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Posted to users@tapestry.apache.org by Howard <hl...@gmail.com> on 2009/06/12 22:00:54 UTC
[Tapestry Central] Back from Tapestry 5 Training / Madison, WI
Just got back last night from training in Madison WI. This was
primarily an intro to Tapestry 5 for Tapestry 4 developers (and a
couple of new-to-web-programming developers) and a lot of hands on pair
programming to get them going with their conversion work. It was a lot
of fun, and as usual, I learned a bit.
I have a couple of weeks respite now before OSCON which will be
followed with training in York, UK, then Estonia, then London.
I'm continuing to hold off on code changes to Tapestry 5, though I hit
enough minor annoyances that I'm considering a 5.1 bug fix release
before starting 5.2 in earnest.
I have a backlog of work related to Tapestry360 and then my main
emphasis is going to be Documentation, Screencasts, Articles,
Documentation and Documentation, plus some additional Documentation. It
may be a while before I start with new features for 5.2.
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Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 6/12/2009 12:56:00 PM
Re: lack of committers
Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Peter
Stavrinides<P....@albourne.com> wrote:
> Hi,
Hi!
> I think that Ivano's post had a completely different tone and intention to the responses he is getting, its better to get this post back on track... the question at > hand is for more people to be contributing to Tapestry (rather than more from those who already contribute to Tapestry, 'who's contribution was never ever in
> question'). The great strength of open source is that people gift of their own time, but that strength is best realized in numbers because people also have to
> earn some money to live.
Something I forgot to mention is that Tapestry is an Apache project,
so Howard, even being the creator and main force behind the project,
cannot just choose new committers. There is a process for admitting
new committers: http://apache.org/dev/#committers. For example, there
must be a vote. Search the Tapestry dev mailing list to see some
examples of that if you haven't already.
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Re: lack of committers
Posted by Angelo Chen <an...@yahoo.com.hk>.
Hi Thiago,
I just upgraded my app to T5.1.x, reading the URL rewriting, I wish it could
be earlier, that way it would save me from having a big index page and a
cleaner code:), anyway, I see a big potential use of that feature, thanks.
Angelo
Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm a commiter since February and wrote the URL rewriting support that
> Robert Zeigler improved (thanks Robert!). Unfortunately, that's the
> single contribution I've done so far (besides contributing some
>
>
>
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Re: lack of committers
Posted by Michael Gentry <mg...@masslight.net>.
Thiago,
You provide a lot of assistance on this mailing list, either by
directly answering questions or providing suggestions that help people
solve their Tapestry issues or enable them to better understand how
Tapestry is working. To me, that is contributing and very worthwhile.
Thanks,
mrg
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Thiago H. de Paula
Figueiredo<th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm a commiter since February and wrote the URL rewriting support that
> Robert Zeigler improved (thanks Robert!). Unfortunately, that's the
> single contribution I've done so far (besides contributing some
> Brazilian Portuguese translations).
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Re: lack of committers
Posted by Joel Halbert <jo...@su3analytics.com>.
Maybe there are so few committers because everyone is so busy being
productive using this great framework to roll out loads of software? :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <th...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Tapestry users <us...@tapestry.apache.org>
To: Tapestry users <us...@tapestry.apache.org>
Subject: Re: lack of committers
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:33:34 -0300
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Ivano Luberti<lu...@archicoop.it> wrote:
> Howard, it seems to me that Tapestry has really few committers and is
> mainly driven by one man.
> It is a shame for a so beautiful piece of software.
> What is the reason ?
> Simply the typical lack of funding ? Or is a more or less choice made
> by you for whatever reason.
I'm a commiter since February and wrote the URL rewriting support that
Robert Zeigler improved (thanks Robert!). Unfortunately, that's the
single contribution I've done so far (besides contributing some
Brazilian Portuguese translations).
This issue is more about open source development at large than
Tapestry-specific: a few people are paid to work on projects (I wish I
was one of them), but most work on their free time. Some projects have
companies behind them (Hibernate, Spring, JBoss, etc), some of them
quite big (IBM, Sun, etc).
