You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to dev@hivemind.apache.org by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> on 2008/11/11 12:04:16 UTC
[DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
Anyone have anything to add?
The HiveMind project has remained quite inactive during the last 3
months. There are currently no active developers on the project.
James Carman
Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
Posted by Johan Lindquist <jo...@kawoo.co.uk>.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
Hi James,
Lacking the ability to 'juggle' issues in JIRA, I put forward the
following list a couple of months back:
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HIVEMIND2/jira-issues-list
Should give you quick indicator what are candidates with patches at least.
Cheers,
Johan
James Carman wrote:
> It is great to hear that HiveMind does have a small, but devoted
> following still! :) I still believe in HiveMind. It does some things
> that the others just don't do. I couldn't use HiveMind on our current
> project because the team members were afraid of the lack of
> documentation (the "book factor"). I'm happy with our current
> spring-based architecture, but there are definitely times that I wish we
> have HiveMind around for stuff like overriding service implementations.
>
> I would encourage some of you devoted HiveMinders to submit some patches
> to anything you want to see in the 1.1.2 release and I'll do my best to
> get them in there (provided they have test cases and don't break
> anything else of course). I'm sure I can get the other PMC members to
> vote for new members quite easily (I need 3 +1s I think), so maybe we
> can get some "new blood" in here and let them revive the project, but we
> can't do that without a "track record" which means community involvement
> and code patches. Also, if you can't provide code patches, it might be
> helpful to put some votes out there in JIRA so that we know what folks
> are really wanting and we can concentrate our efforts.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Jochen Zimmermann <zet4080@gmx.de
> <ma...@gmx.de>> wrote:
>
> Sorry, hit the enter button accidentially :-)
>
> I agree too, we use Hivemind for company internal projects for some
> time now and have no complaints and will use it for other projects
> in the future.
>
> But sometimes I have problems to convince team members to stick to
> Hivemind because there is no active development anymore ... so I can
> understand the question if the project is dead or not because I had
> some discussions because of that question in my team :-)
>
> Regards,
> Jochen
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:10:57 -0200
> > Von: Juliano Viana <juliano@logicstyle.com
> <ma...@logicstyle.com>>
> > An: dev@hivemind.apache.org <ma...@hivemind.apache.org>
> > Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Couldn't agree more.
> > After using Hivemind over the last 4 years in many projects, I can
> say I
> > have no wish list for feature improvements at the moment. It could use
> > better documentation but once you start using it , it simply works.
> > I really don't believe using annotations as was planned for
> Hivemind 2.0
> > would be a big improvement in the way it works, maybe quite the
> > opposite. So I believe this project, while no longer in active
> > development, is far from dead.
> >
> > Regards,
> > - Juliano
> > Johan Maasing wrote:
> > > We use hivemind in our web portal, serving a lot of customers. So I
> > > would say that our organization is pretty dependent on hivemind
> and we
> > > are slowly increasing the use of hivemind to wire together
> frameworks,
> > > both web-portals, plain java applications and webservice frameworks.
> > > So why are we not involved in developing hivemind further?
> > > Because "it just works". We have no big problems with hivemind,
> it has
> > > all the features we need. The configuration and
> contribution-trick in
> > > hivemind is a killer feature, I know no way to do the same thing as
> > > easily in spring, guice or the others. Perhaps there is but I don't
> > > know how. So for us hivemind is a very nice tool that just works.
> > > So the hivemind project on apache might be slow and appear dead but
> > > that shouldn't stop you from using it. It is mature, tested in
> battle
> > > and works.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Johan
> > >
> > > 2008/11/18 James Carman <james@carmanconsulting.com
> <ma...@carmanconsulting.com>>:
> > >
> > >> HiveMind hasn't been in active development for quite some time.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM, fan_42
> <frank.bommeli@noser.com <ma...@noser.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I just stumbled up HiveMind.
> > >>>
> > >>> it sound interesting to me, but is it dead or is it on hold?
