant
>find it in documentation. If you can help with with any tips and/or your examples of
>httpd.conf, workers.prop..s etc. (all related parts of configuration
>of the servers) - please help.
>  
>

I have never set up VirtualHosts in Tomcat. But if you do not need to 
have a "root" app, you do not need to (or at list I did not need to). 
Just "mount" the apps you need in the Apache VirtualHosts you need, and 
you are done.

>2) How I can configure memory management for Tomcat (limits for memory using for each
>process/application)? Is it possible somehow?
>  
>

Not possible when using a single JVM.
If you use multiple instances of Tomcat, you can set -Xmx256m (or 
whatever amount you need) in JAVA_OPTS environment variable. That will 
effectively limit the amount of memory used by your heap.

>3) I have a problem with garbage of JVM caching. Any suggestions how I
>can organize "autocleaning"? How can I minimize the usage of the disk
>in this case?
>  
>
What do you mean by disk usage? How is that related do "autocleaning", 
which I understand as "garbage collection"?

Do you mean swapping? If so, ensure that your JVM is at most as big as 
your free _real_ memory. Otherwise, your OS qill start swapping unused 
bits. Then, the GC will reclaim them for collection. So, you are 
accessing the disk at least twice for something you could have avoided. 
(Side note: Get more RAM ;-)

In any case, profiling your applications is a good way to go: you willl 
determine whether your app grows in memory usage with time, or if it 
remains constant. (Consider the former a bug.) If memory usage remains 
constant, you can stress your app, and determine how much memory it 
needs for "full load", and then you may allow it (JAVA_OPTS) no more 
than that, knowing it will work.


Yours,


Antonio Fiol