We all here should thank Formos for employing Howard, so he can spend
a lot of his *work* time writing and improving Tapestry. There are
many things I want to do, but I'm too busy now to do them. I can't
speak for other committers, but I guess this happens to them too. My
bigger plans are here:
http://www.nabble.com/-VOTE--Thiago-H.-de-Paula-Figueiredo-as-Tapestry-Committer-td21917887i20.html#a22047791.
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Re: lack of committers
Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Ivano Luberti<lu...@archicoop.it> wrote:
> That's the point: why this lack of sponsorships ?
I guess that's because companies sponsor the projects they use. Even
Tapestry being a wonderful web framework, most people and companies
don't know it, so they don't use it. Raising the awareness of Tapestry
might help in this issue.
PS: Being an independent developer, I would love to be paid to develop
Tapestry, part- or full-time. :)
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Re: lack of committers
Posted by Ivano Luberti <lu...@archicoop.it>.
In fact: otherwise I would have titled it lack of commits. :-D
Thiago partially has answered saying that only Formos is sponsoring T
in some way.
That's the point: why this lack of sponsorships ?
Great (ie with lot of committers) OS projects are not usually based on
free time provided by programmers, but instead on companies that sponsor
them.
Peter Stavrinides ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> I think that Ivano's post had a completely different tone and intention to the responses he is getting, its better to get this post back on track... the question at hand is for more people to be contributing to Tapestry (rather than more from those who already contribute to Tapestry, 'who's contribution was never ever in question'). The great strength of open source is that people gift of their own time, but that strength is best realized in numbers because people also have to earn some money to live.
>
> regards,
> Peter
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>
> To: "Tapestry users" <us...@tapestry.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, 22 June, 2009 15:33:34 GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul
> Subject: Re: lack of committers
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Ivano Luberti<lu...@archicoop.it> wrote:
>
>> Howard, it seems to me that Tapestry has really few committers and is
>> mainly driven by one man.
>> It is a shame for a so beautiful piece of software.
>> What is the reason ?
>> Simply the typical lack of funding ? Or is a more or less choice made
>> by you for whatever reason.
>>
>
> I'm a commiter since February and wrote the URL rewriting support that
> Robert Zeigler improved (thanks Robert!). Unfortunately, that's the
> single contribution I've done so far (besides contributing some
> Brazilian Portuguese translations).
> This issue is more about open source development at large than
> Tapestry-specific: a few people are paid to work on projects (I wish I
> was one of them), but most work on their free time. Some projects have
> companies behind them (Hibernate, Spring, JBoss, etc), some of them
> quite big (IBM, Sun, etc).
> We all here should thank Formos for employing Howard, so he can spend
> a lot of his *work* time writing and improving Tapestry. There are
> many things I want to do, but I'm too busy now to do them. I can't
> speak for other committers, but I guess this happens to them too. My
> bigger plans are here:
> http://www.nabble.com/-VOTE--Thiago-H.-de-Paula-Figueiredo-as-Tapestry-Committer-td21917887i20.html#a22047791.
>
>
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Re: lack of committers
Posted by Peter Stavrinides <P....@albourne.com>.
Hi,
I think that Ivano's post had a completely different tone and intention to the responses he is getting, its better to get this post back on track... the question at hand is for more people to be contributing to Tapestry (rather than more from those who already contribute to Tapestry, 'who's contribution was never ever in question'). The great strength of open source is that people gift of their own time, but that strength is best realized in numbers because people also have to earn some money to live.
regards,
Peter
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From: "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>
To: "Tapestry users" <us...@tapestry.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, 22 June, 2009 15:33:34 GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul
Subject: Re: lack of committers
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Ivano Luberti<lu...@archicoop.it> wrote:
> Howard, it seems to me that Tapestry has really few committers and is
> mainly driven by one man.
> It is a shame for a so beautiful piece of software.
> What is the reason ?
> Simply the typical lack of funding ? Or is a more or less choice made
> by you for whatever reason.
I'm a commiter since February and wrote the URL rewriting support that
Robert Zeigler improved (thanks Robert!). Unfortunately, that's the
single contribution I've done so far (besides contributing some
Brazilian Portuguese translations).
