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Posted to server-dev@james.apache.org by Fedor Karpelevitch <fe...@home.com> on 2001/03/15 20:51:57 UTC
Avalon-based News server.
Hi!
Here is the deal.
I was developing a News server based on Avalon for my company lately.
It is currenly in some Alpha stage. As my company is about to die there
would be no problem to get the news server open source (there were plans
for it anyway).
The only question is whether there is any interest in this. So basically
I am asking if anybody would be interested in
using/supporting/developing etc. such a server, as I see no point in
creating another dead-born project. It supports pluggable backend
implementations so it can be used to provide news interface to pretty
much anything fitting into the newsgroup concept (most obvious would be
mail-list archives and discussion forums). I will also be supporting it
to some degree if I am not the only one interested.
It can be set up as a separate project or may be integrated into 1)
cornerstone as another demo 2) James (but I am not quite sure if it is
actually a fit for James).
So please let me know if you or anyone else may be interested in it.
Reply to me personally or to avalon-dev (i am not subscribed to james-dev).
Thanks.
Fedor.
PS. BTW I am looking for a Java programming position in SF Bay Area so
if you have something let me know. It's appreciated.
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Re: Avalon-based News server.
Posted by Fedor Karpelevitch <fe...@home.com>.
Hi!
So it lloks like there is enough interest for it, which is good. The
product name is Jannet (JAva NNTp or something...) - you may come up
with a better name.
I will put it up on some FTP in a couple of days. Look at it and
critisize (there are some design desisions I am not happy about myself
so you I expect you not to be either). I believe that at this point it
makes most sense to make it another cornerstone demo.
As far as James is concerned, looking at it I got an impression that
although there are many similarities in main and news concepts there are
also some substantial differences which make integration questionable. I
admit though I am not quite familiar with James though.
I will also take care of repackaging and license stuff soon.
I'll post a notice when I put it to some publicly available place.
Fedor
Charles Benett wrote:
> Fedor,
> I'm definitely interested in this but I'm not sure what is the best way
> to proceed.
>
> I do see attractions to evolving James into a messaging system, so I'd
> like to see it go there eventually. A separate project usually requires
> at least 3 active developers. Also, I'm not sure that makes sense
> anyway.
>
> In the short term, I suggest adding it as a cornerstone demo. Then
> Avalon & james folk can have a look and see if integrating your news
> server with james makes sense.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Charles
>
> Fedor Karpelevitch wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Here is the deal.
>> I was developing a News server based on Avalon for my company lately.
>> It is currenly in some Alpha stage. As my company is about to die there
>> would be no problem to get the news server open source (there were plans
>> for it anyway).
>> The only question is whether there is any interest in this. So basically
>> I am asking if anybody would be interested in
>> using/supporting/developing etc. such a server, as I see no point in
>> creating another dead-born project. It supports pluggable backend
>> implementations so it can be used to provide news interface to pretty
>> much anything fitting into the newsgroup concept (most obvious would be
>> mail-list archives and discussion forums). I will also be supporting it
>> to some degree if I am not the only one interested.
>>
>> It can be set up as a separate project or may be integrated into 1)
>> cornerstone as another demo 2) James (but I am not quite sure if it is
>> actually a fit for James).
>>
>> So please let me know if you or anyone else may be interested in it.
>> Reply to me personally or to avalon-dev (i am not subscribed to james-dev).
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Fedor.
>>
>> PS. BTW I am looking for a Java programming position in SF Bay Area so
>> if you have something let me know. It's appreciated.
>
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Re: Avalon-based News server.
Posted by Charles Benett <Ch...@benett1.demon.co.uk>.
Fedor,
I'm definitely interested in this but I'm not sure what is the best way
to proceed.
I do see attractions to evolving James into a messaging system, so I'd
like to see it go there eventually. A separate project usually requires
at least 3 active developers. Also, I'm not sure that makes sense
anyway.
In the short term, I suggest adding it as a cornerstone demo. Then
Avalon & james folk can have a look and see if integrating your news
server with james makes sense.
Cheers,
Charles
Fedor Karpelevitch wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Here is the deal.
> I was developing a News server based on Avalon for my company lately.
> It is currenly in some Alpha stage. As my company is about to die there
> would be no problem to get the news server open source (there were plans
> for it anyway).
> The only question is whether there is any interest in this. So basically
> I am asking if anybody would be interested in
> using/supporting/developing etc. such a server, as I see no point in
> creating another dead-born project. It supports pluggable backend
> implementations so it can be used to provide news interface to pretty
> much anything fitting into the newsgroup concept (most obvious would be
> mail-list archives and discussion forums). I will also be supporting it
> to some degree if I am not the only one interested.
