You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Xavier Hanin <xa...@gmail.com> on 2007/05/22 11:21:13 UTC
to brand or not to brand?
Hi,
I'm currently preparing an article on Ivy, and I'd like to know if
it's better to talk about Apache Ivy, or simply Ivy. The rules about
branding are still not clear for me, sorry if I missed an obvious
link.
So, any recommendation or link?
Xavier
--
Xavier Hanin - Independent Java Consultant
Manage your dependencies with Ivy!
http://incubator.apache.org/ivy/
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: to brand or not to brand?
Posted by Paul Fremantle <pz...@gmail.com>.
Yes, the advice is completely right.
Paul
On 5/22/07, Xavier Hanin <xa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It makes sense, thanks!
>
> Xavier
>
> On 5/22/07, Brett Porter <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > As I understand it, you need to call it Apache Ivy on first reference,
> > and mention prominently that it is "currently undergoing incubation at
> > the Apache Software Foundation" (or something like that).
> >
> > - Brett
> >
> > On 22/05/07, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > On 5/22/07, Xavier Hanin <xa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > ...I'm currently preparing an article on Ivy, and I'd like to know if
> > > > it's better to talk about Apache Ivy, or simply Ivy. The rules about
> > > > branding are still not clear for me, sorry if I missed an obvious
> > > > link....
> > >
> > > IMHO it'd be good to say "Apache Ivy" in places like the article
> > > title, and just "Ivy" in the article text.
> > >
> > > Like for a car, you'd say "Triumph Spitfire" in the title and just
> > > "the Spitfire" in the text.
> > >
> > > But I don't know if there are more precise rules.
> > >
> > > -Bertrand
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Xavier Hanin - Independent Java Consultant
> Manage your dependencies with Ivy!
> http://incubator.apache.org/ivy/
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
--
Paul Fremantle
Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2
OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org
paul@wso2.com
"Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: to brand or not to brand?
Posted by Xavier Hanin <xa...@gmail.com>.
It makes sense, thanks!
Xavier
On 5/22/07, Brett Porter <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As I understand it, you need to call it Apache Ivy on first reference,
> and mention prominently that it is "currently undergoing incubation at
> the Apache Software Foundation" (or something like that).
>
> - Brett
>
> On 22/05/07, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On 5/22/07, Xavier Hanin <xa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > ...I'm currently preparing an article on Ivy, and I'd like to know if
> > > it's better to talk about Apache Ivy, or simply Ivy. The rules about
> > > branding are still not clear for me, sorry if I missed an obvious
> > > link....
> >
> > IMHO it'd be good to say "Apache Ivy" in places like the article
> > title, and just "Ivy" in the article text.
> >
> > Like for a car, you'd say "Triumph Spitfire" in the title and just
> > "the Spitfire" in the text.
> >
> > But I don't know if there are more precise rules.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
--
Xavier Hanin - Independent Java Consultant
Manage your dependencies with Ivy!
http://incubator.apache.org/ivy/
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: to brand or not to brand?
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@gmail.com>.
As I understand it, you need to call it Apache Ivy on first reference,
and mention prominently that it is "currently undergoing incubation at
the Apache Software Foundation" (or something like that).
- Brett
On 22/05/07, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 5/22/07, Xavier Hanin <xa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...I'm currently preparing an article on Ivy, and I'd like to know if
> > it's better to talk about Apache Ivy, or simply Ivy. The rules about
> > branding are still not clear for me, sorry if I missed an obvious
> > link....
>
> IMHO it'd be good to say "Apache Ivy" in places like the article
> title, and just "Ivy" in the article text.
>
> Like for a car, you'd say "Triumph Spitfire" in the title and just
> "the Spitfire" in the text.
>
> But I don't know if there are more precise rules.
>
> -Bertrand
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: to brand or not to brand?
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On 5/22/07, Xavier Hanin <xa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...I'm currently preparing an article on Ivy, and I'd like to know if
> it's better to talk about Apache Ivy, or simply Ivy. The rules about
> branding are still not clear for me, sorry if I missed an obvious
> link....
IMHO it'd be good to say "Apache Ivy" in places like the article
title, and just "Ivy" in the article text.
Like for a car, you'd say "Triumph Spitfire" in the title and just
"the Spitfire" in the text.
But I don't know if there are more precise rules.
-Bertrand
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: to brand or not to brand?
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
On 5/22/07, Xavier Hanin <xa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mmm, it's still not completely clear. Is the phrase "However, the
> Public Relations Committee MUST review any releases by affiliated
> organizations or groups to ensure they comply with these branding
> guidelines." referring to press release announcing the podling only,
> or to all press releases? Since it seems it's not allowed to issue
> press releases announcing the release, I'd think it's for press
> releases that reference the podling. And that's what my article will
> do, reference the podling.
I think the gist is in the term "Press release". I think a press
release is something other than an article. A press release is
something like "Foo is adopting Apache Ivy in its product line and
providing professional support for it." and send it across the wire,
i.e. an announcement.