This issue is more about open source development at large than
Tapestry-specific: a few people are paid to work on projects (I wish I
was one of them), but most work on their free time. Some projects have
companies behind them (Hibernate, Spring, JBoss, etc), some of them
quite big (IBM, Sun, etc).
We all here should thank Formos for employing Howard, so he can spend
a lot of his *work* time writing and improving Tapestry. There are
many things I want to do, but I'm too busy now to do them. I can't
speak for other committers, but I guess this happens to them too. My
bigger plans are here:
http://www.nabble.com/-VOTE--Thiago-H.-de-Paula-Figueiredo-as-Tapestry-Committer-td21917887i20.html#a22047791.
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Re: lack of committers
Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Ivano Luberti<lu...@archicoop.it> wrote:
> Howard, it seems to me that Tapestry has really few committers and is
> mainly driven by one man.
> It is a shame for a so beautiful piece of software.
> What is the reason ?
> Simply the typical lack of funding ? Or is a more or less choice made
> by you for whatever reason.
I'm a commiter since February and wrote the URL rewriting support that
Robert Zeigler improved (thanks Robert!). Unfortunately, that's the
single contribution I've done so far (besides contributing some
Brazilian Portuguese translations).
This issue is more about open source development at large than
Tapestry-specific: a few people are paid to work on projects (I wish I
was one of them), but most work on their free time. Some projects have
companies behind them (Hibernate, Spring, JBoss, etc), some of them
quite big (IBM, Sun, etc).
We all here should thank Formos for employing Howard, so he can spend
a lot of his *work* time writing and improving Tapestry. There are
many things I want to do, but I'm too busy now to do them. I can't
speak for other committers, but I guess this happens to them too. My
bigger plans are here:
http://www.nabble.com/-VOTE--Thiago-H.-de-Paula-Figueiredo-as-Tapestry-Committer-td21917887i20.html#a22047791.
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Re: lack of committers
Posted by Igor Drobiazko <ig...@gmail.com>.
I agree with Kalle. Open source can't live only from enthusiasm.
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Could it be that Tapestry doesn't have a lack of committers/commits
> but just one super productive committer? The truth is that most
> open-source projects are slowly evolving, because very few people are
> in that fortunate position that they can devote most of their time on
> working on things they like.
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Ivano Luberti<lu...@archicoop.it>
> wrote:
> > No problem.
> >
> > igor.drobiazko@gmail.com ha scritto:
> >> Sorry Ivano,
> >>
> >> I misunderstood you.
> >>
> >> On Jun 22, 2009 2:10pm, Ivano Luberti <lu...@archicoop.it> wrote:
> >>> Igor I was not pointing out the behaviour of any individual neither I
> >>
> >>> was trying to provoke anyone.
> >>
> >>> If you are one of the committers what kind of shame can be on you ?
> >>
> >>> I'm simply surprised by lack of committers (comparing with other OS
> >>
> >>> projects), not saying that the ones that actually are committers are
> >>
> >>> doing a bad work.
> >>
> >>> This is also the reason why I submitted my question to Howard and not
> to
> >>
> >>> the entire mailing list: I posted it to the ml, because I think the
> >>
> >>> answer can be of public interest.
> >>
> >>> I have read again my message , still cannot find the reason of this
> >>
> >>> incomprehension.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Regards
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> igor.drobiazko@gmail.com ha scritto:
> >>
> >>> > Dear Ivano,
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> > I don't feel I need to justify myself but I'll answer to your
> >>
> >>> > provoking question.
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> > I can't speak for alle the committers but I commit the code to
> >>
> >>> > Tapestry in my leisure.
> >>
> >>> > Usually I commit to Tapestry after I worked 8-10 hours for my
> company.
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> > Right now I'm writing a Tapestry book which is already discussed in
> >>
> >>> > another thread.
> >>
> >>> >
> >>>
> http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/3827328446/ref=s9_sims_gw_s10_p14_t1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=1HYXTCYBKSQAC48YC077&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375193&pf_rd_i=301128
> >>>
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> > I believe this book is the most important contribution to Tapestry I
> >>
> >>> > ever made.
