RE: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT/DISCUSS] The #magpie channel on ASF slack and other forms of chatting?

[Bartosz Sławecki <ba...@slawecki.dev>]

Hey y'all,

I'd like to help with the Discord, and Jarek has encouraged me to.
I've launched a Discord server for us, please contact me (@jslvk) and I'll send you an invite and give you an admin role.
Once you're there, feel free to share invites with other Magpie contributors.
I'd like us to see what setup works for everyone internally before we go public.
Happy to answer any questions.

Best!
Bartosz

On 2026/08/13 15:34:41 Yeonguk Choo wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> It looks like Discord has received the most support so far based on everyone's preferences.
> How about we go ahead and set up a Discord server for Magpie?
> 
> Thanks,
> Yeonguk
> 
> On 2026/08/01 15:29:41 Milamber wrote:
> > Hi Jarek,
> > 
> > As a user of Discord, it's easy to interact with a room (hook, bot, etc.) I
> > suppose that it will be interesting to have some gateway between all
> > communication tools (asf<->discord? mailing-list<->discord?, etc?)
> > 
> > So I 'vote' for discord.
> > 
> > Milamber
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Le sam. 1 août 2026 à 18:19, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> a écrit :
> > 
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Coming back to this.
> > >
> > > This thread ended up split in two (different subject prefixes), so let me
> > > pull it together. Six people weighed in and there's no consensus:
> > >
> > > - Slack: Andrew and Alex, both saying they're happy to adapt
> > > - Discord: Pavan and Yeonguk, mainly on newcomer-friendliness
> > > - Matrix: Adam, for maturity, a value-aligned non-profit, and exportable
> > >   archives
> > > - Sebb raised discoverability concerns about Matrix rather than backing an
> > >   option
> > >
> > > On that last point specifically — Adam is right and I'd treat it as
> > > settled.
> > > Element Web exists, and from the matrix.to room link it's one click behind
> > > the Continue button, listed first. Sebb, the general principle that users
> > > shouldn't have to hunt for a client is fair, but the specific claim that a
> > > newcomer must install an app doesn't hold.
> > >
> > > The thing I'd ask everyone to weigh: staying on Slack doesn't solve the
> > > problem I opened the thread for. People without an @apache.org address
> > > can't
> > > sign up on their own—they need me to hand out guest invites. For a project
> > > whose
> > > pitch is adoption by people who are mostly *not* ASF committers, our chat
> > > being invite-only to outsiders is backwards.
> > >
> > > So the real choice is Discord or Matrix, and I'll put my own view in
> > > honestly: I lean toward Discord, as it is friendlier and has more
> > > support in this thread,
> > >
> > > That's a preference, not a decision, and I'm not going to override four
> > > people on a one-vote lean. So: Discord or Matrix, which do you want? If
> > > you've already replied, a one-word answer is plenty.
> > >
> > > For now we keep #magpie on ASF Slack for those
> > > already there — this is about adding an open door, not closing one.
> > >
> > > If there will not be enough visible majority - I will call for a VOTE
> > > to settle it :)
> > >
> > > And if you need an invite, let me know.
> > >
> > > J.
> > >
> > 
> 

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT/DISCUSS] The #magpie channel on ASF slack and other forms of chatting?

[Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>]

The preview of copy of Andre's initial design proposal:

https://magpie-pr180.staged.apache.org/

From now on if a maintainer makes a /show-preview comment in a PR in
`magpie-site` repo,  the preview will be rendered (it's sticky - every time
PR is updated/rebased it will be rebuilt) and preview will be
available hunter the PR# link (link will be posted as comment). See example
comments here:
https://github.com/apache/magpie-site/pull/180#issuecomment-5705543339



J.


On Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 4:32 PM André Ahlert <an...@aex.partners> wrote:

