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Posted to log4j-dev@logging.apache.org by Ceki Gülcü <ce...@qos.ch> on 2004/12/14 21:51:00 UTC
Recent bug fixes WAS: [GUMP@brutus]: Project logging-log4j
Hello Yoav,
Thanks for the recent flurry of bug fixes. With your permission, I
will go over the bug fixes one by one, checking that the bug fix
suggested by the user should really be applied. Obviously, only fixes
which are problematic will be reverted. Thus, this verification
process will inherently depict events under an ungrateful light.
Anyway, I wanted to thank you again for this much needed clean up work.
At 01:24 PM 12/14/2004, Yoav Shapira wrote:
>Hi,
>This would be my doing -- sorry about that. I swear it built cleanly from
>scratch before I committed it. Will go fix...
>
>Yoav
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Re: Recent bug fixes WAS: [GUMP@brutus]: Project logging-log4j
Posted by Ceki Gülcü <ce...@qos.ch>.
Yoav,
206 to 99? Vow. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the Bugzilla
notifications got lost because log4j-dev@jakarta mailing list was
disabled. What a bummer.
Anyway, it's enabled now. Thanks again for your work!
At 01:35 AM 12/15/2004, Yoav Shapira wrote:
>Hi,
>As of this afternoon, my work has shrunk the number of open issues from 206 to
>99. There are a ton more that are either easy to do or irrelevant and can be
>closed as such. There are also several issues which are simply good (not
>trivial, not irrelevant) and would be nice additions to log4j. Time is the
>only limiting factor, as always ;) But as I said before, I think log4j 1.3 is
>a wonderful opportunity to clean up our Bugzilla...
>
>Yoav
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Re: Recent bug fixes WAS: [GUMP@brutus]: Project logging-log4j
Posted by Ceki Gülcü <ce...@qos.ch>.
We currently have much more important items on our plate than moving
to JIRA. The weekly generated bug list was just additional noise that
I can live without.
At 01:27 PM 12/15/2004, Yoav Shapira wrote:
>Hi,
>-1 on moving to JIRA, for reasons discussed at length on various lists,
>especially general@jakarta. My reasons are only slightly about technical
>merit: even if JIRA is superior, it is only slightly so. My reasons are more
>with the purpose of the ASF, and using a commercial piece of software when a
>good free alternative exists. I know JIRA is free for OSS use, but not for
>other use, and we're giving them much much more in publicity/marketing value
>then they're giving us in technical value.
At this juncture, I am also -1.
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Re: Recent bug fixes WAS: [GUMP@brutus]: Project logging-log4j
Posted by Asgeir Nilsen <As...@telenor.com>.
Curt Arnold wrote:
> I assume the infrastructure team is pretty adept at migrating Bugzilla
> databases. I wouldn't do it in the middle of a iteration but at the
> next alpha might be ok.
It is also documented at
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JIRABugzillaMigration
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Re: Recent bug fixes WAS: [GUMP@brutus]: Project logging-log4j
Posted by Curt Arnold <ca...@apache.org>.
On Dec 14, 2004, at 9:32 PM, Paul Smith wrote:
> I put a proposal to move log4j over to JIRA a while back, but it did
> not seem to go down well. We've been using JIRA here at work for a
> while now, and I get so frustrated with any Bugzilla I have to deal
> with now.
>
> But I'll support whatever this community wants. I understand that it
> is a distraction from log4j work (and frankly I don't have a lot of
> time for that at the moment), but I think moving to JIRA is a better
> long term move for the community.
>
There was a recent discussion on general@logging.apache.org about the
incubation status of log4cxx and log4net. One of the issues was the
current lack of a bug reporting mechanism for log4net. It doesn't
appear that log4php has a bug reporting mechanism either. If log4net
or log4php adopted JIRA, it would be good to have log4j migrate so the
logging projects would be consistent.
I assume the infrastructure team is pretty adept at migrating Bugzilla
databases. I wouldn't do it in the middle of a iteration but at the
next alpha might be ok.
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RE: Recent bug fixes WAS: [GUMP@brutus]: Project logging-log4j
Posted by Andy McBride <an...@pcmsgroup.com>.
Sorry, did not mean to spark a lengthy debate about jira just at the
moment - next time I'll keep my complaining to myself :-)
I was only really interested in where the summary reports went.
Thanks for the response, at least now I know its not just me.