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> > Furthermore I spend my free time to promote Tapestry. For example
> this
> >>
> >>> > week in Essen
> >>
> >>> > See here:
> >>
> >>> >
> http://www.ruhrjug.de/vorschau/details/10-tapestry-mit-igor-drobiazko
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> > So please don't tell me it is a shame.
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> > Best regards
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> > On Jun 20, 2009 2:07pm, Ivano Luberti luberti@archicoop.it> wrote:
> >>
> >>> >> Howard, it seems to me that Tapestry has really few committers and
> is
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> mainly driven by one man.
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> It is a shame for a so beautiful piece of software.
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> What is the reason ?
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> Simply the typical lack of funding ? Or is a more or less choice
> made
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> by you for whatever reason.
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> Howard ha scritto:
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > Just got back last night from training in Madison WI. This was
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > primarily an intro to Tapestry 5 for Tapestry 4 developers (and a
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > couple of new-to-web-programming developers) and a lot of hands on
> >>
> >>> >> pair
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > programming to get them going with their conversion work. It was
> >>> a lot
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > of fun, and as usual, I learned a bit.
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > I have a couple of weeks respite now before OSCON which will be
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > followed with training in York, UK, then Estonia, then London.
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > I'm continuing to hold off on code changes to Tapestry 5, though
> >>> I hit
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > enough minor annoyances that I'm considering a 5.1 bug fix release
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > before starting 5.2 in earnest.
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > I have a backlog of work related to Tapestry360 and then my main
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > emphasis is going to be Documentation, Screencasts, Articles,
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > Documentation and Documentation, plus some additional
> >>
> >>> >> Documentation. It
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > may be a while before I start with new features for 5.2.
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > --
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> > Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 6/12/2009 12:56:00 PM
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> ==================================================
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> dott. Ivano Mario Luberti
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> Archimede Informatica societa' cooperativa a rl
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> Sede Operativa
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> Via Gereschi 36 - 56126- Pisa
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> tel.: +39-050- 580959
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> tel/fax: +39-050-9711344
> >>
> >>> >
> >>
> >>> >> web: www.archicoop.it
> >>
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Re: lack of committers
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
Could it be that Tapestry doesn't have a lack of committers/commits
but just one super productive committer? The truth is that most
open-source projects are slowly evolving, because very few people are
in that fortunate position that they can devote most of their time on
working on things they like.
Kalle
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Ivano Luberti<lu...@archicoop.it> wrote:
> No problem.
>
> igor.drobiazko@gmail.com ha scritto:
>> Sorry Ivano,
>>
>> I misunderstood you.
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2009 2:10pm, Ivano Luberti <lu...@archicoop.it> wrote:
>>> Igor I was not pointing out the behaviour of any individual neither I
>>
>>> was trying to provoke anyone.
>>
>>> If you are one of the committers what kind of shame can be on you ?
>>
>>> I'm simply surprised by lack of committers (comparing with other OS
>>
>>> projects), not saying that the ones that actually are committers are
>>
>>> doing a bad work.
>>
>>> This is also the reason why I submitted my question to Howard and not to
>>
>>> the entire mailing list: I posted it to the ml, because I think the
>>
>>> answer can be of public interest.
>>
>>> I have read again my message , still cannot find the reason of this
>>
>>> incomprehension.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> igor.drobiazko@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>
>>> > Dear Ivano,
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> > I don't feel I need to justify myself but I'll answer to your
>>
>>> > provoking question.
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> > I can't speak for alle the committers but I commit the code to
>>
>>> > Tapestry in my leisure.
>>
>>> > Usually I commit to Tapestry after I worked 8-10 hours for my company.
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> > Right now I'm writing a Tapestry book which is already discussed in
>>
>>> > another thread.
>>
>>> >
>>> http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/3827328446/ref=s9_sims_gw_s10_p14_t1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=1HYXTCYBKSQAC48YC077&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375193&pf_rd_i=301128
>>>
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> > I believe this book is the most important contribution to Tapestry I
>>
>>> > ever made.
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> > Furthermore I spend my free time to promote Tapestry. For example this
>>
>>> > week in Essen
>>
>>> > See here:
>>
>>> > http://www.ruhrjug.de/vorschau/details/10-tapestry-mit-igor-drobiazko
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> > So please don't tell me it is a shame.