> Nice work.
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Em ter., 15 de set. de 2026 às 09:01, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
> escreveu:
>
> > Ho ho ho!
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 2:40 PM Bartosz Sławecki <ba...@slawecki.dev>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > It will be simpler this way so here's the invite:
> > > https://discord.gg/bfVyXTgak
> > > Please introduce yourself upon joining! :-)
> > >
> > > Bartosz
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2026, at 1:48 PM, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> > > > +10 :)
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 1:47 PM Bartosz Sławecki <
> bartosz@slawecki.dev
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey y'all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to help with the Discord, and Jarek has encouraged me to.
> > > > > I've launched a Discord server for us, please contact me (@jslvk)
> and
> > > I'll
> > > > > send you an invite and give you an admin role.
> > > > > Once you're there, feel free to share invites with other Magpie
> > > > > contributors.
> > > > > I'd like us to see what setup works for everyone internally before
> we
> > > go
> > > > > public.
> > > > > Happy to answer any questions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best!
> > > > > Bartosz
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2026/08/13 15:34:41 Yeonguk Choo wrote:
> > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It looks like Discord has received the most support so far based
> on
> > > > > everyone's preferences.
> > > > > > How about we go ahead and set up a Discord server for Magpie?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Yeonguk
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2026/08/01 15:29:41 Milamber wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Jarek,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As a user of Discord, it's easy to interact with a room (hook,
> > bot,
> > > > > etc.) I
> > > > > > > suppose that it will be interesting to have some gateway
> between
> > > all
> > > > > > > communication tools (asf<->discord? mailing-list<->discord?,
> > etc?)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I 'vote' for discord.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Milamber
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Le sam. 1 août 2026 à 18:19, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> a
> > > écrit :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Coming back to this.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This thread ended up split in two (different subject
> prefixes),
> > > so
> > > > > let me
> > > > > > > > pull it together. Six people weighed in and there's no
> > consensus:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Slack: Andrew and Alex, both saying they're happy to adapt
> > > > > > > > - Discord: Pavan and Yeonguk, mainly on newcomer-friendliness
> > > > > > > > - Matrix: Adam, for maturity, a value-aligned non-profit, and
> > > > > exportable
> > > > > > > >   archives
> > > > > > > > - Sebb raised discoverability concerns about Matrix rather
> than
> > > > > backing an
> > > > > > > >   option
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On that last point specifically — Adam is right and I'd treat
> > it
> > > as
> > > > > > > > settled.
> > > > > > > > Element Web exists, and from the matrix.to room link it's
> one
> > > click
> > > > > behind
> > > > > > > > the Continue button, listed first. Sebb, the general
> principle
> > > that
> > > > > users
> > > > > > > > shouldn't have to hunt for a client is fair, but the specific
> > > claim
> > > > > that a
> > > > > > > > newcomer must install an app doesn't hold.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The thing I'd ask everyone to weigh: staying on Slack doesn't
> > > solve
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > problem I opened the thread for. People without an @
> apache.org
> > > > > address
> > > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > > sign up on their own—they need me to hand out guest invites.
> > For
> > > a
> > > > > project
> > > > > > > > whose
> > > > > > > > pitch is adoption by people who are mostly *not* ASF
> > committers,
> > > our
> > > > > chat
> > > > > > > > being invite-only to outsiders is backwards.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So the real choice is Discord or Matrix, and I'll put my own
> > > view in
> > > > > > > > honestly: I lean toward Discord, as it is friendlier and has
> > more
> > > > > > > > support in this thread,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's a preference, not a decision, and I'm not going to
> > > override
> > > > > four
> > > > > > > > people on a one-vote lean. So: Discord or Matrix, which do
> you
> > > want?
> > > > > If
> > > > > > > > you've already replied, a one-word answer is plenty.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For now we keep #magpie on ASF Slack for those
> > > > > > > > already there — this is about adding an open door, not
> closing
> > > one.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If there will not be enough visible majority - I will call
> for
> > a
> > > VOTE
> > > > > > > > to settle it :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And if you need an invite, let me know.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > J.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT/DISCUSS] The #magpie channel on ASF slack and other forms of chatting?

[André Ahlert <an...@aex.partners>]

Nice work.

Thank you very much!

Em ter., 15 de set. de 2026 às 09:01, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
escreveu:

> Ho ho ho!
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 2:40 PM Bartosz Sławecki <ba...@slawecki.dev>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > It will be simpler this way so here's the invite:
> > https://discord.gg/bfVyXTgak
> > Please introduce yourself upon joining! :-)
> >
> > Bartosz
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2026, at 1:48 PM, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> > > +10 :)
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 1:47 PM Bartosz Sławecki <bartosz@slawecki.dev
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey y'all,
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to help with the Discord, and Jarek has encouraged me to.
> > > > I've launched a Discord server for us, please contact me (@jslvk) and
> > I'll
> > > > send you an invite and give you an admin role.
> > > > Once you're there, feel free to share invites with other Magpie
> > > > contributors.
> > > > I'd like us to see what setup works for everyone internally before we
> > go
> > > > public.
> > > > Happy to answer any questions.
> > > >
> > > > Best!
> > > > Bartosz
> > > >
> > > > On 2026/08/13 15:34:41 Yeonguk Choo wrote:
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > It looks like Discord has received the most support so far based on
> > > > everyone's preferences.
> > > > > How about we go ahead and set up a Discord server for Magpie?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Yeonguk
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2026/08/01 15:29:41 Milamber wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Jarek,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As a user of Discord, it's easy to interact with a room (hook,
> bot,
> > > > etc.) I
> > > > > > suppose that it will be interesting to have some gateway between
> > all
> > > > > > communication tools (asf<->discord? mailing-list<->discord?,
> etc?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I 'vote' for discord.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Milamber
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Le sam. 1 août 2026 à 18:19, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> a
> > écrit :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Coming back to this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This thread ended up split in two (different subject prefixes),
> > so
> > > > let me
> > > > > > > pull it together. Six people weighed in and there's no
> consensus:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Slack: Andrew and Alex, both saying they're happy to adapt
> > > > > > > - Discord: Pavan and Yeonguk, mainly on newcomer-friendliness
> > > > > > > - Matrix: Adam, for maturity, a value-aligned non-profit, and
> > > > exportable
> > > > > > >   archives
> > > > > > > - Sebb raised discoverability concerns about Matrix rather than
> > > > backing an
> > > > > > >   option
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On that last point specifically — Adam is right and I'd treat
> it
> > as
> > > > > > > settled.
> > > > > > > Element Web exists, and from the matrix.to room link it's one
> > click
> > > > behind
> > > > > > > the Continue button, listed first. Sebb, the general principle
> > that
> > > > users
> > > > > > > shouldn't have to hunt for a client is fair, but the specific
> > claim
> > > > that a
> > > > > > > newcomer must install an app doesn't hold.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The thing I'd ask everyone to weigh: staying on Slack doesn't
> > solve
> > > > the
> > > > > > > problem I opened the thread for. People without an @apache.org
> > > > address
> > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > sign up on their own—they need me to hand out guest invites.
> For
> > a
> > > > project
> > > > > > > whose
> > > > > > > pitch is adoption by people who are mostly *not* ASF
> committers,
> > our
> > > > chat
> > > > > > > being invite-only to outsiders is backwards.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So the real choice is Discord or Matrix, and I'll put my own
> > view in
> > > > > > > honestly: I lean toward Discord, as it is friendlier and has
> more
> > > > > > > support in this thread,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's a preference, not a decision, and I'm not going to
> > override
> > > > four
> > > > > > > people on a one-vote lean. So: Discord or Matrix, which do you
> > want?
> > > > If
> > > > > > > you've already replied, a one-word answer is plenty.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For now we keep #magpie on ASF Slack for those
> > > > > > > already there — this is about adding an open door, not closing
> > one.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If there will not be enough visible majority - I will call for
> a
> > VOTE
> > > > > > > to settle it :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And if you need an invite, let me know.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > J.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT/DISCUSS] The #magpie channel on ASF slack and other forms of chatting?

[Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>]

Ho ho ho!

On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 2:40 PM Bartosz Sławecki <ba...@slawecki.dev>
wrote:

