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Posted to user@ant.apache.org by Brian Kreider <bk...@impactsci.com> on 2002/08/30 00:27:56 UTC
ANT on CD
I have sort of a silly question for you. I work for a government
contractor doing software development. The government likes to use
software that is from "trusted" vendors. So people like Sun, Microsoft,
etc have their pressed CDs that we can buy and the government trusts
that those CDs don't have viruses, Trojans, etc. We have been using ANT
to build our projects, but we would like to use it at our customer's
sites as well. (We can't use the public web for security reasons...) To
do this, I would need to find a pressed CD of the software. I know it
seems silly to want to pay for a free product, but the government is
picky about these things. We had to do this with MySql as well. So if
you could let me know if there are any vendors that actually sell a
pressed CD with ANT on it, that would be great.
Thank you for your time
Brian Kreider
Impact Science and Technology
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Re: ANT on CD
Posted by Ultra Funkular <fu...@nettaxi.com>.
Even if it's not permitted to sell Apache software, the delivery and
supply of a cd may be charged. Just like in the good old days of PD.
Right?
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:47:17 Diane Holt wrote:
> --- Brian Kreider <bk...@impactsci.com> wrote:
> > To do this, I would need to find a pressed CD of the software. I know
> it
> > seems silly to want to pay for a free product, but the government is
> > picky about these things. We had to do this with MySql as well. So if
> > you could let me know if there are any vendors that actually sell a
> > pressed CD with ANT on it, that would be great.
>
> Hey, I'll write it out to a CD for you -- I even have an artist friend
> who
> can make up an inside jacket for it, make it look all professional -- and
> I've got a DBA, so it could look even almost legitimate :) How much of
> my
> tax money do you suppose the government would be willing to fork back
> over
> to me for it? :)
>
> Actually (seriously), is it even legal to sell Apache software, or does
> that go against their license?
>
> Diane
>
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Re: ANT on CD
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
And should anyone be caring that the currently merchandised t-shirts via
copyleft have very bad PR due to copyleft seeming to be doing a pretty
poor job of serving customers.
[At least that's the view this potential customer had from viewing the
copyleft sites and all the comment/complaionnts]
Hen
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> Daniel Rall wrote:
> > "Andrew C. Oliver" <an...@superlinksoftware.com> writes:
> >
> >
> >>>You're right, I wasn't clear.
> >>>
> >>>What I was hinting is that Apache itself could sell CDs or t-shirts
> >>>as merchandising...
> >>
> >>Oooh yucky ....stop using swear words like "m*rchandising" on the lists.
> >
> >
> > IMHO, this is a very reasonable topic of discussion (though it might
> > be better Apache-wide). The ASF doesn't run for free. :)
>
> It's because you don't know the reason: Andy just got rich and wants to
> support Apache for 20 years, and give money to all of us.
>
> Right, Andy? :-PPP
>
> On the other hand, Apache is non-profit, so it has to be thought well,
> but it's really possible to have a standard Apache mechanish for fund
> raising through MERCHANDISING (I have to confess myself now I guess ;-)
>
> Now, since I've heard this thing more than once on different lists, is
> ther a way we should move to get MERCHANDISING going?
>
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Re: ANT on CD
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Daniel Rall wrote:
> "Andrew C. Oliver" <an...@superlinksoftware.com> writes:
>
>
>>>You're right, I wasn't clear.
>>>
>>>What I was hinting is that Apache itself could sell CDs or t-shirts
>>>as merchandising...
>>
>>Oooh yucky ....stop using swear words like "m*rchandising" on the lists.
>
>
> IMHO, this is a very reasonable topic of discussion (though it might
> be better Apache-wide). The ASF doesn't run for free. :)
It's because you don't know the reason: Andy just got rich and wants to
support Apache for 20 years, and give money to all of us.
Right, Andy? :-PPP
On the other hand, Apache is non-profit, so it has to be thought well,
but it's really possible to have a standard Apache mechanish for fund
raising through MERCHANDISING (I have to confess myself now I guess ;-)
Now, since I've heard this thing more than once on different lists, is
ther a way we should move to get MERCHANDISING going?