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> View this message in context:
> >
> http://www.nabble.com/-DISCUSS---REPORT--HiveMind-November-2008-tp20437346p20561587.html
> > >>> Sent from the HiveMind - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
>
>
- --
you too?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
iD8DBQFJLU0JpHYnED7evioRAukfAJ9HUHBJm/LZB7f4oztk7F6H4KYfNgCdHCyB
fcdiQiSCw41YU0B+JQ9/Ss8=
=xvby
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
It is great to hear that HiveMind does have a small, but devoted following
still! :) I still believe in HiveMind. It does some things that the others
just don't do. I couldn't use HiveMind on our current project because the
team members were afraid of the lack of documentation (the "book factor").
I'm happy with our current spring-based architecture, but there are
definitely times that I wish we have HiveMind around for stuff like
overriding service implementations.
I would encourage some of you devoted HiveMinders to submit some patches to
anything you want to see in the 1.1.2 release and I'll do my best to get
them in there (provided they have test cases and don't break anything else
of course). I'm sure I can get the other PMC members to vote for new
members quite easily (I need 3 +1s I think), so maybe we can get some "new
blood" in here and let them revive the project, but we can't do that without
a "track record" which means community involvement and code patches. Also,
if you can't provide code patches, it might be helpful to put some votes out
there in JIRA so that we know what folks are really wanting and we can
concentrate our efforts.
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Jochen Zimmermann <ze...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Sorry, hit the enter button accidentially :-)
>
> I agree too, we use Hivemind for company internal projects for some time
> now and have no complaints and will use it for other projects in the future.
>
> But sometimes I have problems to convince team members to stick to Hivemind
> because there is no active development anymore ... so I can understand the
> question if the project is dead or not because I had some discussions
> because of that question in my team :-)
>
> Regards,
> Jochen
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:10:57 -0200
> > Von: Juliano Viana <ju...@logicstyle.com>
> > An: dev@hivemind.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Couldn't agree more.
> > After using Hivemind over the last 4 years in many projects, I can say I
> > have no wish list for feature improvements at the moment. It could use
> > better documentation but once you start using it , it simply works.
> > I really don't believe using annotations as was planned for Hivemind 2.0
> > would be a big improvement in the way it works, maybe quite the
> > opposite. So I believe this project, while no longer in active
> > development, is far from dead.
> >
> > Regards,
> > - Juliano
> > Johan Maasing wrote:
> > > We use hivemind in our web portal, serving a lot of customers. So I
> > > would say that our organization is pretty dependent on hivemind and we
> > > are slowly increasing the use of hivemind to wire together frameworks,
> > > both web-portals, plain java applications and webservice frameworks.
> > > So why are we not involved in developing hivemind further?
> > > Because "it just works". We have no big problems with hivemind, it has
> > > all the features we need. The configuration and contribution-trick in
> > > hivemind is a killer feature, I know no way to do the same thing as
> > > easily in spring, guice or the others. Perhaps there is but I don't
> > > know how. So for us hivemind is a very nice tool that just works.
> > > So the hivemind project on apache might be slow and appear dead but
> > > that shouldn't stop you from using it. It is mature, tested in battle
> > > and works.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Johan
> > >
> > > 2008/11/18 James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
> > >
> > >> HiveMind hasn't been in active development for quite some time.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM, fan_42 <fr...@noser.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I just stumbled up HiveMind.
> > >>>
> > >>> it sound interesting to me, but is it dead or is it on hold?
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> View this message in context:
> >
> http://www.nabble.com/-DISCUSS---REPORT--HiveMind-November-2008-tp20437346p20561587.html
> > >>> Sent from the HiveMind - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
Posted by Jochen Zimmermann <ze...@gmx.de>.
Sorry, hit the enter button accidentially :-)
I agree too, we use Hivemind for company internal projects for some time now and have no complaints and will use it for other projects in the future.