This is of course something different than "This is how you manage
your Java project dependencies using Apache Ivy, currently undergoing
incubation at the Apache Incubator." which is published on
theserverside.com and/or infoq.
> So I'll follow Niclas advice and submit the article to the PRC, it
> doesn't hurt (well, I hope :-))
True, but it might wake up sleeping dogs :)
Martijn
--
Join the wicket community at irc.freenode.net: ##wicket
Wicket 1.2.6 contains a very important fix. Download Wicket now!
http://wicketframework.org
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: to brand or not to brand?
Posted by Paul Fremantle <pz...@gmail.com>.
As a lurker on PRC, I've never seen an article sent for review. I
don't think its necessary. Paul
On 5/22/07, Xavier Hanin <xa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mmm, it's still not completely clear. Is the phrase "However, the
> Public Relations Committee MUST review any releases by affiliated
> organizations or groups to ensure they comply with these branding
> guidelines." referring to press release announcing the podling only,
> or to all press releases? Since it seems it's not allowed to issue
> press releases announcing the release, I'd think it's for press
> releases that reference the podling. And that's what my article will
> do, reference the podling.
>
> So I'll follow Niclas advice and submit the article to the PRC, it
> doesn't hurt (well, I hope :-))
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Xavier
>
> On 5/22/07, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just read it and it seems to me that the technical article Xavier is
> > trying to publish would not need to be passed to the PRC.
> >
> > In my understanding this falls in the category of informal pr
> > activities, as long as the article is not intended as a press release
> > announcing the Podling.
> >
> > But I always look for the most broad and beneficial pov for a project
> > of course. :)
> >
> > [...]
> > A podling and affiliated persons can issue press releases that
> > reference the podling, but cannot issue press releases with the
> > specific intent of announcing the Podling. Podling can conduct
> > informal pr activities, such as media outreach, blog publicity, etc.
> > The ASF will not issue any press releases for any podling at this
> > stage. However, the Public Relations Committee MUST review any
> > releases by affiliated organizations or groups to ensure they comply
> > with these branding guidelines.
> > [...]
> >
> > Martijn
> >
> > --
> > Learn Wicket at ApacheCon Europe: http://apachecon.com
> > Join the wicket community at irc.freenode.net: ##wicket
> > Wicket 1.2.6 contains a very important fix. Download Wicket now!
> > http://wicketframework.org
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Xavier Hanin - Independent Java Consultant
> Manage your dependencies with Ivy!
> http://incubator.apache.org/ivy/
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
--
Paul Fremantle
Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2
OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org
paul@wso2.com
"Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: to brand or not to brand?
Posted by Xavier Hanin <xa...@gmail.com>.
Mmm, it's still not completely clear. Is the phrase "However, the
Public Relations Committee MUST review any releases by affiliated
organizations or groups to ensure they comply with these branding
guidelines." referring to press release announcing the podling only,
or to all press releases? Since it seems it's not allowed to issue
press releases announcing the release, I'd think it's for press
releases that reference the podling. And that's what my article will
do, reference the podling.
So I'll follow Niclas advice and submit the article to the PRC, it
doesn't hurt (well, I hope :-))
Thanks for your help,
Xavier
On 5/22/07, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just read it and it seems to me that the technical article Xavier is
> trying to publish would not need to be passed to the PRC.
>
> In my understanding this falls in the category of informal pr
> activities, as long as the article is not intended as a press release
> announcing the Podling.
>
> But I always look for the most broad and beneficial pov for a project
> of course. :)
>
> [...]
> A podling and affiliated persons can issue press releases that
> reference the podling, but cannot issue press releases with the
> specific intent of announcing the Podling. Podling can conduct
> informal pr activities, such as media outreach, blog publicity, etc.
> The ASF will not issue any press releases for any podling at this
> stage. However, the Public Relations Committee MUST review any
> releases by affiliated organizations or groups to ensure they comply
> with these branding guidelines.
> [...]
>
> Martijn
>
> --
> Learn Wicket at ApacheCon Europe: http://apachecon.com
> Join the wicket community at irc.freenode.net: ##wicket
> Wicket 1.2.6 contains a very important fix. Download Wicket now!
> http://wicketframework.org
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
--
Xavier Hanin - Independent Java Consultant
Manage your dependencies with Ivy!
http://incubator.apache.org/ivy/
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: to brand or not to brand?
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 20:50, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> I just read it and it seems to me that the technical article Xavier is
> trying to publish would not need to be passed to the PRC.
Better safe than sorry... ;o)
Cheers
Niclas
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: to brand or not to brand?
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
I just read it and it seems to me that the technical article Xavier is
trying to publish would not need to be passed to the PRC.
In my understanding this falls in the category of informal pr
activities, as long as the article is not intended as a press release
announcing the Podling.
But I always look for the most broad and beneficial pov for a project
of course. :)
[...]
A podling and affiliated persons can issue press releases that
reference the podling, but cannot issue press releases with the
specific intent of announcing the Podling. Podling can conduct
informal pr activities, such as media outreach, blog publicity, etc.