Regards
Andy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yoav Shapira [mailto:yoavs@apache.org]
> Sent: 15 December 2004 12:27
> To: Log4J Developers List
> Subject: Re: Recent bug fixes WAS: [GUMP@brutus]: Project
> logging-log4j
>
>
> Hi,
> -1 on moving to JIRA, for reasons discussed at length on
> various lists, especially general@jakarta. My reasons are
> only slightly about technical
> merit: even if JIRA is superior, it is only slightly so. My
> reasons are more with the purpose of the ASF, and using a
> commercial piece of software when a good free alternative
> exists. I know JIRA is free for OSS use, but not for other
> use, and we're giving them much much more in
> publicity/marketing value then they're giving us in technical value.
>
> This is just a brief summary -- if you're curious for
> at-length explanations and discussions of the above
> reasoning, check out the general@jakarta mailing list
> archives from about 2 months ago. If all the other
> committers feel really strongly about JIRA, then in a formal
> vote I suppose I'd change to a -0 so as not to prevent the
> move by myself.
>
> As for daily reports: not only are they easy to generate as
> email to the list from Bugzilla, but we used to have them.
> They seem to have gone away, maybe as part of the domain move
> to logging.apache.org.
>
> Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com
>
> --- Paul Smith <ps...@aconex.com> wrote:
>
> > I put a proposal to move log4j over to JIRA a while back,
> but it did
> > not
> > seem to go down well. We've been using JIRA here at work
> for a while
> > now, and I get so frustrated with any Bugzilla I have to
> deal with now.
> >
> > But I'll support whatever this community wants. I
> understand that it
> > is
> > a distraction from log4j work (and frankly I don't have a
> lot of time
> > for that at the moment), but I think moving to JIRA is a
> better long
> > term move for the community.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Paul Smith
> >
> > Curt Arnold wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Dec 14, 2004, at 7:27 PM, Andy McBride wrote:
> > >
> > >> Do all apache projects use this bugzilla? I know its very
> > >> functional but... give me a nice jira interface anyday
> (free for
> > >> open-source projects I believe).
> > >> If anyone has any info on getting a simple summary
> report out of
> > >> bugzilla (preferably automatic by email) it would be good.
> > >>
> > >
> > > The Apache JIRA server is at http://nagoya.apache.org/jira and is
> > > used by log4cxx among others.
> > >
> > > Other projects appear to have a scheduled job that generates a
> > > weekly
> > > open bug report and mails to the mailing list. See
> > > http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?
> > > listName=dev@apr.apache.org&msgId=1144762 for an example.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Recent bug fixes WAS: [GUMP@brutus]: Project logging-log4j
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hi,
-1 on moving to JIRA, for reasons discussed at length on various lists,
especially general@jakarta. My reasons are only slightly about technical
merit: even if JIRA is superior, it is only slightly so. My reasons are more
with the purpose of the ASF, and using a commercial piece of software when a
good free alternative exists. I know JIRA is free for OSS use, but not for
other use, and we're giving them much much more in publicity/marketing value
then they're giving us in technical value.
This is just a brief summary -- if you're curious for at-length explanations
and discussions of the above reasoning, check out the general@jakarta mailing
list archives from about 2 months ago. If all the other committers feel really
strongly about JIRA, then in a formal vote I suppose I'd change to a -0 so as
not to prevent the move by myself.
As for daily reports: not only are they easy to generate as email to the list
from Bugzilla, but we used to have them. They seem to have gone away, maybe as
part of the domain move to logging.apache.org.
Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com
--- Paul Smith <ps...@aconex.com> wrote:
> I put a proposal to move log4j over to JIRA a while back, but it did not
> seem to go down well. We've been using JIRA here at work for a while
> now, and I get so frustrated with any Bugzilla I have to deal with now.
>
> But I'll support whatever this community wants. I understand that it is
> a distraction from log4j work (and frankly I don't have a lot of time
> for that at the moment), but I think moving to JIRA is a better long
> term move for the community.
>
> cheers,
>
> Paul Smith
>
> Curt Arnold wrote:
>
> >
> > On Dec 14, 2004, at 7:27 PM, Andy McBride wrote:
> >
> >> Do all apache projects use this bugzilla? I know its very
> >> functional but... give me a nice jira interface anyday (free for
> >> open-source projects I believe).
> >> If anyone has any info on getting a simple summary report out of
> >> bugzilla (preferably automatic by email) it would be good.
> >>
> >
> > The Apache JIRA server is at http://nagoya.apache.org/jira and is
> > used by log4cxx among others.
> >
> > Other projects appear to have a scheduled job that generates a weekly
> > open bug report and mails to the mailing list. See
> > http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?
> > listName=dev@apr.apache.org&msgId=1144762 for an example.