But sometimes I have problems to convince team members to stick to Hivemind because there is no active development anymore ... so I can understand the question if the project is dead or not because I had some discussions because of that question in my team :-)
Regards,
Jochen
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:10:57 -0200
> Von: Juliano Viana <ju...@logicstyle.com>
> An: dev@hivemind.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
> Hello,
>
> Couldn't agree more.
> After using Hivemind over the last 4 years in many projects, I can say I
> have no wish list for feature improvements at the moment. It could use
> better documentation but once you start using it , it simply works.
> I really don't believe using annotations as was planned for Hivemind 2.0
> would be a big improvement in the way it works, maybe quite the
> opposite. So I believe this project, while no longer in active
> development, is far from dead.
>
> Regards,
> - Juliano
> Johan Maasing wrote:
> > We use hivemind in our web portal, serving a lot of customers. So I
> > would say that our organization is pretty dependent on hivemind and we
> > are slowly increasing the use of hivemind to wire together frameworks,
> > both web-portals, plain java applications and webservice frameworks.
> > So why are we not involved in developing hivemind further?
> > Because "it just works". We have no big problems with hivemind, it has
> > all the features we need. The configuration and contribution-trick in
> > hivemind is a killer feature, I know no way to do the same thing as
> > easily in spring, guice or the others. Perhaps there is but I don't
> > know how. So for us hivemind is a very nice tool that just works.
> > So the hivemind project on apache might be slow and appear dead but
> > that shouldn't stop you from using it. It is mature, tested in battle
> > and works.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Johan
> >
> > 2008/11/18 James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
> >
> >> HiveMind hasn't been in active development for quite some time.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM, fan_42 <fr...@noser.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I just stumbled up HiveMind.
> >>>
> >>> it sound interesting to me, but is it dead or is it on hold?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> View this message in context:
> http://www.nabble.com/-DISCUSS---REPORT--HiveMind-November-2008-tp20437346p20561587.html
> >>> Sent from the HiveMind - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
Posted by Jochen Zimmermann <ze...@gmx.de>.
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:10:57 -0200
> Von: Juliano Viana <ju...@logicstyle.com>
> An: dev@hivemind.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
> Hello,
>
> Couldn't agree more.
> After using Hivemind over the last 4 years in many projects, I can say I
> have no wish list for feature improvements at the moment. It could use
> better documentation but once you start using it , it simply works.
> I really don't believe using annotations as was planned for Hivemind 2.0
> would be a big improvement in the way it works, maybe quite the
> opposite. So I believe this project, while no longer in active
> development, is far from dead.
>
> Regards,
> - Juliano
> Johan Maasing wrote:
> > We use hivemind in our web portal, serving a lot of customers. So I
> > would say that our organization is pretty dependent on hivemind and we
> > are slowly increasing the use of hivemind to wire together frameworks,
> > both web-portals, plain java applications and webservice frameworks.
> > So why are we not involved in developing hivemind further?
> > Because "it just works". We have no big problems with hivemind, it has
> > all the features we need. The configuration and contribution-trick in
> > hivemind is a killer feature, I know no way to do the same thing as
> > easily in spring, guice or the others. Perhaps there is but I don't
> > know how. So for us hivemind is a very nice tool that just works.
> > So the hivemind project on apache might be slow and appear dead but
> > that shouldn't stop you from using it. It is mature, tested in battle
> > and works.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Johan
> >
> > 2008/11/18 James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
> >
> >> HiveMind hasn't been in active development for quite some time.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM, fan_42 <fr...@noser.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I just stumbled up HiveMind.
