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Posted to users@buildr.apache.org by Sten Roger Sandvik <sr...@x3m.com> on 2009/11/01 18:11:33 UTC
Buildr or Gradle?
Hi.
I am a heavy Maven 2 user but lately I have been really tired of it. Been
looking at both buildr and gradle for some time now. Tried both buildr and
gradle in some real world settings. Right now I am favouring buildr since it
gives me a good feeling to have control over my build. But I am worrying
about the community. Seems that the gradle community is bigger and more
active than buildr. That is just my feeling.
In my build I have the need of building jars, wars and osgi modules. Could
someone give me a nice overview of pros/cons about buildr vs gradle?
BR,
Sten Roger Sandvik
Re: Buildr or Gradle?
Posted by Daniel Spiewak <dj...@gmail.com>.
Actually, Buildr works surprisingly well under Snow Leopard on MRI. At
least, it does for me. That restores the performance advantage without
killing Java 6 support.
Daniel
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Ittay Dror <it...@tikalk.com> wrote:
>
> Sten Roger Sandvik wrote:
>
> Hi.
>>
>> I am a heavy Maven 2 user but lately I have been really tired of it. Been
>> looking at both buildr and gradle for some time now. Tried both buildr and
>> gradle in some real world settings. Right now I am favouring buildr since
>> it
>> gives me a good feeling to have control over my build. But I am worrying
>> about the community. Seems that the gradle community is bigger and more
>> active than buildr. That is just my feeling.
>>
>> In my build I have the need of building jars, wars and osgi modules. Could
>> someone give me a nice overview of pros/cons about buildr vs gradle?
>>
>>
>
> I wrote something a while ago: http://www.tikalk.com/alm/buildr-vs-gradle.
> There are also discussions in stackoverflow.
>
>
> I went for BuildR, mainly for the performance, but also because the
> architecture looked better (Gradle felt more like a rewrite of Maven in
> Groovy). However, I must say that I'm not so sure about the choice today.
> People are encountering many issues setting up Ruby (not being able to
> install rjb in mac, segmentation faults) and when looking at JRuby, the
> performance advantage is gone. Also, Gradle seems to be more actively
> developed.
>
>
> As for Maven: did you look at maven-antrun-extended-plugin or the groovy
> support?
>
>
> Ittay
>
> BR,
>> Sten Roger Sandvik
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> -- Tikal <http://www.tikalk.com>
> Tikal Project <http://tikal.sourceforge.net>
>
>
>
Re: Buildr or Gradle?
Posted by Sten Roger Sandvik <sr...@x3m.com>.
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Antoine Toulme <an...@lunar-ocean.com>wrote:
> Hi Sten,
>
> please take a quick look at buildr4osgi if you need OSGi support.
>
>
I looked at that. Used Apache Felix bundle plugin for Maven and liked that
approach using Bnd. Is buildr4osgi using some sort of automatic manifest
creation?
> Thanks,
>
> Antoine
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 13:06, Ittay Dror <it...@tikalk.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Sten Roger Sandvik wrote:
> >
> > Hi.
> >>
> >> I am a heavy Maven 2 user but lately I have been really tired of it.
> Been
> >> looking at both buildr and gradle for some time now. Tried both buildr
> and
> >> gradle in some real world settings. Right now I am favouring buildr
> since
> >> it
> >> gives me a good feeling to have control over my build. But I am worrying
> >> about the community. Seems that the gradle community is bigger and more
> >> active than buildr. That is just my feeling.
> >>
> >> In my build I have the need of building jars, wars and osgi modules.
> Could
> >> someone give me a nice overview of pros/cons about buildr vs gradle?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I wrote something a while ago:
> http://www.tikalk.com/alm/buildr-vs-gradle.
> > There are also discussions in stackoverflow.
> >
> >
> > I went for BuildR, mainly for the performance, but also because the
> > architecture looked better (Gradle felt more like a rewrite of Maven in
> > Groovy). However, I must say that I'm not so sure about the choice today.
> > People are encountering many issues setting up Ruby (not being able to
> > install rjb in mac, segmentation faults) and when looking at JRuby, the
> > performance advantage is gone. Also, Gradle seems to be more actively
> > developed.
> >
> >
> > As for Maven: did you look at maven-antrun-extended-plugin or the groovy
> > support?
> >
> >
> > Ittay
> >
> > BR,
> >> Sten Roger Sandvik
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > -- Tikal <http://www.tikalk.com>
> > Tikal Project <http://tikal.sourceforge.net>
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: Buildr or Gradle?
Posted by Antoine Toulme <an...@lunar-ocean.com>.
Hi Sten,
please take a quick look at buildr4osgi if you need OSGi support.
Thanks,
Antoine
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 13:06, Ittay Dror <it...@tikalk.com> wrote:
>
> Sten Roger Sandvik wrote:
>
> Hi.
>>
>> I am a heavy Maven 2 user but lately I have been really tired of it. Been
>> looking at both buildr and gradle for some time now. Tried both buildr and
>> gradle in some real world settings. Right now I am favouring buildr since
>> it
>> gives me a good feeling to have control over my build. But I am worrying
>> about the community. Seems that the gradle community is bigger and more
>> active than buildr. That is just my feeling.
>>
>> In my build I have the need of building jars, wars and osgi modules. Could
>> someone give me a nice overview of pros/cons about buildr vs gradle?