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> > Best regards
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> > On Jun 20, 2009 2:07pm, Ivano Luberti luberti@archicoop.it> wrote:
>>
>>> >> Howard, it seems to me that Tapestry has really few committers and is
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> mainly driven by one man.
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> It is a shame for a so beautiful piece of software.
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> What is the reason ?
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> Simply the typical lack of funding ? Or is a more or less choice made
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> by you for whatever reason.
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> Howard ha scritto:
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > Just got back last night from training in Madison WI. This was
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > primarily an intro to Tapestry 5 for Tapestry 4 developers (and a
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > couple of new-to-web-programming developers) and a lot of hands on
>>
>>> >> pair
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > programming to get them going with their conversion work. It was
>>> a lot
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > of fun, and as usual, I learned a bit.
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > I have a couple of weeks respite now before OSCON which will be
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > followed with training in York, UK, then Estonia, then London.
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > I'm continuing to hold off on code changes to Tapestry 5, though
>>> I hit
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > enough minor annoyances that I'm considering a 5.1 bug fix release
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > before starting 5.2 in earnest.
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > I have a backlog of work related to Tapestry360 and then my main
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > emphasis is going to be Documentation, Screencasts, Articles,
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > Documentation and Documentation, plus some additional
>>
>>> >> Documentation. It
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > may be a while before I start with new features for 5.2.
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> >
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > --
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> > Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 6/12/2009 12:56:00 PM
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> >
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> --
>>
>>> >
>>
>>> >> ==================================================
>>
>>> >
>>
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>>
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Re: lack of committers
Posted by Ivano Luberti <lu...@archicoop.it>.
No problem.
igor.drobiazko@gmail.com ha scritto:
> Sorry Ivano,
>
> I misunderstood you.
>
> On Jun 22, 2009 2:10pm, Ivano Luberti <lu...@archicoop.it> wrote:
>> Igor I was not pointing out the behaviour of any individual neither I
>
>> was trying to provoke anyone.
>
>> If you are one of the committers what kind of shame can be on you ?
>
>> I'm simply surprised by lack of committers (comparing with other OS
>
>> projects), not saying that the ones that actually are committers are
>
>> doing a bad work.
>
>> This is also the reason why I submitted my question to Howard and not to
>
>> the entire mailing list: I posted it to the ml, because I think the
>
>> answer can be of public interest.
>
>> I have read again my message , still cannot find the reason of this
>
>> incomprehension.
>
>
>
>> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> igor.drobiazko@gmail.com ha scritto:
>
>> > Dear Ivano,
>
>> >
>
>> > I don't feel I need to justify myself but I'll answer to your
>
>> > provoking question.
>
>> >
>
>> > I can't speak for alle the committers but I commit the code to
>
>> > Tapestry in my leisure.
>
>> > Usually I commit to Tapestry after I worked 8-10 hours for my company.
>
>> >
>
>> > Right now I'm writing a Tapestry book which is already discussed in
>
>> > another thread.
>
>> >
>> http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/3827328446/ref=s9_sims_gw_s10_p14_t1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=1HYXTCYBKSQAC48YC077&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375193&pf_rd_i=301128
>>
>
>> >
>
>> > I believe this book is the most important contribution to Tapestry I
>
>> > ever made.
>
>> >
>
>> > Furthermore I spend my free time to promote Tapestry. For example this
>
>> > week in Essen
>
>> > See here:
>
>> > http://www.ruhrjug.de/vorschau/details/10-tapestry-mit-igor-drobiazko
>
>> >
>
>> > So please don't tell me it is a shame.
>
>> >
>
>> > Best regards
>
>> >
>
>> > On Jun 20, 2009 2:07pm, Ivano Luberti luberti@archicoop.it> wrote:
>
>> >> Howard, it seems to me that Tapestry has really few committers and is
>
>> >
>
>> >> mainly driven by one man.
>
>> >
>
>> >> It is a shame for a so beautiful piece of software.
>
>> >
>
>> >> What is the reason ?
>
>> >
>
>> >> Simply the typical lack of funding ? Or is a more or less choice made
>
>> >
>
>> >> by you for whatever reason.