> >>>
> >>> it sound interesting to me, but is it dead or is it on hold?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> View this message in context:
> http://www.nabble.com/-DISCUSS---REPORT--HiveMind-November-2008-tp20437346p20561587.html
> >>> Sent from the HiveMind - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Johan Lindquist <jo...@kawoo.co.uk> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi James,
>
> No rush, but would allow better use of Hivemind in Maven - I suspect
> many other users might have fixed their poms already (if they use them)
> and forgotten about it :)
>
> And hope you get some rest :)
Thanks. I'm sure I'll feel great after I chainsaw bayonet a few people
(Gears of War 2)! :)
Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
Posted by Johan Lindquist <jo...@kawoo.co.uk>.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
Hi James,
No rush, but would allow better use of Hivemind in Maven - I suspect
many other users might have fixed their poms already (if they use them)
and forgotten about it :)
And hope you get some rest :)
Cheers,
Johan
James Carman wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:20 AM, Johan Lindquist <johan@kawoo.co.uk
> <ma...@kawoo.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi,
>
> I agree with that too - we have also been using it for 3 years now and
> no major complaints. A couple of things could of course be improved,
> but they are definitely not showstoppers.
>
> One wish at this stage would be a official Maven 2.0 release of the
> current trunk - we have cut our own release of the trunk to allow us to
> use the Maven dependency stuff. But again, nothing that can't be fixed
> in your own pom in any case.
>
>
> I can cut a 1.1.2 release if folks really want one, based on maven 2.
> I'm kind of swamped at work right now, but I'm getting ready to take my
> first vacation of the year here in a couple of weeks, so perhaps I can
> get that cooking while I'm at home (between rounds of Gears of War 2 of
> course :) on vacation.
>
- --
you too?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
iD8DBQFJLU6upHYnED7evioRAhXyAJsGmi55k0RJ3r0zde/3rJNMX16GKQCfWTZ0
NJkPx9C+BM/+ZHi84IV3+jQ=
=NXbr
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:20 AM, Johan Lindquist <jo...@kawoo.co.uk> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi,
>
> I agree with that too - we have also been using it for 3 years now and
> no major complaints. A couple of things could of course be improved,
> but they are definitely not showstoppers.
>
> One wish at this stage would be a official Maven 2.0 release of the
> current trunk - we have cut our own release of the trunk to allow us to
> use the Maven dependency stuff. But again, nothing that can't be fixed
> in your own pom in any case.
I can cut a 1.1.2 release if folks really want one, based on maven 2. I'm
kind of swamped at work right now, but I'm getting ready to take my first
vacation of the year here in a couple of weeks, so perhaps I can get that
cooking while I'm at home (between rounds of Gears of War 2 of course :) on
vacation.
Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
Posted by Johan Lindquist <jo...@kawoo.co.uk>.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
Hi,
I agree with that too - we have also been using it for 3 years now and
no major complaints. A couple of things could of course be improved,
but they are definitely not showstoppers.
One wish at this stage would be a official Maven 2.0 release of the
current trunk - we have cut our own release of the trunk to allow us to
use the Maven dependency stuff. But again, nothing that can't be fixed
in your own pom in any case.
Regards,
Johan
Juliano Viana wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Couldn't agree more.
> After using Hivemind over the last 4 years in many projects, I can say I
> have no wish list for feature improvements at the moment. It could use
> better documentation but once you start using it , it simply works.
> I really don't believe using annotations as was planned for Hivemind 2.0
> would be a big improvement in the way it works, maybe quite the
> opposite. So I believe this project, while no longer in active
> development, is far from dead.
>
> Regards,
> - Juliano
> Johan Maasing wrote:
>> We use hivemind in our web portal, serving a lot of customers. So I
>> would say that our organization is pretty dependent on hivemind and we
>> are slowly increasing the use of hivemind to wire together frameworks,
>> both web-portals, plain java applications and webservice frameworks.
>> So why are we not involved in developing hivemind further?
>> Because "it just works". We have no big problems with hivemind, it has
>> all the features we need. The configuration and contribution-trick in
>> hivemind is a killer feature, I know no way to do the same thing as
>> easily in spring, guice or the others. Perhaps there is but I don't
>> know how. So for us hivemind is a very nice tool that just works.
>> So the hivemind project on apache might be slow and appear dead but
>> that shouldn't stop you from using it. It is mature, tested in battle
>> and works.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Johan
>>
>> 2008/11/18 James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
>>
>>> HiveMind hasn't been in active development for quite some time.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM, fan_42 <fr...@noser.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just stumbled up HiveMind.