>>
>>
>
> I wrote something a while ago: http://www.tikalk.com/alm/buildr-vs-gradle.
> There are also discussions in stackoverflow.
>
>
> I went for BuildR, mainly for the performance, but also because the
> architecture looked better (Gradle felt more like a rewrite of Maven in
> Groovy). However, I must say that I'm not so sure about the choice today.
> People are encountering many issues setting up Ruby (not being able to
> install rjb in mac, segmentation faults) and when looking at JRuby, the
> performance advantage is gone. Also, Gradle seems to be more actively
> developed.
>
>
> As for Maven: did you look at maven-antrun-extended-plugin or the groovy
> support?
>
>
> Ittay
>
> BR,
>> Sten Roger Sandvik
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> -- Tikal <http://www.tikalk.com>
> Tikal Project <http://tikal.sourceforge.net>
>
>
>
Re: Buildr or Gradle?
Posted by Sten Roger Sandvik <sr...@x3m.com>.
...
>
> As for Maven: did you look at maven-antrun-extended-plugin or the groovy
> support?
>
>
Have not tested the extended antrun plugin. Uses the maven groovy plugin
now for special tasks, but I do not like it. Very difficult to follow the
build logic when you have all thoose different maven plugins. That's what I
like about buildr.
/srs
Re: Buildr or Gradle?
Posted by Ittay Dror <it...@tikalk.com>.
Sten Roger Sandvik wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I am a heavy Maven 2 user but lately I have been really tired of it. Been
> looking at both buildr and gradle for some time now. Tried both buildr and
> gradle in some real world settings. Right now I am favouring buildr since it
> gives me a good feeling to have control over my build. But I am worrying
> about the community. Seems that the gradle community is bigger and more
> active than buildr. That is just my feeling.
>
> In my build I have the need of building jars, wars and osgi modules. Could
> someone give me a nice overview of pros/cons about buildr vs gradle?
>
I wrote something a while ago:
http://www.tikalk.com/alm/buildr-vs-gradle. There are also discussions
in stackoverflow.
I went for BuildR, mainly for the performance, but also because the
architecture looked better (Gradle felt more like a rewrite of Maven in
Groovy). However, I must say that I'm not so sure about the choice
today. People are encountering many issues setting up Ruby (not being
able to install rjb in mac, segmentation faults) and when looking at
JRuby, the performance advantage is gone. Also, Gradle seems to be more
actively developed.
As for Maven: did you look at maven-antrun-extended-plugin or the groovy
support?
Ittay
> BR,
> Sten Roger Sandvik
>
>
--
--
Tikal <http://www.tikalk.com>
Tikal Project <http://tikal.sourceforge.net>
Re: Buildr or Gradle?
Posted by Sten Roger Sandvik <sr...@x3m.com>.
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Alex Boisvert <al...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I haven't taken a serious look at Gaddle's design, but if we take out
> individual features (which may evolve differently on both sides), I would
> think the main deciding factor is your desire to work with either Ruby or
> Groovy.
>
>
Groovy is easier for me (as a Java developer), but Ruby has more "real"
script feeling that I really enjoy.
> On bigger projects, it's likely that you'll either want to extend the build
> tool or find issues (bugs or otherwise) and at that point, your comfort
> level with the language itself becomes quite important if you need to dig
> into the source or debug what's happening.
>
> One particular thing I enjoy about Ruby is the "Ruby is Unix" mentality
> where you can (more) easily interface with other native *nix tools, use
> fork() and such. If your approach is more towards abstracting away the
> operating system, and/or if all your libraries and tools are JVM-based,
> then
> this aspect may not carry as much weight. (Example: Buildr calls 'svn' or
> 'git' directly instead of using equivalent Java libraries)
>
>
That is actually a good thing. To much abstraction in the build system will
lead to more complex build systems. Like the feeling that it is simple and
right to the point. Maven is too heavy weight.
/srs
Re: Buildr or Gradle?
Posted by Alex Boisvert <al...@gmail.com>.
I haven't taken a serious look at Gaddle's design, but if we take out
individual features (which may evolve differently on both sides), I would
think the main deciding factor is your desire to work with either Ruby or
Groovy.
On bigger projects, it's likely that you'll either want to extend the build
tool or find issues (bugs or otherwise) and at that point, your comfort
level with the language itself becomes quite important if you need to dig
into the source or debug what's happening.
One particular thing I enjoy about Ruby is the "Ruby is Unix" mentality
where you can (more) easily interface with other native *nix tools, use
fork() and such. If your approach is more towards abstracting away the
operating system, and/or if all your libraries and tools are JVM-based, then
this aspect may not carry as much weight. (Example: Buildr calls 'svn' or
'git' directly instead of using equivalent Java libraries)
alex
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Sten Roger Sandvik <sr...@x3m.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I am a heavy Maven 2 user but lately I have been really tired of it. Been
> looking at both buildr and gradle for some time now. Tried both buildr and
> gradle in some real world settings. Right now I am favouring buildr since
> it
> gives me a good feeling to have control over my build. But I am worrying
> about the community. Seems that the gradle community is bigger and more
> active than buildr. That is just my feeling.
>
> In my build I have the need of building jars, wars and osgi modules. Could
> someone give me a nice overview of pros/cons about buildr vs gradle?
>
> BR,
> Sten Roger Sandvik
>