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Posted to dev@isis.apache.org by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org> on 2016/07/06 05:47:46 UTC
Is JEE a good bet ?!
Hi Dan,
I guess you have heard of the complains from the communities that Oracle
has abandoned Java EE. There is no any work on JEE 8 specs in the last year.
I know that you want to move to CDI based configuration since a while.
My personal feeling is that Spring (Boot [1]) is much better bet. There is
a lot of new development in Spring and there are a lot of developers with
Spring experience out there already.
Recently someone asked how to use difference profiles for development and
production - this is very simple with plain Spring and a no-brainer with
Spring Boot.
Another example is the integration with Flyway or LiquiBase in Spring Boot
- just add Flyway in the classpath and your migrations are automatically
found and executed without any additional work.
I don't know how good is the integration with JDO/DN though. But maybe this
is another topic for discussion: Did JDO prove itself ? IMO it didn't
succeed very well to gain community and market share. Spring Data [2] does
not provide as transparent APIs as JDO or Hibernate OGM but its conventions
and consistency make it very easy to adopt a new data store. E.g. in my
team we use mainly Spring Data JPA and Spring Data Elasticsearch, and now
maybe we will need to use Redis and the iniitial learning curve and cost to
setup is almost 0. I know that DeltaSpike also provides such module [3] but
they don't have the man-power and community as Spring Data.
Just my 2c against few of the technologies used by Isis :-)
1. http://projects.spring.io/spring-boot/
2. http://projects.spring.io/spring-data/
3. https://deltaspike.apache.org/documentation/data.html
Martin
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> below is the draft of the quarterly report we provide to the ASF board.
> Yell if there's anything you'd llke changing, otherwise I'll submit in a
> couple of days.
>
> Thanks
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> ## Description:
>
> Apache Isis is a framework for rapidly developing domain-driven apps in
> Java.
>
> ## Issues:
>
> There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
>
> ## Activity:
>
> Since the last report we have made two small bug fix releases, v1.12.1 [1]
> and v1.12.2 [2]. (The next release is imminent but hasn't quite made it
> for this status report).
>
> (As reported last quarter), a couple of conference have now taken place.
> The outputs of one of these - an all-day workshop - is available has been
> provided on github [3].
>
> A comment was also made against last quarter's report regarding the slow
> speed of loading up the screencasts page [4]; this has now been reworked
> and
> now loads much faster.
>
> ## Health report:
>
> Project activity (#mails, tickets, commits etc) are all healthy.
>
> The main development activity (for 1.13.0) has been removing technical debt
> and simplifying the code base, with a long-term view of leveraging more of
> the JEE platform (eg CDI) and moving to Java 8 as the minimum requirement
> around the time that Java 9 is released (mid next year). The rationale is
> that the simpler the codebase, the more likely it will encourage
> contributions.
>
> ## PMC changes:
>
> - Currently 11 PMC members.
> - No new PMC members added in the last 3 months
> - Last PMC addition was Martin Grigorov on Tue Dec 23 2014
>
> ## Committer base changes:
>
> - Currently 11 committers.
> - No new committers added in the last 3 months
> - Last committer addition was Martin Tzvetanov Grigorov at Thu Dec 11 2014
>
> ## Releases:
>
> - 1.12.1 was released on Tue Apr 12 2016
> - 1.12.2 was released on Mon Jun 06 2016
>
> ## Mailing list activity:
>
> Compared to lsat quarter when new subscriptions was flat, the number of
> mailing list subscribers has now resumed its upward trend. The new
> screencasts page [4] and a twitter campaign related to that may be part
> of
> the explanation.
>
> - users@isis.apache.org:
> - 171 subscribers (up 16 in the last 3 months):
> - 423 emails sent to list (266 in previous quarter)
>
> - dev@isis.apache.org:
> - 77 subscribers (up 3 in the last 3 months):
> - 832 emails sent to list (759 in previous quarter)
>
>
> ## JIRA activity:
>
> - 101 JIRA tickets created in the last 3 months
> - 109 JIRA tickets closed/resolved in the last 3 months
>
>
> [1] http://isis.apache.org/release-notes.html#r1.12.1
> [2] http://isis.apache.org/release-notes.html#r1.12.2
> [3] https://github.com/danhaywood/spa2016-workshop-outputs
> [4] http://isis.apache.org/screencasts.html
>
Re: Is JEE a good bet ?!
