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Posted to dev@shiro.apache.org by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com> on 2010/08/05 18:18:00 UTC
Re: Confluence access
Still "locked" out?
Regards,
Alan
On Aug 4, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
> Yeah, sorry - I've exhausted all of my Confluence know-how :/
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Craig L Russell
> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>> may be time to ask infra to see what might be going wrong.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are you logging in with 'kaosko' username and not the email address?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Logged in and out, but no difference, still can't edit. How odd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just added the 'asf-cla' group to the permissions mapping - this
>>>>>> should allow all confirmed CLA cwiki users to update the
>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But interestingly, you were already part of the 'shiro-admin' and
>>>>>> 'shiro-contributors' groups under the 'kaosko' username - you should
>>>>>> already have the permissions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it work now?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dunno - lemme check.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See, we couldn't do without you! Thanks Craig, Tapestry pages seem ok
>>>>>>>> now but still can't modify anything in SHIRO space - Les, are there
>>>>>>>> any special permissions for it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Kalle,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've added you to a few confluence groups. See if this helped.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki. I'm
>>>>>>>>>> sure I
>>>>>>>>>> checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the Tapestry
>>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>>> before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
>>>>>>>>>> confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is associated
>>>>>>>>>> with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know at
>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>> Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check what's
>>>>>>>>>> wrong,
>>>>>>>>>> could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering
>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
>>
Re: Confluence access
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> My understanding is that since we use the wiki to generate the website people must be in asf-cla. This does not, however, preclude us from setting up a separate wiki space for people to goof around in.
>
Oh I see where the confusion is: asf-cla is the minimum, but
previously our wiki space was open to committers only.
Kalle
Re: Confluence access
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>> No, it's ok now, read the other thread. Embarrassingly enough, I think
>>> it was mostly a user error. However, two things came up regarding our
>>> confluence space while I was resolving this issue with Gavin:
>>> - projects can decide themselves whether everybody in asf-cla can edit
>>> pages or not.
>> Is that true? Where did you hear this from?
>
> Yes, of course it's true. That's exactly what Gavin said and also see
> https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
My understanding is that since we use the wiki to generate the website people must be in asf-cla. This does not, however, preclude us from setting up a separate wiki space for people to goof around in.
Regards,
Alan
Re: Confluence access
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Also, I have no objections to changing the theme.
Cheers,
Les
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> I enabled asf-cla last night only as a measure to see if Kalle could
> log in. However, I agree that it would be good to keep this in place
> (+1). A wiki is all about community contribution. As long as they
> have a CLA on file, I'm all for anyone helping out.
>
> Les
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Kalle Korhonen
> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>> No, it's ok now, read the other thread. Embarrassingly enough, I think
>>>> it was mostly a user error. However, two things came up regarding our
>>>> confluence space while I was resolving this issue with Gavin:
>>>> - projects can decide themselves whether everybody in asf-cla can edit
>>>> pages or not.
>>> Is that true? Where did you hear this from?
>>
>> Yes, of course it's true. That's exactly what Gavin said and also see
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>
Re: Confluence access
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
I enabled asf-cla last night only as a measure to see if Kalle could
log in. However, I agree that it would be good to keep this in place
(+1). A wiki is all about community contribution. As long as they
have a CLA on file, I'm all for anyone helping out.
Les
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>> No, it's ok now, read the other thread. Embarrassingly enough, I think
>>> it was mostly a user error. However, two things came up regarding our
>>> confluence space while I was resolving this issue with Gavin:
>>> - projects can decide themselves whether everybody in asf-cla can edit
>>> pages or not.
>> Is that true? Where did you hear this from?
>
> Yes, of course it's true. That's exactly what Gavin said and also see
> https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
>
> Kalle
>
Re: Confluence access
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>> No, it's ok now, read the other thread. Embarrassingly enough, I think
>> it was mostly a user error. However, two things came up regarding our
>> confluence space while I was resolving this issue with Gavin:
>> - projects can decide themselves whether everybody in asf-cla can edit
>> pages or not.
> Is that true? Where did you hear this from?
Yes, of course it's true. That's exactly what Gavin said and also see
https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
Kalle
Re: Confluence access
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> No, it's ok now, read the other thread. Embarrassingly enough, I think
> it was mostly a user error. However, two things came up regarding our
> confluence space while I was resolving this issue with Gavin:
> - projects can decide themselves whether everybody in asf-cla can edit
> pages or not.
Is that true? Where did you hear this from?
Regards,
Alan
Re: Confluence access
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
No, it's ok now, read the other thread. Embarrassingly enough, I think
it was mostly a user error. However, two things came up regarding our
confluence space while I was resolving this issue with Gavin:
- projects can decide themselves whether everybody in asf-cla can edit
pages or not. We don't currently allow it but I'm all for open access
and it makes it easy to start contributing. Should we allow asf-cla?
- we are using a deprecated Confluence theme and Gavin strongly
suggested changing it. "Documentantion Theme" is probably closest to
what we have now, any objections if I change it?
Kalle
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> Still "locked" out?
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
>> Yeah, sorry - I've exhausted all of my Confluence know-how :/
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Craig L Russell
>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>> may be time to ask infra to see what might be going wrong.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you logging in with 'kaosko' username and not the email address?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Logged in and out, but no difference, still can't edit. How odd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just added the 'asf-cla' group to the permissions mapping - this
>>>>>>> should allow all confirmed CLA cwiki users to update the
>>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But interestingly, you were already part of the 'shiro-admin' and
>>>>>>> 'shiro-contributors' groups under the 'kaosko' username - you should
>>>>>>> already have the permissions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does it work now?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dunno - lemme check.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See, we couldn't do without you! Thanks Craig, Tapestry pages seem ok
>>>>>>>>> now but still can't modify anything in SHIRO space - Les, are there
>>>>>>>>> any special permissions for it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kalle,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've added you to a few confluence groups. See if this helped.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> sure I
>>>>>>>>>>> checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the Tapestry
>>>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>>>> before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
>>>>>>>>>>> confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is associated
>>>>>>>>>>> with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know at
>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>> Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check what's
>>>>>>>>>>> wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>> could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Oracle
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>
>>>
>
>