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Re: Tapestry 5.3.x and Java 8
Lenny,
As for whether ASM will be upgraded in the next version of 5.3, I
don't see why not, if there is any demand for it. All the developer
focus has been on 5.4, of course, so currently there doesn't seem to
be a need for any 5.3.8 release. As always, that can change.
As I understand it, ASM is "baked in" with a modified package name so
that there isn't a risk of class conflicts with any other occurrences
of ASM in users' applications and libraries such as Hibernate. Read
the last sentence at http://asm.ow2.org/doc/faq.html
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Lenny Primak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us> wrote:
> I am trying to find out about 5.3 specifically, not 5.4.
> I am sure that 5.4 is going to be upgraded to ASM that's compatible with Java 8 at some point,
> but our projects are using 5.3, and we don't plan to upgrade to 5.4 for various reasons.
> So, if there are no plans for upgrading 5.3 to the new ASM, we need to think about
> alternate plans ahead of time.
>
> Also, is there a particular reason why ASM is 'baked in' to plastic, as opposed
> to just having a separate maven / gradle dependency on it?
> Seems to be much easier to upgrade if it's a regular dependency rather than jarjar'd.
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Joachim Van der Auwera wrote:
>
>> I am currently using Tapestry 5.4 on Java8 by applying the patch given in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-2214.
>> I have not (yet) found other issues when using Java8.
>>
>> Personally, I would like to see this patch applied, but I understand that including a non-release version of ASM is not ideal.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Joachim
>>
>> On 01/31/2014 07:44 PM, Lenny Primak wrote:
>>> Is there a plan to update 5.3.x when Java 8 comes out?
>>> Is it just the matter of the version of ASM that is used or is there something
>>> else that precludes 5.3.x to run on Java 8?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
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Re: Tapestry 5.3.x and Java 8
Posted by Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo <th...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 15:34:36 -0200, Lenny Primak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us>
wrote:
> Thanks Bob for the explanation.
> You can put my name of the list of 'demand' for this.
> I am pretty sure that when JDK8 starts breaking T5.3, there will be a lot
> more 'demanders'
Then we do a new 5.3.x release to fix this issue. :)
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Re: Tapestry 5.3.x and Java 8
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
Yes, JDK 8 will largely eliminate the need for tapestry-func, which is OK
... likewise, a lot of the existing code could be tightened up (and
performance possibly improved) using the functional programming
capabilities in JDK 8.
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Lenny Primak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us> wrote:
> Voted. Also added a comment to do the same for 5.3.x
>
> On Feb 2, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Bob Harner wrote:
>
> > Lenny, you add your name to the "demand" list by voting on the issue at
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-2214
> >
> > I've been playing with JDK 8 some myself and see a lot in there that
> > Tapestry could benefit from. At some point (but not soon) we may need a
> JDK
> > 8-specific branch to introduce API changes for lambda expressions,
> default
> > methods, and other cool new toys.
> > On Feb 1, 2014 12:35 PM, "Lenny Primak" <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Bob for the explanation.
> >> You can put my name of the list of 'demand' for this.
> >> I am pretty sure that when JDK8 starts breaking T5.3, there will be a
> lot
> >> more 'demanders'
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 1, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Bob Harner wrote:
> >>
> >>> Lenny,
> >>>
> >>> As for whether ASM will be upgraded in the next version of 5.3, I
> >>> don't see why not, if there is any demand for it. All the developer
> >>> focus has been on 5.4, of course, so currently there doesn't seem to
> >>> be a need for any 5.3.8 release. As always, that can change.
> >>>
> >>> As I understand it, ASM is "baked in" with a modified package name so
> >>> that there isn't a risk of class conflicts with any other occurrences
> >>> of ASM in users' applications and libraries such as Hibernate. Read
> >>> the last sentence at http://asm.ow2.org/doc/faq.html
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Lenny Primak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> I am trying to find out about 5.3 specifically, not 5.4.
> >>>> I am sure that 5.4 is going to be upgraded to ASM that's compatible
> >> with Java 8 at some point,
> >>>> but our projects are using 5.3, and we don't plan to upgrade to 5.4
> for
> >> various reasons.