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
Hi Dan,
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
wrote:
> Thanks for those thoughts, Martin.
>
> It's a very good question... and yes, I have seen the rumblings about
> Oracle's non involvement with JEE. They've promised to say something at
> JavaOne, I believe, so I suppose we'll see.
>
Meantime some Oracle manager said that JEE future is safe!
>
> I think you are right that if we aligned ourselves with some more of the
> new-and-shiny, then we'd build up more mindshare and community. To my mind
> Spring does seem to be re-energized with the success of Spring Boot, so it
> does deserve serious consideration.
>
Yet another feature from Spring Boot Devtools - class loader replacement.
It could be used to reload the meta model after change to domain objects.
>
> I suspect that JDO is probably one of the larger "turn-offs". It is
> intention to also enable JPA as an alternative API; DataNucleus supports
> both, of course.
>
> Regarding Spring Data, my perception is that it was initially originally a
> fancy way of using javassist to automatically infer repository
> implementations from the names of methods in repository interfaces. I
> guess the automatically generated impl has to take to some sort of
> provided, so the "-jpa" bit I'm guessing is what it delegates to. Am I
> write about that? Do we know if the JPA implementation is pluggable? If
> it is, then I guess we ought to be able to slot DN in underneath?
>
We use it with Hibernate.
But here is a demo project with EclipseLink -
https://github.com/dsyer/spring-boot-sample-data-eclipselink/, so it is
pluggable.
>
> Thx
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6 July 2016 at 06:47, Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > I guess you have heard of the complains from the communities that Oracle
> > has abandoned Java EE. There is no any work on JEE 8 specs in the last
> > year.
> >
> > I know that you want to move to CDI based configuration since a while.
> > My personal feeling is that Spring (Boot [1]) is much better bet. There
> is
> > a lot of new development in Spring and there are a lot of developers with
> > Spring experience out there already.
> > Recently someone asked how to use difference profiles for development and
> > production - this is very simple with plain Spring and a no-brainer with
> > Spring Boot.
> > Another example is the integration with Flyway or LiquiBase in Spring
> Boot
> > - just add Flyway in the classpath and your migrations are automatically
> > found and executed without any additional work.
> > I don't know how good is the integration with JDO/DN though. But maybe
> this
> > is another topic for discussion: Did JDO prove itself ? IMO it didn't
> > succeed very well to gain community and market share. Spring Data [2]
> does
> > not provide as transparent APIs as JDO or Hibernate OGM but its
> conventions
> > and consistency make it very easy to adopt a new data store. E.g. in my
> > team we use mainly Spring Data JPA and Spring Data Elasticsearch, and now
> > maybe we will need to use Redis and the iniitial learning curve and cost
> to
> > setup is almost 0. I know that DeltaSpike also provides such module [3]
> but
> > they don't have the man-power and community as Spring Data.
> >
> > Just my 2c against few of the technologies used by Isis :-)
> >
> > 1. http://projects.spring.io/spring-boot/
> > 2. http://projects.spring.io/spring-data/
> > 3. https://deltaspike.apache.org/documentation/data.html
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Dan Haywood <
> dan@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > below is the draft of the quarterly report we provide to the ASF board.
> > > Yell if there's anything you'd llke changing, otherwise I'll submit in
> a
> > > couple of days.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ## Description:
> > >
> > > Apache Isis is a framework for rapidly developing domain-driven apps in
> > > Java.
> > >
> > > ## Issues:
> > >
> > > There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
> > >
> > > ## Activity:
> > >
> > > Since the last report we have made two small bug fix releases, v1.12.1
> > [1]
> > > and v1.12.2 [2]. (The next release is imminent but hasn't quite made
> it
> > > for this status report).
> > >
> > > (As reported last quarter), a couple of conference have now taken
> place.
> > > The outputs of one of these - an all-day workshop - is available has
> been
> > > provided on github [3].
> > >
> > > A comment was also made against last quarter's report regarding the
> slow
> > > speed of loading up the screencasts page [4]; this has now been
> reworked
> > > and
> > > now loads much faster.
> > >
> > > ## Health report:
> > >
> > > Project activity (#mails, tickets, commits etc) are all healthy.