> >
> >
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> *Software Architect
>
>
>
> *Aconex
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Re: Recent bug fixes WAS: [GUMP@brutus]: Project logging-log4j
Posted by Paul Smith <ps...@aconex.com>.
I put a proposal to move log4j over to JIRA a while back, but it did not
seem to go down well. We've been using JIRA here at work for a while
now, and I get so frustrated with any Bugzilla I have to deal with now.
But I'll support whatever this community wants. I understand that it is
a distraction from log4j work (and frankly I don't have a lot of time
for that at the moment), but I think moving to JIRA is a better long
term move for the community.
cheers,
Paul Smith
Curt Arnold wrote:
>
> On Dec 14, 2004, at 7:27 PM, Andy McBride wrote:
>
>> Do all apache projects use this bugzilla? I know its very
>> functional but... give me a nice jira interface anyday (free for
>> open-source projects I believe).
>> If anyone has any info on getting a simple summary report out of
>> bugzilla (preferably automatic by email) it would be good.
>>
>
> The Apache JIRA server is at http://nagoya.apache.org/jira and is
> used by log4cxx among others.
>
> Other projects appear to have a scheduled job that generates a weekly
> open bug report and mails to the mailing list. See
> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?
> listName=dev@apr.apache.org&msgId=1144762 for an example.
>
>
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Re: Recent bug fixes WAS: [GUMP@brutus]: Project logging-log4j
Posted by Curt Arnold <ca...@apache.org>.
On Dec 14, 2004, at 7:27 PM, Andy McBride wrote:
> Do all apache projects use this bugzilla? I know its very functional
> but... give me a nice jira interface anyday (free for open-source
> projects I believe).
> If anyone has any info on getting a simple summary report out of
> bugzilla (preferably automatic by email) it would be good.
>
The Apache JIRA server is at http://nagoya.apache.org/jira and is used
by log4cxx among others.
Other projects appear to have a scheduled job that generates a weekly
open bug report and mails to the mailing list. See
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?
listName=dev@apr.apache.org&msgId=1144762 for an example.
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Re: Recent bug fixes WAS: [GUMP@brutus]: Project logging-log4j
Posted by Andy McBride <an...@pcmsgroup.com>.
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:35:13 -0800 (PST)
Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
>Hi,
>As of this afternoon, my work has shrunk the number of
>open issues from 206 to
>99.
Wow! Could we keep this quiet please... if my boss finds
out he's going to want to know why I can only fix five a
day :-)
>There are a ton more that are either easy to do or
>irrelevant and can be
>closed as such. There are also several issues which are
>simply good (not
>trivial, not irrelevant) and would be nice additions to
>log4j. Time is the
>only limiting factor, as always ;) But as I said before,
>I think log4j 1.3 is
>a wonderful opportunity to clean up our Bugzilla...
Do all apache projects use this bugzilla? I know its very
functional but... give me a nice jira interface anyday
(free for open-source projects I believe).
If anyone has any info on getting a simple summary report
out of bugzilla (preferably automatic by email) it would
be good.
Cheers
Andy
>
>Yoav
>
>--- Andy McBride <an...@pcmsgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I used to get regular emails with a summary of open
>>log4j
>> bugs but I don't seem to have received one for quite a
>> while.
>>
>> Has something changed with the bugzilla config since the
>> move to logging.apache.org or is it just me not seeing
>> them?
>>
>> It's a shame as it gave a good view of the quality of
>>the
>> software (IMHO) and I didn't have to try and figure out
>> the complexities of the bugzilla reporting pages! :-(
>>
>> Does anyone have any idea where this feature went? It
>> would be good to see the impact of Yoav's current
>> bug-fest!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:51:00 +0100
>> Ceki Gülcü <ce...@qos.ch> wrote:
>> >
>> >Hello Yoav,
>> >
>> >Thanks for the recent flurry of bug fixes. With your
>> >permission, I
>> >will go over the bug fixes one by one, checking that
>>the
>> >bug fix
>> >suggested by the user should really be applied.
>> >Obviously, only fixes
>> >which are problematic will be reverted. Thus, this
>> >verification
>> >process will inherently depict events under an
>>ungrateful
>> >light.
>> >
>> >Anyway, I wanted to thank you again for this much
>>needed
>> >clean up work.
>> >
>> >At 01:24 PM 12/14/2004, Yoav Shapira wrote:
>> >>Hi,
>> >>This would be my doing -- sorry about that. I swear
>>it
>> >>built cleanly from
>> >>scratch before I committed it. Will go fix...