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Re: ANT on CD
Posted by Daniel Rall <dl...@finemaltcoding.com>.
"Andrew C. Oliver" <an...@superlinksoftware.com> writes:
> >
> > You're right, I wasn't clear.
> >
> > What I was hinting is that Apache itself could sell CDs or t-shirts
> > as merchandising...
>
> >
>
> Oooh yucky ....stop using swear words like "m*rchandising" on the lists.
IMHO, this is a very reasonable topic of discussion (though it might
be better Apache-wide). The ASF doesn't run for free. :)
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Re: ANT on CD
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <an...@superlinksoftware.com>.
>
> You're right, I wasn't clear.
>
> What I was hinting is that Apache itself could sell CDs or t-shirts as
> merchandising...
>
Oooh yucky ....stop using swear words like "m*rchandising" on the lists.
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Re: ANT on CD
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>>
>> It is not only perfectly legal, but also encouraged!
>>
>> The only thing is that you must respect the license, about giving
>> proper credit, not abusing the apache brand, and not blaming apache
>> for any problem you might have.
>>
>> In fact, this is not the first time that I hear such a need, to have
>> Apache software on CD, or to sell Apache merchandise like T-shirts and
>> such.
>>
>> Is there already a system like this in place that I'm ignorant of?
>> Or is this an opportunity for funding?
>>
> T-Shirts would actually not be legal. That would be using the
> trademark. You'd have to get foundation permission first.
You're right, I wasn't clear.
What I was hinting is that Apache itself could sell CDs or t-shirts as
merchandising...
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Re: ANT on CD
Posted by Brian Ewins <Br...@i-documentsystems.com>.
Copyleft already sell Apache t-shirts:
http://www.copyleft.net/item.phtml?&page=product_965_front.phtml
I understand they've given $5000 to the foundation:
http://www.copyleft.net/info_donate.phtml
There's plenty of places (like eg zazzle.com, cafepress.com) that
basically do JIT tshirts, mugs etc from an image you provide with a
(tiny) proportion of the proceeds going to the image creator; theres no
risk to the t-shirt producer as they don't print shirts until they're
ordered. Surely its possible that copyleft could do something like this
for the foundation, with their agreement?
An interesting comment from one of the cafepress customers:
http://www.dancingpaul.com/tshirts/
-Baz
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>>
>> It is not only perfectly legal, but also encouraged!
>>
>> The only thing is that you must respect the license, about giving
>> proper credit, not abusing the apache brand, and not blaming apache
>> for any problem you might have.
>>
>> In fact, this is not the first time that I hear such a need, to have
>> Apache software on CD, or to sell Apache merchandise like T-shirts
>> and such.
>>
>> Is there already a system like this in place that I'm ignorant of?
>> Or is this an opportunity for funding?
>>
> T-Shirts would actually not be legal. That would be using the
> trademark. You'd have to get foundation permission first.
>
> -Andy
>
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Re: ANT on CD
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <an...@superlinksoftware.com>.
>
> It is not only perfectly legal, but also encouraged!
>
> The only thing is that you must respect the license, about giving
> proper credit, not abusing the apache brand, and not blaming apache
> for any problem you might have.
>
> In fact, this is not the first time that I hear such a need, to have
> Apache software on CD, or to sell Apache merchandise like T-shirts and
> such.
>
> Is there already a system like this in place that I'm ignorant of?
> Or is this an opportunity for funding?
>
T-Shirts would actually not be legal. That would be using the
trademark. You'd have to get foundation permission first.
-Andy
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Re: ANT on CD
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Diane Holt wrote:
> --- Brian Kreider <bk...@impactsci.com> wrote:
>
>>To do this, I would need to find a pressed CD of the software. I know it
>>seems silly to want to pay for a free product, but the government is
>>picky about these things. We had to do this with MySql as well. So if
>>you could let me know if there are any vendors that actually sell a
>>pressed CD with ANT on it, that would be great.