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >> Howard ha scritto:
>
>> >
>
>> >> > Just got back last night from training in Madison WI. This was
>
>> >
>
>> >> > primarily an intro to Tapestry 5 for Tapestry 4 developers (and a
>
>> >
>
>> >> > couple of new-to-web-programming developers) and a lot of hands on
>
>> >> pair
>
>> >
>
>> >> > programming to get them going with their conversion work. It was
>> a lot
>
>> >
>
>> >> > of fun, and as usual, I learned a bit.
>
>> >
>
>> >> > I have a couple of weeks respite now before OSCON which will be
>
>> >
>
>> >> > followed with training in York, UK, then Estonia, then London.
>
>> >
>
>> >> > I'm continuing to hold off on code changes to Tapestry 5, though
>> I hit
>
>> >
>
>> >> > enough minor annoyances that I'm considering a 5.1 bug fix release
>
>> >
>
>> >> > before starting 5.2 in earnest.
>
>> >
>
>> >> > I have a backlog of work related to Tapestry360 and then my main
>
>> >
>
>> >> > emphasis is going to be Documentation, Screencasts, Articles,
>
>> >
>
>> >> > Documentation and Documentation, plus some additional
>
>> >> Documentation. It
>
>> >
>
>> >> > may be a while before I start with new features for 5.2.
>
>> >
>
>> >> >
>
>> >
>
>> >> > --
>
>> >
>
>> >> > Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 6/12/2009 12:56:00 PM
>
>> >
>
>> >> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >> --
>
>> >
>
>> >> ==================================================
>
>> >
>
>> >> dott. Ivano Mario Luberti
>
>> >
>
>> >> Archimede Informatica societa' cooperativa a rl
>
>> >
>
>> >> Sede Operativa
>
>> >
>
>> >> Via Gereschi 36 - 56126- Pisa
>
>> >
>
>> >> tel.: +39-050- 580959
>
>> >
>
>> >> tel/fax: +39-050-9711344
>
>> >
>
>> >> web: www.archicoop.it
>
>> >
>
>> >> ==================================================
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
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>> >
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>> --
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>
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Re: Re: lack of committers
Posted by ig...@gmail.com.
Sorry Ivano,
I misunderstood you.
On Jun 22, 2009 2:10pm, Ivano Luberti <lu...@archicoop.it> wrote:
> Igor I was not pointing out the behaviour of any individual neither I
> was trying to provoke anyone.
> If you are one of the committers what kind of shame can be on you ?
> I'm simply surprised by lack of committers (comparing with other OS
> projects), not saying that the ones that actually are committers are
> doing a bad work.
> This is also the reason why I submitted my question to Howard and not to
> the entire mailing list: I posted it to the ml, because I think the
> answer can be of public interest.
> I have read again my message , still cannot find the reason of this
> incomprehension.
> Regards
> igor.drobiazko@gmail.com ha scritto:
> > Dear Ivano,
> >
> > I don't feel I need to justify myself but I'll answer to your
> > provoking question.
> >
> > I can't speak for alle the committers but I commit the code to
> > Tapestry in my leisure.
> > Usually I commit to Tapestry after I worked 8-10 hours for my company.
> >
> > Right now I'm writing a Tapestry book which is already discussed in
> > another thread.
> >
> http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/3827328446/ref=s9_sims_gw_s10_p14_t1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=1HYXTCYBKSQAC48YC077&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375193&pf_rd_i=301128
> >
> > I believe this book is the most important contribution to Tapestry I
> > ever made.
> >
> > Furthermore I spend my free time to promote Tapestry. For example this
> > week in Essen
> > See here:
> > http://www.ruhrjug.de/vorschau/details/10-tapestry-mit-igor-drobiazko
> >
> > So please don't tell me it is a shame.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > On Jun 20, 2009 2:07pm, Ivano Luberti luberti@archicoop.it> wrote:
> >> Howard, it seems to me that Tapestry has really few committers and is
> >
> >> mainly driven by one man.
> >
> >> It is a shame for a so beautiful piece of software.
> >
> >> What is the reason ?