>>>>
>>>> it sound interesting to me, but is it dead or is it on hold?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context:
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/-DISCUSS---REPORT--HiveMind-November-2008-tp20437346p20561587.html
>>>>
>>>> Sent from the HiveMind - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
- --
you too?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
iD8DBQFJLTEUpHYnED7evioRAtDoAJ9lH0o0hRz3Xdy72m+cXlFnsyo2dQCfbjNB
szDYOPY44lJmFchg+J4aL3M=
=sB5p
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
Posted by Juliano Viana <ju...@logicstyle.com>.
Hello,
Couldn't agree more.
After using Hivemind over the last 4 years in many projects, I can say I
have no wish list for feature improvements at the moment. It could use
better documentation but once you start using it , it simply works.
I really don't believe using annotations as was planned for Hivemind 2.0
would be a big improvement in the way it works, maybe quite the
opposite. So I believe this project, while no longer in active
development, is far from dead.
Regards,
- Juliano
Johan Maasing wrote:
> We use hivemind in our web portal, serving a lot of customers. So I
> would say that our organization is pretty dependent on hivemind and we
> are slowly increasing the use of hivemind to wire together frameworks,
> both web-portals, plain java applications and webservice frameworks.
> So why are we not involved in developing hivemind further?
> Because "it just works". We have no big problems with hivemind, it has
> all the features we need. The configuration and contribution-trick in
> hivemind is a killer feature, I know no way to do the same thing as
> easily in spring, guice or the others. Perhaps there is but I don't
> know how. So for us hivemind is a very nice tool that just works.
> So the hivemind project on apache might be slow and appear dead but
> that shouldn't stop you from using it. It is mature, tested in battle
> and works.
>
> Cheers,
> Johan
>
> 2008/11/18 James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
>
>> HiveMind hasn't been in active development for quite some time.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM, fan_42 <fr...@noser.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just stumbled up HiveMind.
>>>
>>> it sound interesting to me, but is it dead or is it on hold?
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-DISCUSS---REPORT--HiveMind-November-2008-tp20437346p20561587.html
>>> Sent from the HiveMind - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>>
>>>
Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
Posted by Johan Maasing <jo...@zoom.nu>.
We use hivemind in our web portal, serving a lot of customers. So I
would say that our organization is pretty dependent on hivemind and we
are slowly increasing the use of hivemind to wire together frameworks,
both web-portals, plain java applications and webservice frameworks.
So why are we not involved in developing hivemind further?
Because "it just works". We have no big problems with hivemind, it has
all the features we need. The configuration and contribution-trick in
hivemind is a killer feature, I know no way to do the same thing as
easily in spring, guice or the others. Perhaps there is but I don't
know how. So for us hivemind is a very nice tool that just works.
So the hivemind project on apache might be slow and appear dead but
that shouldn't stop you from using it. It is mature, tested in battle
and works.
Cheers,
Johan
2008/11/18 James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
> HiveMind hasn't been in active development for quite some time.
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM, fan_42 <fr...@noser.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just stumbled up HiveMind.
>>
>> it sound interesting to me, but is it dead or is it on hold?
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-DISCUSS---REPORT--HiveMind-November-2008-tp20437346p20561587.html
>> Sent from the HiveMind - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
HiveMind hasn't been in active development for quite some time.
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM, fan_42 <fr...@noser.com> wrote:
>
> I just stumbled up HiveMind.
>
> it sound interesting to me, but is it dead or is it on hold?
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-DISCUSS---REPORT--HiveMind-November-2008-tp20437346p20561587.html
> Sent from the HiveMind - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] [REPORT] HiveMind November 2008
Posted by fan_42 <fr...@noser.com>.
I just stumbled up HiveMind.
it sound interesting to me, but is it dead or is it on hold?
--
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-DISCUSS---REPORT--HiveMind-November-2008-tp20437346p20561587.html
Sent from the HiveMind - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.