>
> It can be set up as a separate project or may be integrated into 1)
> cornerstone as another demo 2) James (but I am not quite sure if it is
> actually a fit for James).
>
> So please let me know if you or anyone else may be interested in it.
> Reply to me personally or to avalon-dev (i am not subscribed to james-dev).
>
> Thanks.
>
> Fedor.
>
> PS. BTW I am looking for a Java programming position in SF Bay Area so
> if you have something let me know. It's appreciated.
>
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Re: Avalon-based News server.
Posted by Charles Benett <Ch...@benett1.demon.co.uk>.
Fedor,
I'm definitely interested in this but I'm not sure what is the best way
to proceed.
I do see attractions to evolving James into a messaging system, so I'd
like to see it go there eventually. A separate project usually requires
at least 3 active developers. Also, I'm not sure that makes sense
anyway.
In the short term, I suggest adding it as a cornerstone demo. Then
Avalon & james folk can have a look and see if integrating your news
server with james makes sense.
Cheers,
Charles
Fedor Karpelevitch wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Here is the deal.
> I was developing a News server based on Avalon for my company lately.
> It is currenly in some Alpha stage. As my company is about to die there
> would be no problem to get the news server open source (there were plans
> for it anyway).
> The only question is whether there is any interest in this. So basically
> I am asking if anybody would be interested in
> using/supporting/developing etc. such a server, as I see no point in
> creating another dead-born project. It supports pluggable backend
> implementations so it can be used to provide news interface to pretty
> much anything fitting into the newsgroup concept (most obvious would be
> mail-list archives and discussion forums). I will also be supporting it
> to some degree if I am not the only one interested.
>
> It can be set up as a separate project or may be integrated into 1)
> cornerstone as another demo 2) James (but I am not quite sure if it is
> actually a fit for James).
>
> So please let me know if you or anyone else may be interested in it.
> Reply to me personally or to avalon-dev (i am not subscribed to james-dev).
>
> Thanks.
>
> Fedor.
>
> PS. BTW I am looking for a Java programming position in SF Bay Area so
> if you have something let me know. It's appreciated.
>
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Re: Avalon-based News server.
Posted by Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>.
At 11:51 15/3/01 -0800, Fedor Karpelevitch wrote:
>As my company is about to die there
>would be no problem to get the news server open source (there were plans
>for it anyway).
Sorry to hear about that ;(
>The only question is whether there is any interest in this. So basically
>I am asking if anybody would be interested in
>using/supporting/developing etc. such a server, as I see no point in
>creating another dead-born project.
I would be happy to help support the project as long as someone else was
there aswell ;)
>It supports pluggable backend
>implementations so it can be used to provide news interface to pretty
>much anything fitting into the newsgroup concept (most obvious would be
>mail-list archives and discussion forums). I will also be supporting it
>to some degree if I am not the only one interested.
excellent
>It can be set up as a separate project or may be integrated into 1)
>cornerstone as another demo 2) James (but I am not quite sure if it is
>actually a fit for James).
Another option is for it to live in it's own CVS. ie we could place it in
something like jakarta-avalon-newsman or jakarta-james-newsman. It really
depends on size of code and how much development it needs. If it picks up
enough contributors we could then ask for it to become a separate project.
A separate CVS may make this easier.
Would you mind posting the source at a URL so we could check it out to see
where it is at ?
Cheers,
Pete
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Re: Avalon-based News server.
Posted by Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>.
At 11:51 15/3/01 -0800, Fedor Karpelevitch wrote:
>As my company is about to die there
>would be no problem to get the news server open source (there were plans
>for it anyway).
Sorry to hear about that ;(
>The only question is whether there is any interest in this. So basically
>I am asking if anybody would be interested in
>using/supporting/developing etc. such a server, as I see no point in
>creating another dead-born project.
I would be happy to help support the project as long as someone else was
there aswell ;)
>It supports pluggable backend
>implementations so it can be used to provide news interface to pretty
>much anything fitting into the newsgroup concept (most obvious would be
>mail-list archives and discussion forums). I will also be supporting it
>to some degree if I am not the only one interested.
excellent
>It can be set up as a separate project or may be integrated into 1)
>cornerstone as another demo 2) James (but I am not quite sure if it is
>actually a fit for James).
Another option is for it to live in it's own CVS. ie we could place it in
something like jakarta-avalon-newsman or jakarta-james-newsman. It really
depends on size of code and how much development it needs. If it picks up
enough contributors we could then ask for it to become a separate project.
A separate CVS may make this easier.
Would you mind posting the source at a URL so we could check it out to see
where it is at ?
Cheers,
Pete
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| and proving that there is no need to do so - almost |
| everyone gets busy on the proof." |
| - John Kenneth Galbraith |
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