> Hi,
> It will be simpler this way so here's the invite:
> https://discord.gg/bfVyXTgak
> Please introduce yourself upon joining! :-)
>
> Bartosz
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2026, at 1:48 PM, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> > +10 :)
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 1:47 PM Bartosz Sławecki <ba...@slawecki.dev>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey y'all,
> > >
> > > I'd like to help with the Discord, and Jarek has encouraged me to.
> > > I've launched a Discord server for us, please contact me (@jslvk) and
> I'll
> > > send you an invite and give you an admin role.
> > > Once you're there, feel free to share invites with other Magpie
> > > contributors.
> > > I'd like us to see what setup works for everyone internally before we
> go
> > > public.
> > > Happy to answer any questions.
> > >
> > > Best!
> > > Bartosz
> > >
> > > On 2026/08/13 15:34:41 Yeonguk Choo wrote:
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > It looks like Discord has received the most support so far based on
> > > everyone's preferences.
> > > > How about we go ahead and set up a Discord server for Magpie?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Yeonguk
> > > >
> > > > On 2026/08/01 15:29:41 Milamber wrote:
> > > > > Hi Jarek,
> > > > >
> > > > > As a user of Discord, it's easy to interact with a room (hook, bot,
> > > etc.) I
> > > > > suppose that it will be interesting to have some gateway between
> all
> > > > > communication tools (asf<->discord? mailing-list<->discord?, etc?)
> > > > >
> > > > > So I 'vote' for discord.
> > > > >
> > > > > Milamber
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Le sam. 1 août 2026 à 18:19, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> a
> écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Coming back to this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This thread ended up split in two (different subject prefixes),
> so
> > > let me
> > > > > > pull it together. Six people weighed in and there's no consensus:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Slack: Andrew and Alex, both saying they're happy to adapt
> > > > > > - Discord: Pavan and Yeonguk, mainly on newcomer-friendliness
> > > > > > - Matrix: Adam, for maturity, a value-aligned non-profit, and
> > > exportable
> > > > > >   archives
> > > > > > - Sebb raised discoverability concerns about Matrix rather than
> > > backing an
> > > > > >   option
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On that last point specifically — Adam is right and I'd treat it
> as
> > > > > > settled.
> > > > > > Element Web exists, and from the matrix.to room link it's one
> click
> > > behind
> > > > > > the Continue button, listed first. Sebb, the general principle
> that
> > > users
> > > > > > shouldn't have to hunt for a client is fair, but the specific
> claim
> > > that a
> > > > > > newcomer must install an app doesn't hold.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The thing I'd ask everyone to weigh: staying on Slack doesn't
> solve
> > > the
> > > > > > problem I opened the thread for. People without an @apache.org
> > > address
> > > > > > can't
> > > > > > sign up on their own—they need me to hand out guest invites. For
> a
> > > project
> > > > > > whose
> > > > > > pitch is adoption by people who are mostly *not* ASF committers,
> our
> > > chat
> > > > > > being invite-only to outsiders is backwards.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So the real choice is Discord or Matrix, and I'll put my own
> view in
> > > > > > honestly: I lean toward Discord, as it is friendlier and has more
> > > > > > support in this thread,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's a preference, not a decision, and I'm not going to
> override
> > > four
> > > > > > people on a one-vote lean. So: Discord or Matrix, which do you
> want?
> > > If
> > > > > > you've already replied, a one-word answer is plenty.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For now we keep #magpie on ASF Slack for those
> > > > > > already there — this is about adding an open door, not closing
> one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If there will not be enough visible majority - I will call for a
> VOTE
> > > > > > to settle it :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And if you need an invite, let me know.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT/DISCUSS] The #magpie channel on ASF slack and other forms of chatting?

[Bartosz Sławecki <ba...@slawecki.dev>]

Hi,
It will be simpler this way so here's the invite: https://discord.gg/bfVyXTgak
Please introduce yourself upon joining! :-)

Bartosz

On Tue, Sep 15, 2026, at 1:48 PM, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> +10 :)
> 
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 1:47 PM Bartosz Sławecki <ba...@slawecki.dev>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hey y'all,
> >
> > I'd like to help with the Discord, and Jarek has encouraged me to.
> > I've launched a Discord server for us, please contact me (@jslvk) and I'll
> > send you an invite and give you an admin role.
> > Once you're there, feel free to share invites with other Magpie
> > contributors.
> > I'd like us to see what setup works for everyone internally before we go
> > public.
> > Happy to answer any questions.
> >
> > Best!
> > Bartosz
> >
> > On 2026/08/13 15:34:41 Yeonguk Choo wrote:
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > It looks like Discord has received the most support so far based on
> > everyone's preferences.
> > > How about we go ahead and set up a Discord server for Magpie?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Yeonguk
> > >
> > > On 2026/08/01 15:29:41 Milamber wrote:
> > > > Hi Jarek,
> > > >
> > > > As a user of Discord, it's easy to interact with a room (hook, bot,
> > etc.) I
> > > > suppose that it will be interesting to have some gateway between all
> > > > communication tools (asf<->discord? mailing-list<->discord?, etc?)
> > > >
> > > > So I 'vote' for discord.
> > > >
> > > > Milamber
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Le sam. 1 août 2026 à 18:19, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> a écrit :
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Coming back to this.
> > > > >
> > > > > This thread ended up split in two (different subject prefixes), so
> > let me
> > > > > pull it together. Six people weighed in and there's no consensus:
> > > > >
> > > > > - Slack: Andrew and Alex, both saying they're happy to adapt
> > > > > - Discord: Pavan and Yeonguk, mainly on newcomer-friendliness
> > > > > - Matrix: Adam, for maturity, a value-aligned non-profit, and
> > exportable
> > > > >   archives
> > > > > - Sebb raised discoverability concerns about Matrix rather than
> > backing an
> > > > >   option
> > > > >
> > > > > On that last point specifically — Adam is right and I'd treat it as
> > > > > settled.
> > > > > Element Web exists, and from the matrix.to room link it's one click
> > behind
> > > > > the Continue button, listed first. Sebb, the general principle that
> > users
> > > > > shouldn't have to hunt for a client is fair, but the specific claim
> > that a
> > > > > newcomer must install an app doesn't hold.
> > > > >
> > > > > The thing I'd ask everyone to weigh: staying on Slack doesn't solve
> > the
> > > > > problem I opened the thread for. People without an @apache.org
> > address
> > > > > can't
> > > > > sign up on their own—they need me to hand out guest invites. For a
> > project
> > > > > whose
> > > > > pitch is adoption by people who are mostly *not* ASF committers, our
> > chat
> > > > > being invite-only to outsiders is backwards.
> > > > >
> > > > > So the real choice is Discord or Matrix, and I'll put my own view in
> > > > > honestly: I lean toward Discord, as it is friendlier and has more
> > > > > support in this thread,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's a preference, not a decision, and I'm not going to override
> > four
> > > > > people on a one-vote lean. So: Discord or Matrix, which do you want?
> > If
> > > > > you've already replied, a one-word answer is plenty.
> > > > >
> > > > > For now we keep #magpie on ASF Slack for those
> > > > > already there — this is about adding an open door, not closing one.
> > > > >
> > > > > If there will not be enough visible majority - I will call for a VOTE
> > > > > to settle it :)
> > > > >
> > > > > And if you need an invite, let me know.
> > > > >
> > > > > J.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> 