> > >
> > > The main development activity (for 1.13.0) has been removing technical
> > debt
> > > and simplifying the code base, with a long-term view of leveraging more
> > of
> > > the JEE platform (eg CDI) and moving to Java 8 as the minimum
> requirement
> > > around the time that Java 9 is released (mid next year). The rationale
> > is
> > > that the simpler the codebase, the more likely it will encourage
> > > contributions.
> > >
> > > ## PMC changes:
> > >
> > > - Currently 11 PMC members.
> > > - No new PMC members added in the last 3 months
> > > - Last PMC addition was Martin Grigorov on Tue Dec 23 2014
> > >
> > > ## Committer base changes:
> > >
> > > - Currently 11 committers.
> > > - No new committers added in the last 3 months
> > > - Last committer addition was Martin Tzvetanov Grigorov at Thu Dec 11
> > 2014
> > >
> > > ## Releases:
> > >
> > > - 1.12.1 was released on Tue Apr 12 2016
> > > - 1.12.2 was released on Mon Jun 06 2016
> > >
> > > ## Mailing list activity:
> > >
> > > Compared to lsat quarter when new subscriptions was flat, the number
> of
> > > mailing list subscribers has now resumed its upward trend. The new
> > > screencasts page [4] and a twitter campaign related to that may be
> part
> > > of
> > > the explanation.
> > >
> > > - users@isis.apache.org:
> > > - 171 subscribers (up 16 in the last 3 months):
> > > - 423 emails sent to list (266 in previous quarter)
> > >
> > > - dev@isis.apache.org:
> > > - 77 subscribers (up 3 in the last 3 months):
> > > - 832 emails sent to list (759 in previous quarter)
> > >
> > >
> > > ## JIRA activity:
> > >
> > > - 101 JIRA tickets created in the last 3 months
> > > - 109 JIRA tickets closed/resolved in the last 3 months
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] http://isis.apache.org/release-notes.html#r1.12.1
> > > [2] http://isis.apache.org/release-notes.html#r1.12.2
> > > [3] https://github.com/danhaywood/spa2016-workshop-outputs
> > > [4] http://isis.apache.org/screencasts.html
> > >
> >
>
AW: Is JEE a good bet ?!
Posted by "Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham GI-DP" <Jo...@Kuehne-Nagel.com>.
Hi,
JEE is probably outlived as are heavy weight application servers.
I don't know Spring Boot too well and have perceived it more like a competitive solution, alongside with *rails.
And I hope it doesn't enforce to scan the classpath for components.
If it doesn't impair Apache Isis' clean approach it may give some boost.
-j
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Óscar Bou [mailto:oscarbou@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2016 10:34
An: dev@isis.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Is JEE a good bet ?!
Hi, Martin and Dan.
I also think it’s a really good choice.
Currently, Spring only has a scaffolding-based solution for the UI (Spring Roo) so a Naked Objects implementation (among many other things) like Apache Isis could be seen as a really good choice for the Spring community on many use cases.
HTH,
Oscar
> El 6 jul 2016, a las 8:07, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> escribió:
>
> Thanks for those thoughts, Martin.
>
> It's a very good question... and yes, I have seen the rumblings about
> Oracle's non involvement with JEE. They've promised to say something
> at JavaOne, I believe, so I suppose we'll see.
>
> I think you are right that if we aligned ourselves with some more of
> the new-and-shiny, then we'd build up more mindshare and community.
> To my mind Spring does seem to be re-energized with the success of
> Spring Boot, so it does deserve serious consideration.
>
> I suspect that JDO is probably one of the larger "turn-offs". It is
> intention to also enable JPA as an alternative API; DataNucleus
> supports both, of course.
>
> Regarding Spring Data, my perception is that it was initially
> originally a fancy way of using javassist to automatically infer
> repository implementations from the names of methods in repository
> interfaces. I guess the automatically generated impl has to take to
> some sort of provided, so the "-jpa" bit I'm guessing is what it
> delegates to. Am I write about that? Do we know if the JPA
> implementation is pluggable? If it is, then I guess we ought to be able to slot DN in underneath?
>
> Thx
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6 July 2016 at 06:47, Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> I guess you have heard of the complains from the communities that
>> Oracle has abandoned Java EE. There is no any work on JEE 8 specs in
>> the last year.
>>
>> I know that you want to move to CDI based configuration since a while.
>> My personal feeling is that Spring (Boot [1]) is much better bet.
>> There is a lot of new development in Spring and there are a lot of
>> developers with Spring experience out there already.