> >>>> So, if there are no plans for upgrading 5.3 to the new ASM, we need to
> >> think about
> >>>> alternate plans ahead of time.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, is there a particular reason why ASM is 'baked in' to plastic,
> as
> >> opposed
> >>>> to just having a separate maven / gradle dependency on it?
> >>>> Seems to be much easier to upgrade if it's a regular dependency rather
> >> than jarjar'd.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Joachim Van der Auwera wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I am currently using Tapestry 5.4 on Java8 by applying the patch
> given
> >> in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-2214.
> >>>>> I have not (yet) found other issues when using Java8.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Personally, I would like to see this patch applied, but I understand
> >> that including a non-release version of ASM is not ideal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>> Joachim
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 01/31/2014 07:44 PM, Lenny Primak wrote:
> >>>>>> Is there a plan to update 5.3.x when Java 8 comes out?
> >>>>>> Is it just the matter of the version of ASM that is used or is there
> >> something
> >>>>>> else that precludes 5.3.x to run on Java 8?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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Re: Tapestry 5.3.x and Java 8
Posted by Lenny Primak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us>.
Voted. Also added a comment to do the same for 5.3.x
On Feb 2, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Bob Harner wrote:
> Lenny, you add your name to the "demand" list by voting on the issue at
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-2214
>
> I've been playing with JDK 8 some myself and see a lot in there that
> Tapestry could benefit from. At some point (but not soon) we may need a JDK
> 8-specific branch to introduce API changes for lambda expressions, default
> methods, and other cool new toys.
> On Feb 1, 2014 12:35 PM, "Lenny Primak" <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bob for the explanation.
>> You can put my name of the list of 'demand' for this.
>> I am pretty sure that when JDK8 starts breaking T5.3, there will be a lot
>> more 'demanders'
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Bob Harner wrote:
>>
>>> Lenny,
>>>
>>> As for whether ASM will be upgraded in the next version of 5.3, I
>>> don't see why not, if there is any demand for it. All the developer
>>> focus has been on 5.4, of course, so currently there doesn't seem to
>>> be a need for any 5.3.8 release. As always, that can change.
>>>
>>> As I understand it, ASM is "baked in" with a modified package name so
>>> that there isn't a risk of class conflicts with any other occurrences
>>> of ASM in users' applications and libraries such as Hibernate. Read
>>> the last sentence at http://asm.ow2.org/doc/faq.html
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Lenny Primak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us>
>> wrote:
>>>> I am trying to find out about 5.3 specifically, not 5.4.
>>>> I am sure that 5.4 is going to be upgraded to ASM that's compatible
>> with Java 8 at some point,
>>>> but our projects are using 5.3, and we don't plan to upgrade to 5.4 for
>> various reasons.
>>>> So, if there are no plans for upgrading 5.3 to the new ASM, we need to
>> think about
>>>> alternate plans ahead of time.
>>>>
>>>> Also, is there a particular reason why ASM is 'baked in' to plastic, as
>> opposed
>>>> to just having a separate maven / gradle dependency on it?
>>>> Seems to be much easier to upgrade if it's a regular dependency rather
>> than jarjar'd.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Joachim Van der Auwera wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am currently using Tapestry 5.4 on Java8 by applying the patch given
>> in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-2214.
>>>>> I have not (yet) found other issues when using Java8.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I would like to see this patch applied, but I understand
>> that including a non-release version of ASM is not ideal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Joachim
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/31/2014 07:44 PM, Lenny Primak wrote:
>>>>>> Is there a plan to update 5.3.x when Java 8 comes out?
>>>>>> Is it just the matter of the version of ASM that is used or is there
>> something
>>>>>> else that precludes 5.3.x to run on Java 8?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: Tapestry 5.3.x and Java 8
Posted by Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>.
Lenny, you add your name to the "demand" list by voting on the issue at
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-2214
I've been playing with JDK 8 some myself and see a lot in there that
Tapestry could benefit from. At some point (but not soon) we may need a JDK
8-specific branch to introduce API changes for lambda expressions, default
methods, and other cool new toys.
On Feb 1, 2014 12:35 PM, "Lenny Primak" <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us> wrote:
> Thanks Bob for the explanation.
> You can put my name of the list of 'demand' for this.