> >
> >> Simply the typical lack of funding ? Or is a more or less choice made
> >
> >> by you for whatever reason.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Howard ha scritto:
> >
> >> > Just got back last night from training in Madison WI. This was
> >
> >> > primarily an intro to Tapestry 5 for Tapestry 4 developers (and a
> >
> >> > couple of new-to-web-programming developers) and a lot of hands on
> >> pair
> >
> >> > programming to get them going with their conversion work. It was a
> lot
> >
> >> > of fun, and as usual, I learned a bit.
> >
> >> > I have a couple of weeks respite now before OSCON which will be
> >
> >> > followed with training in York, UK, then Estonia, then London.
> >
> >> > I'm continuing to hold off on code changes to Tapestry 5, though I
> hit
> >
> >> > enough minor annoyances that I'm considering a 5.1 bug fix release
> >
> >> > before starting 5.2 in earnest.
> >
> >> > I have a backlog of work related to Tapestry360 and then my main
> >
> >> > emphasis is going to be Documentation, Screencasts, Articles,
> >
> >> > Documentation and Documentation, plus some additional
> >> Documentation. It
> >
> >> > may be a while before I start with new features for 5.2.
> >
> >> >
> >
> >> > --
> >
> >> > Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 6/12/2009 12:56:00 PM
> >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> --
> >
> >> ==================================================
> >
> >> dott. Ivano Mario Luberti
> >
> >> Archimede Informatica societa' cooperativa a rl
> >
> >> Sede Operativa
> >
> >> Via Gereschi 36 - 56126- Pisa
> >
> >> tel.: +39-050- 580959
> >
> >> tel/fax: +39-050-9711344
> >
> >> web: www.archicoop.it
> >
> >> ==================================================
> >
> >
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Re: lack of committers
Posted by Ivano Luberti <lu...@archicoop.it>.
Igor I was not pointing out the behaviour of any individual neither I
was trying to provoke anyone.
If you are one of the committers what kind of shame can be on you ?
I'm simply surprised by lack of committers (comparing with other OS
projects), not saying that the ones that actually are committers are
doing a bad work.
This is also the reason why I submitted my question to Howard and not to
the entire mailing list: I posted it to the ml, because I think the
answer can be of public interest.
I have read again my message , still cannot find the reason of this
incomprehension.
Regards
igor.drobiazko@gmail.com ha scritto:
> Dear Ivano,
>
> I don't feel I need to justify myself but I'll answer to your
> provoking question.
>
> I can't speak for alle the committers but I commit the code to
> Tapestry in my leisure.
> Usually I commit to Tapestry after I worked 8-10 hours for my company.
>
> Right now I'm writing a Tapestry book which is already discussed in
> another thread.
> http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/3827328446/ref=s9_sims_gw_s10_p14_t1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=1HYXTCYBKSQAC48YC077&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375193&pf_rd_i=301128
>
> I believe this book is the most important contribution to Tapestry I
> ever made.
>
> Furthermore I spend my free time to promote Tapestry. For example this
> week in Essen
> See here:
> http://www.ruhrjug.de/vorschau/details/10-tapestry-mit-igor-drobiazko
>
> So please don't tell me it is a shame.
>
> Best regards
>
> On Jun 20, 2009 2:07pm, Ivano Luberti <lu...@archicoop.it> wrote:
>> Howard, it seems to me that Tapestry has really few committers and is
>
>> mainly driven by one man.
>
>> It is a shame for a so beautiful piece of software.
>
>> What is the reason ?
>
>> Simply the typical lack of funding ? Or is a more or less choice made
>
>> by you for whatever reason.
>
>
>
>
>
>> Howard ha scritto:
>
>> > Just got back last night from training in Madison WI. This was
>
>> > primarily an intro to Tapestry 5 for Tapestry 4 developers (and a
>
>> > couple of new-to-web-programming developers) and a lot of hands on
>> pair
>
>> > programming to get them going with their conversion work. It was a lot
>
>> > of fun, and as usual, I learned a bit.
>
>> > I have a couple of weeks respite now before OSCON which will be
>
>> > followed with training in York, UK, then Estonia, then London.
>
>> > I'm continuing to hold off on code changes to Tapestry 5, though I hit
>
>> > enough minor annoyances that I'm considering a 5.1 bug fix release
>
>> > before starting 5.2 in earnest.