>> Recently someone asked how to use difference profiles for development
>> and production - this is very simple with plain Spring and a
>> no-brainer with Spring Boot.
>> Another example is the integration with Flyway or LiquiBase in Spring
>> Boot
>> - just add Flyway in the classpath and your migrations are
>> automatically found and executed without any additional work.
>> I don't know how good is the integration with JDO/DN though. But
>> maybe this is another topic for discussion: Did JDO prove itself ?
>> IMO it didn't succeed very well to gain community and market share.
>> Spring Data [2] does not provide as transparent APIs as JDO or
>> Hibernate OGM but its conventions and consistency make it very easy
>> to adopt a new data store. E.g. in my team we use mainly Spring Data
>> JPA and Spring Data Elasticsearch, and now maybe we will need to use
>> Redis and the iniitial learning curve and cost to setup is almost 0.
>> I know that DeltaSpike also provides such module [3] but they don't have the man-power and community as Spring Data.
>>
>> Just my 2c against few of the technologies used by Isis :-)
>>
>> 1. http://projects.spring.io/spring-boot/
>> 2. http://projects.spring.io/spring-data/
>> 3. https://deltaspike.apache.org/documentation/data.html
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Dan Haywood
>> <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> below is the draft of the quarterly report we provide to the ASF board.
>>> Yell if there's anything you'd llke changing, otherwise I'll submit
>>> in a couple of days.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ## Description:
>>>
>>> Apache Isis is a framework for rapidly developing domain-driven apps
>>> in Java.
>>>
>>> ## Issues:
>>>
>>> There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
>>>
>>> ## Activity:
>>>
>>> Since the last report we have made two small bug fix releases,
>>> v1.12.1
>> [1]
>>> and v1.12.2 [2]. (The next release is imminent but hasn't quite
>>> made it for this status report).
>>>
>>> (As reported last quarter), a couple of conference have now taken place.
>>> The outputs of one of these - an all-day workshop - is available has
>>> been provided on github [3].
>>>
>>> A comment was also made against last quarter's report regarding the
>>> slow speed of loading up the screencasts page [4]; this has now been
>>> reworked and now loads much faster.
>>>
>>> ## Health report:
>>>
>>> Project activity (#mails, tickets, commits etc) are all healthy.
>>>
>>> The main development activity (for 1.13.0) has been removing
>>> technical
>> debt
>>> and simplifying the code base, with a long-term view of leveraging
>>> more
>> of
>>> the JEE platform (eg CDI) and moving to Java 8 as the minimum
>>> requirement around the time that Java 9 is released (mid next year).
>>> The rationale
>> is
>>> that the simpler the codebase, the more likely it will encourage
>>> contributions.
>>>
>>> ## PMC changes:
>>>
>>> - Currently 11 PMC members.
>>> - No new PMC members added in the last 3 months
>>> - Last PMC addition was Martin Grigorov on Tue Dec 23 2014
>>>
>>> ## Committer base changes:
>>>
>>> - Currently 11 committers.
>>> - No new committers added in the last 3 months
>>> - Last committer addition was Martin Tzvetanov Grigorov at Thu Dec
>>> 11
>> 2014
>>>
>>> ## Releases:
>>>
>>> - 1.12.1 was released on Tue Apr 12 2016
>>> - 1.12.2 was released on Mon Jun 06 2016
>>>
>>> ## Mailing list activity:
>>>
>>> Compared to lsat quarter when new subscriptions was flat, the
>>> number of mailing list subscribers has now resumed its upward
>>> trend. The new screencasts page [4] and a twitter campaign related
>>> to that may be part of the explanation.
>>>
>>> - users@isis.apache.org:
>>> - 171 subscribers (up 16 in the last 3 months):
>>> - 423 emails sent to list (266 in previous quarter)
>>>
>>> - dev@isis.apache.org:
>>> - 77 subscribers (up 3 in the last 3 months):
>>> - 832 emails sent to list (759 in previous quarter)
>>>
>>>
>>> ## JIRA activity:
>>>
>>> - 101 JIRA tickets created in the last 3 months
>>> - 109 JIRA tickets closed/resolved in the last 3 months
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://isis.apache.org/release-notes.html#r1.12.1
>>> [2] http://isis.apache.org/release-notes.html#r1.12.2
>>> [3] https://github.com/danhaywood/spa2016-workshop-outputs
>>> [4] http://isis.apache.org/screencasts.html
>>>
>>
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Re: Is JEE a good bet ?!