> I am pretty sure that when JDK8 starts breaking T5.3, there will be a lot
> more 'demanders'
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Bob Harner wrote:
>
> > Lenny,
> >
> > As for whether ASM will be upgraded in the next version of 5.3, I
> > don't see why not, if there is any demand for it. All the developer
> > focus has been on 5.4, of course, so currently there doesn't seem to
> > be a need for any 5.3.8 release. As always, that can change.
> >
> > As I understand it, ASM is "baked in" with a modified package name so
> > that there isn't a risk of class conflicts with any other occurrences
> > of ASM in users' applications and libraries such as Hibernate. Read
> > the last sentence at http://asm.ow2.org/doc/faq.html
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Lenny Primak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us>
> wrote:
> >> I am trying to find out about 5.3 specifically, not 5.4.
> >> I am sure that 5.4 is going to be upgraded to ASM that's compatible
> with Java 8 at some point,
> >> but our projects are using 5.3, and we don't plan to upgrade to 5.4 for
> various reasons.
> >> So, if there are no plans for upgrading 5.3 to the new ASM, we need to
> think about
> >> alternate plans ahead of time.
> >>
> >> Also, is there a particular reason why ASM is 'baked in' to plastic, as
> opposed
> >> to just having a separate maven / gradle dependency on it?
> >> Seems to be much easier to upgrade if it's a regular dependency rather
> than jarjar'd.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 31, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Joachim Van der Auwera wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am currently using Tapestry 5.4 on Java8 by applying the patch given
> in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-2214.
> >>> I have not (yet) found other issues when using Java8.
> >>>
> >>> Personally, I would like to see this patch applied, but I understand
> that including a non-release version of ASM is not ideal.
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards,
> >>> Joachim
> >>>
> >>> On 01/31/2014 07:44 PM, Lenny Primak wrote:
> >>>> Is there a plan to update 5.3.x when Java 8 comes out?
> >>>> Is it just the matter of the version of ASM that is used or is there
> something
> >>>> else that precludes 5.3.x to run on Java 8?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>
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Re: Tapestry 5.3.x and Java 8
Posted by Lenny Primak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us>.
Thanks Bob for the explanation.
You can put my name of the list of 'demand' for this.
I am pretty sure that when JDK8 starts breaking T5.3, there will be a lot
more 'demanders'
On Feb 1, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Bob Harner wrote:
> Lenny,
>
> As for whether ASM will be upgraded in the next version of 5.3, I
> don't see why not, if there is any demand for it. All the developer
> focus has been on 5.4, of course, so currently there doesn't seem to
> be a need for any 5.3.8 release. As always, that can change.
>
> As I understand it, ASM is "baked in" with a modified package name so
> that there isn't a risk of class conflicts with any other occurrences
> of ASM in users' applications and libraries such as Hibernate. Read
> the last sentence at http://asm.ow2.org/doc/faq.html
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Lenny Primak <lp...@hope.nyc.ny.us> wrote:
>> I am trying to find out about 5.3 specifically, not 5.4.
>> I am sure that 5.4 is going to be upgraded to ASM that's compatible with Java 8 at some point,
>> but our projects are using 5.3, and we don't plan to upgrade to 5.4 for various reasons.
>> So, if there are no plans for upgrading 5.3 to the new ASM, we need to think about
>> alternate plans ahead of time.
>>
>> Also, is there a particular reason why ASM is 'baked in' to plastic, as opposed
>> to just having a separate maven / gradle dependency on it?
>> Seems to be much easier to upgrade if it's a regular dependency rather than jarjar'd.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Joachim Van der Auwera wrote:
>>
>>> I am currently using Tapestry 5.4 on Java8 by applying the patch given in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-2214.
>>> I have not (yet) found other issues when using Java8.
>>>
>>> Personally, I would like to see this patch applied, but I understand that including a non-release version of ASM is not ideal.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Joachim
>>>
>>> On 01/31/2014 07:44 PM, Lenny Primak wrote:
>>>> Is there a plan to update 5.3.x when Java 8 comes out?
>>>> Is it just the matter of the version of ASM that is used or is there something
>>>> else that precludes 5.3.x to run on Java 8?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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