>> >>
>> >>Yoav
>> >
>> >--
>> >Ceki Gülcü
>> >
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>> >
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Re: Recent bug fixes WAS: [GUMP@brutus]: Project logging-log4j
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hi,
As of this afternoon, my work has shrunk the number of open issues from 206 to
99. There are a ton more that are either easy to do or irrelevant and can be
closed as such. There are also several issues which are simply good (not
trivial, not irrelevant) and would be nice additions to log4j. Time is the
only limiting factor, as always ;) But as I said before, I think log4j 1.3 is
a wonderful opportunity to clean up our Bugzilla...
Yoav
--- Andy McBride <an...@pcmsgroup.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I used to get regular emails with a summary of open log4j
> bugs but I don't seem to have received one for quite a
> while.
>
> Has something changed with the bugzilla config since the
> move to logging.apache.org or is it just me not seeing
> them?
>
> It's a shame as it gave a good view of the quality of the
> software (IMHO) and I didn't have to try and figure out
> the complexities of the bugzilla reporting pages! :-(
>
> Does anyone have any idea where this feature went? It
> would be good to see the impact of Yoav's current
> bug-fest!
>
> Regards
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:51:00 +0100
> Ceki G�lc� <ce...@qos.ch> wrote:
> >
> >Hello Yoav,
> >
> >Thanks for the recent flurry of bug fixes. With your
> >permission, I
> >will go over the bug fixes one by one, checking that the
> >bug fix
> >suggested by the user should really be applied.
> >Obviously, only fixes
> >which are problematic will be reverted. Thus, this
> >verification
> >process will inherently depict events under an ungrateful
> >light.
> >
> >Anyway, I wanted to thank you again for this much needed
> >clean up work.
> >
> >At 01:24 PM 12/14/2004, Yoav Shapira wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>This would be my doing -- sorry about that. I swear it
> >>built cleanly from
> >>scratch before I committed it. Will go fix...
> >>
> >>Yoav
> >
> >--
> >Ceki G�lc�
> >
> > The complete log4j manual: http://qos.ch/log4j/
> >
> >
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Re: Recent bug fixes WAS: [GUMP@brutus]: Project logging-log4j
Posted by Andy McBride <an...@pcmsgroup.com>.
Hi,
I used to get regular emails with a summary of open log4j
bugs but I don't seem to have received one for quite a
while.
Has something changed with the bugzilla config since the
move to logging.apache.org or is it just me not seeing
them?
It's a shame as it gave a good view of the quality of the
software (IMHO) and I didn't have to try and figure out
the complexities of the bugzilla reporting pages! :-(
Does anyone have any idea where this feature went? It
would be good to see the impact of Yoav's current
bug-fest!
Regards
Andy
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:51:00 +0100
Ceki Gülcü <ce...@qos.ch> wrote:
>
>Hello Yoav,
>
>Thanks for the recent flurry of bug fixes. With your
>permission, I
>will go over the bug fixes one by one, checking that the
>bug fix
>suggested by the user should really be applied.
>Obviously, only fixes
>which are problematic will be reverted. Thus, this
>verification
>process will inherently depict events under an ungrateful
>light.
>
>Anyway, I wanted to thank you again for this much needed
>clean up work.
>
>At 01:24 PM 12/14/2004, Yoav Shapira wrote:
>>Hi,
>>This would be my doing -- sorry about that. I swear it
>>built cleanly from
>>scratch before I committed it. Will go fix...
>>
>>Yoav
>
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>Ceki Gülcü
>
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Re: Recent bug fixes WAS: [GUMP@brutus]: Project logging-log4j
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hi,
No problem. This checking is expected and welcome, not just from you but from
other committers as well. Bugs and issues that I thought were border-line I
tried to mark as such, either in the code or in the commit remarks.
This is also why I made the commits have a one-to-one relationship with
specific Bugzilla items. It makes undoing of any one commit trivial...
Yoav
--- Ceki G�lc� <ce...@qos.ch> wrote:
>
> Hello Yoav,
>
> Thanks for the recent flurry of bug fixes. With your permission, I
> will go over the bug fixes one by one, checking that the bug fix
> suggested by the user should really be applied. Obviously, only fixes
> which are problematic will be reverted. Thus, this verification
> process will inherently depict events under an ungrateful light.
>
> Anyway, I wanted to thank you again for this much needed clean up work.
>
> At 01:24 PM 12/14/2004, Yoav Shapira wrote:
> >Hi,
> >This would be my doing -- sorry about that. I swear it built cleanly from
> >scratch before I committed it. Will go fix...
> >
> >Yoav
>
> --
> Ceki G�lc�
>
> The complete log4j manual: http://qos.ch/log4j/
>
>
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