The ASF will not issue any press releases for any podling at this
stage. However, the Public Relations Committee MUST review any
releases by affiliated organizations or groups to ensure they comply
with these branding guidelines.
[...]
Martijn
--
Learn Wicket at ApacheCon Europe: http://apachecon.com
Join the wicket community at irc.freenode.net: ##wicket
Wicket 1.2.6 contains a very important fix. Download Wicket now!
http://wicketframework.org
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: to brand or not to brand?
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 5/22/07, Xavier Hanin <xa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/22/07, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 22 May 2007 17:21, Xavier Hanin wrote:
<snip>
> > > So, any recommendation or link?
> >
> > All public announcements should be run through the PRC, to ensure accuracy.
> > So, I suggest that you post your article ahead of time to prc@apache.org for
> > comment and approvals. If they say Yes, you are in the clear and won't get
> > any bad comments later if there are something incorrect mentioned.
> Ok I wasn't aware of the PRC, and I'm still in trouble to get accurate
> information, google only told me about a few mailing list archive
> about the Public Relations Committee.
there's something wonderful about the apache public relations
committee keeping such a low profile :-)
- robert
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
RE: to brand or not to brand?
Posted by Gilles Scokart <gs...@gmail.com>.
I'm pretty sure you already read it. But in case you don't, see
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
Gilles
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Xavier Hanin [mailto:xavier.hanin@gmail.com]
> Sent: mardi 22 mai 2007 14:28
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: to brand or not to brand?
>
> On 5/22/07, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 22 May 2007 17:21, Xavier Hanin wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm currently preparing an article on Ivy, and I'd like to know if
> > > it's better to talk about Apache Ivy, or simply Ivy. The rules about
> > > branding are still not clear for me, sorry if I missed an obvious
> > > link.
> > >
> > > So, any recommendation or link?
> >
> > All public announcements should be run through the PRC, to ensure
> accuracy.
> > So, I suggest that you post your article ahead of time to prc@apache.org
> for
> > comment and approvals. If they say Yes, you are in the clear and won't
> get
> > any bad comments later if there are something incorrect mentioned.
> Ok I wasn't aware of the PRC, and I'm still in trouble to get accurate
> information, google only told me about a few mailing list archive
> about the Public Relations Committee. But I'll post my article for
> comments and approval ahead of time as you suggest.
>
> BTW, for posting on a Blog, or on a community site, I expect we don't
> need to go through the PRC each time. So is there any rule saying when
> we have to go through the PRC or not? Furthermore, is the rule of
> going through the PRC limited to the incubation phase, or also true
> after graduation? If it's still true after, I'm really wondering how
> many technical article on widely popular ASF projects go through the
> PRC in this world :-)
>
> Xavier
> >
> > Cheers
> > --
> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> >
> > I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
> > I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
> > I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Xavier Hanin - Independent Java Consultant
> Manage your dependencies with Ivy!
> http://incubator.apache.org/ivy/
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: to brand or not to brand?
Posted by Xavier Hanin <xa...@gmail.com>.
On 5/22/07, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> On Tuesday 22 May 2007 17:21, Xavier Hanin wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm currently preparing an article on Ivy, and I'd like to know if
> > it's better to talk about Apache Ivy, or simply Ivy. The rules about
> > branding are still not clear for me, sorry if I missed an obvious
> > link.
> >
> > So, any recommendation or link?
>
> All public announcements should be run through the PRC, to ensure accuracy.
> So, I suggest that you post your article ahead of time to prc@apache.org for
> comment and approvals. If they say Yes, you are in the clear and won't get
> any bad comments later if there are something incorrect mentioned.
Ok I wasn't aware of the PRC, and I'm still in trouble to get accurate
information, google only told me about a few mailing list archive
about the Public Relations Committee. But I'll post my article for
comments and approval ahead of time as you suggest.
BTW, for posting on a Blog, or on a community site, I expect we don't
need to go through the PRC each time. So is there any rule saying when
we have to go through the PRC or not? Furthermore, is the rule of
going through the PRC limited to the incubation phase, or also true
after graduation? If it's still true after, I'm really wondering how
many technical article on widely popular ASF projects go through the
PRC in this world :-)
Xavier
>
> Cheers
> --
> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
>
> I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
> I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
> I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
--
Xavier Hanin - Independent Java Consultant
Manage your dependencies with Ivy!
http://incubator.apache.org/ivy/
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: to brand or not to brand?
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 17:21, Xavier Hanin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm currently preparing an article on Ivy, and I'd like to know if
> it's better to talk about Apache Ivy, or simply Ivy. The rules about
> branding are still not clear for me, sorry if I missed an obvious
> link.
>
> So, any recommendation or link?
All public announcements should be run through the PRC, to ensure accuracy.
So, I suggest that you post your article ahead of time to prc@apache.org for
comment and approvals. If they say Yes, you are in the clear and won't get
any bad comments later if there are something incorrect mentioned.
Cheers
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org