Re: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT/DISCUSS] The #magpie channel on ASF slack and other forms of chatting?

[Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>]

+10 :)

On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 1:47 PM Bartosz Sławecki <ba...@slawecki.dev>
wrote:

> Hey y'all,
>
> I'd like to help with the Discord, and Jarek has encouraged me to.
> I've launched a Discord server for us, please contact me (@jslvk) and I'll
> send you an invite and give you an admin role.
> Once you're there, feel free to share invites with other Magpie
> contributors.
> I'd like us to see what setup works for everyone internally before we go
> public.
> Happy to answer any questions.
>
> Best!
> Bartosz
>
> On 2026/08/13 15:34:41 Yeonguk Choo wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > It looks like Discord has received the most support so far based on
> everyone's preferences.
> > How about we go ahead and set up a Discord server for Magpie?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Yeonguk
> >
> > On 2026/08/01 15:29:41 Milamber wrote:
> > > Hi Jarek,
> > >
> > > As a user of Discord, it's easy to interact with a room (hook, bot,
> etc.) I
> > > suppose that it will be interesting to have some gateway between all
> > > communication tools (asf<->discord? mailing-list<->discord?, etc?)
> > >
> > > So I 'vote' for discord.
> > >
> > > Milamber
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Le sam. 1 août 2026 à 18:19, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> a écrit :
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Coming back to this.
> > > >
> > > > This thread ended up split in two (different subject prefixes), so
> let me
> > > > pull it together. Six people weighed in and there's no consensus:
> > > >
> > > > - Slack: Andrew and Alex, both saying they're happy to adapt
> > > > - Discord: Pavan and Yeonguk, mainly on newcomer-friendliness
> > > > - Matrix: Adam, for maturity, a value-aligned non-profit, and
> exportable
> > > >   archives
> > > > - Sebb raised discoverability concerns about Matrix rather than
> backing an
> > > >   option
> > > >
> > > > On that last point specifically — Adam is right and I'd treat it as
> > > > settled.
> > > > Element Web exists, and from the matrix.to room link it's one click
> behind
> > > > the Continue button, listed first. Sebb, the general principle that
> users
> > > > shouldn't have to hunt for a client is fair, but the specific claim
> that a
> > > > newcomer must install an app doesn't hold.
> > > >
> > > > The thing I'd ask everyone to weigh: staying on Slack doesn't solve
> the
> > > > problem I opened the thread for. People without an @apache.org
> address
> > > > can't
> > > > sign up on their own—they need me to hand out guest invites. For a
> project
> > > > whose
> > > > pitch is adoption by people who are mostly *not* ASF committers, our
> chat
> > > > being invite-only to outsiders is backwards.
> > > >
> > > > So the real choice is Discord or Matrix, and I'll put my own view in
> > > > honestly: I lean toward Discord, as it is friendlier and has more
> > > > support in this thread,
> > > >
> > > > That's a preference, not a decision, and I'm not going to override
> four
> > > > people on a one-vote lean. So: Discord or Matrix, which do you want?
> If
> > > > you've already replied, a one-word answer is plenty.
> > > >
> > > > For now we keep #magpie on ASF Slack for those
> > > > already there — this is about adding an open door, not closing one.
> > > >
> > > > If there will not be enough visible majority - I will call for a VOTE
> > > > to settle it :)
> > > >
> > > > And if you need an invite, let me know.
> > > >
> > > > J.
> > > >
> > >
> >