>
>
> Hey, I'll write it out to a CD for you -- I even have an artist friend who
> can make up an inside jacket for it, make it look all professional -- and
> I've got a DBA, so it could look even almost legitimate :) How much of my
> tax money do you suppose the government would be willing to fork back over
> to me for it? :)
>
> Actually (seriously), is it even legal to sell Apache software, or does
> that go against their license?
It is not only perfectly legal, but also encouraged!
The only thing is that you must respect the license, about giving proper
credit, not abusing the apache brand, and not blaming apache for any
problem you might have.
In fact, this is not the first time that I hear such a need, to have
Apache software on CD, or to sell Apache merchandise like T-shirts and such.
Is there already a system like this in place that I'm ignorant of?
Or is this an opportunity for funding?
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Re: ANT on CD
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Diane Holt wrote:
> --- Brian Kreider <bk...@impactsci.com> wrote:
>
>>To do this, I would need to find a pressed CD of the software. I know it
>>seems silly to want to pay for a free product, but the government is
>>picky about these things. We had to do this with MySql as well. So if
>>you could let me know if there are any vendors that actually sell a
>>pressed CD with ANT on it, that would be great.
>
>
> Hey, I'll write it out to a CD for you -- I even have an artist friend who
> can make up an inside jacket for it, make it look all professional -- and
> I've got a DBA, so it could look even almost legitimate :) How much of my
> tax money do you suppose the government would be willing to fork back over
> to me for it? :)
>
> Actually (seriously), is it even legal to sell Apache software, or does
> that go against their license?
It is not only perfectly legal, but also encouraged!
The only thing is that you must respect the license, about giving proper
credit, not abusing the apache brand, and not blaming apache for any
problem you might have.
In fact, this is not the first time that I hear such a need, to have
Apache software on CD, or to sell Apache merchandise like T-shirts and such.
Is there already a system like this in place that I'm ignorant of?
Or is this an opportunity for funding?
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RE: ANT on CD
Posted by Brian Kreider <bk...@impactsci.com>.
Actually it wouldn't be selling the software but selling the
distribution of it. Much the same way Redhat sells the distribution of
Linux. If you know of a product out there that has ant bundled into the
software that would also solve our problem.
Actually that is the way we got CVS. Solaris 9 comes with a companion
CD that includes CVS so that covers us there.
If you know of something like that where ant is concerned I would love
to hear about it.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: Diane Holt [mailto:holtdl@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:47 PM
To: Ant Users List
Subject: Re: ANT on CD
--- Brian Kreider <bk...@impactsci.com> wrote:
> To do this, I would need to find a pressed CD of the software. I know
it
> seems silly to want to pay for a free product, but the government is
> picky about these things. We had to do this with MySql as well. So
if
> you could let me know if there are any vendors that actually sell a
> pressed CD with ANT on it, that would be great.
Hey, I'll write it out to a CD for you -- I even have an artist friend
who
can make up an inside jacket for it, make it look all professional --
and
I've got a DBA, so it could look even almost legitimate :) How much of
my
tax money do you suppose the government would be willing to fork back
over
to me for it? :)
Actually (seriously), is it even legal to sell Apache software, or does
that go against their license?
Diane
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Re: ANT on CD
Posted by Diane Holt <ho...@yahoo.com>.
--- Brian Kreider <bk...@impactsci.com> wrote:
> To do this, I would need to find a pressed CD of the software. I know it
> seems silly to want to pay for a free product, but the government is
> picky about these things. We had to do this with MySql as well. So if
> you could let me know if there are any vendors that actually sell a
> pressed CD with ANT on it, that would be great.
Hey, I'll write it out to a CD for you -- I even have an artist friend who
can make up an inside jacket for it, make it look all professional -- and
I've got a DBA, so it could look even almost legitimate :) How much of my
tax money do you suppose the government would be willing to fork back over
to me for it? :)
Actually (seriously), is it even legal to sell Apache software, or does
that go against their license?
Diane
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