>
>> > I have a backlog of work related to Tapestry360 and then my main
>
>> > emphasis is going to be Documentation, Screencasts, Articles,
>
>> > Documentation and Documentation, plus some additional
>> Documentation. It
>
>> > may be a while before I start with new features for 5.2.
>
>> >
>
>> > --
>
>> > Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 6/12/2009 12:56:00 PM
>
>> >
>
>
>
>> --
>
>> ==================================================
>
>> dott. Ivano Mario Luberti
>
>> Archimede Informatica societa' cooperativa a rl
>
>> Sede Operativa
>
>> Via Gereschi 36 - 56126- Pisa
>
>> tel.: +39-050- 580959
>
>> tel/fax: +39-050-9711344
>
>> web: www.archicoop.it
>
>> ==================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: lack of committers
Posted by ig...@gmail.com.
Dear Ivano,
I don't feel I need to justify myself but I'll answer to your provoking
question.
I can't speak for alle the committers but I commit the code to Tapestry in
my leisure.
Usually I commit to Tapestry after I worked 8-10 hours for my company.
Right now I'm writing a Tapestry book which is already discussed in another
thread.
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/3827328446/ref=s9_sims_gw_s10_p14_t1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=1HYXTCYBKSQAC48YC077&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375193&pf_rd_i=301128
I believe this book is the most important contribution to Tapestry I ever
made.
Furthermore I spend my free time to promote Tapestry. For example this week
in Essen
See here:
http://www.ruhrjug.de/vorschau/details/10-tapestry-mit-igor-drobiazko
So please don't tell me it is a shame.
Best regards
On Jun 20, 2009 2:07pm, Ivano Luberti <lu...@archicoop.it> wrote:
> Howard, it seems to me that Tapestry has really few committers and is
> mainly driven by one man.
> It is a shame for a so beautiful piece of software.
> What is the reason ?
> Simply the typical lack of funding ? Or is a more or less choice made
> by you for whatever reason.
> Howard ha scritto:
> > Just got back last night from training in Madison WI. This was
> > primarily an intro to Tapestry 5 for Tapestry 4 developers (and a
> > couple of new-to-web-programming developers) and a lot of hands on pair
> > programming to get them going with their conversion work. It was a lot
> > of fun, and as usual, I learned a bit.
> > I have a couple of weeks respite now before OSCON which will be
> > followed with training in York, UK, then Estonia, then London.
> > I'm continuing to hold off on code changes to Tapestry 5, though I hit
> > enough minor annoyances that I'm considering a 5.1 bug fix release
> > before starting 5.2 in earnest.
> > I have a backlog of work related to Tapestry360 and then my main
> > emphasis is going to be Documentation, Screencasts, Articles,
> > Documentation and Documentation, plus some additional Documentation. It
> > may be a while before I start with new features for 5.2.
> >
> > --
> > Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 6/12/2009 12:56:00 PM
> >
> --
> ==================================================
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lack of committers
Posted by Ivano Luberti <lu...@archicoop.it>.
Howard, it seems to me that Tapestry has really few committers and is
mainly driven by one man.
It is a shame for a so beautiful piece of software.
What is the reason ?
Simply the typical lack of funding ? Or is a more or less choice made
by you for whatever reason.
Howard ha scritto:
> Just got back last night from training in Madison WI. This was
> primarily an intro to Tapestry 5 for Tapestry 4 developers (and a
> couple of new-to-web-programming developers) and a lot of hands on pair
> programming to get them going with their conversion work. It was a lot
> of fun, and as usual, I learned a bit.
> I have a couple of weeks respite now before OSCON which will be
> followed with training in York, UK, then Estonia, then London.
> I'm continuing to hold off on code changes to Tapestry 5, though I hit
> enough minor annoyances that I'm considering a 5.1 bug fix release
> before starting 5.2 in earnest.
> I have a backlog of work related to Tapestry360 and then my main
> emphasis is going to be Documentation, Screencasts, Articles,
> Documentation and Documentation, plus some additional Documentation. It
> may be a while before I start with new features for 5.2.
>
> --
> Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 6/12/2009 12:56:00 PM
>
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