Posted by Óscar Bou <os...@gmail.com>.
Hi, Martin and Dan.
I also think it’s a really good choice.
Currently, Spring only has a scaffolding-based solution for the UI (Spring Roo) so a Naked Objects implementation (among many other things) like Apache Isis could be seen as a really good choice for the Spring community on many use cases.
HTH,
Oscar
> El 6 jul 2016, a las 8:07, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> escribió:
>
> Thanks for those thoughts, Martin.
>
> It's a very good question... and yes, I have seen the rumblings about
> Oracle's non involvement with JEE. They've promised to say something at
> JavaOne, I believe, so I suppose we'll see.
>
> I think you are right that if we aligned ourselves with some more of the
> new-and-shiny, then we'd build up more mindshare and community. To my mind
> Spring does seem to be re-energized with the success of Spring Boot, so it
> does deserve serious consideration.
>
> I suspect that JDO is probably one of the larger "turn-offs". It is
> intention to also enable JPA as an alternative API; DataNucleus supports
> both, of course.
>
> Regarding Spring Data, my perception is that it was initially originally a
> fancy way of using javassist to automatically infer repository
> implementations from the names of methods in repository interfaces. I
> guess the automatically generated impl has to take to some sort of
> provided, so the "-jpa" bit I'm guessing is what it delegates to. Am I
> write about that? Do we know if the JPA implementation is pluggable? If
> it is, then I guess we ought to be able to slot DN in underneath?
>
> Thx
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6 July 2016 at 06:47, Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> I guess you have heard of the complains from the communities that Oracle
>> has abandoned Java EE. There is no any work on JEE 8 specs in the last
>> year.
>>
>> I know that you want to move to CDI based configuration since a while.
>> My personal feeling is that Spring (Boot [1]) is much better bet. There is
>> a lot of new development in Spring and there are a lot of developers with
>> Spring experience out there already.
>> Recently someone asked how to use difference profiles for development and
>> production - this is very simple with plain Spring and a no-brainer with
>> Spring Boot.
>> Another example is the integration with Flyway or LiquiBase in Spring Boot
>> - just add Flyway in the classpath and your migrations are automatically
>> found and executed without any additional work.
>> I don't know how good is the integration with JDO/DN though. But maybe this
>> is another topic for discussion: Did JDO prove itself ? IMO it didn't
>> succeed very well to gain community and market share. Spring Data [2] does
>> not provide as transparent APIs as JDO or Hibernate OGM but its conventions
>> and consistency make it very easy to adopt a new data store. E.g. in my
>> team we use mainly Spring Data JPA and Spring Data Elasticsearch, and now
>> maybe we will need to use Redis and the iniitial learning curve and cost to
>> setup is almost 0. I know that DeltaSpike also provides such module [3] but
>> they don't have the man-power and community as Spring Data.
>>
>> Just my 2c against few of the technologies used by Isis :-)
>>
>> 1. http://projects.spring.io/spring-boot/
>> 2. http://projects.spring.io/spring-data/
>> 3. https://deltaspike.apache.org/documentation/data.html
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> below is the draft of the quarterly report we provide to the ASF board.
>>> Yell if there's anything you'd llke changing, otherwise I'll submit in a
>>> couple of days.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ## Description:
>>>
>>> Apache Isis is a framework for rapidly developing domain-driven apps in
>>> Java.
>>>
>>> ## Issues:
>>>
>>> There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
>>>
>>> ## Activity:
>>>
>>> Since the last report we have made two small bug fix releases, v1.12.1
>> [1]
>>> and v1.12.2 [2]. (The next release is imminent but hasn't quite made it
>>> for this status report).
>>>
>>> (As reported last quarter), a couple of conference have now taken place.
>>> The outputs of one of these - an all-day workshop - is available has been
>>> provided on github [3].
>>>
>>> A comment was also made against last quarter's report regarding the slow
>>> speed of loading up the screencasts page [4]; this has now been reworked
>>> and
>>> now loads much faster.
>>>
>>> ## Health report:
>>>
>>> Project activity (#mails, tickets, commits etc) are all healthy.
>>>
>>> The main development activity (for 1.13.0) has been removing technical
>> debt
>>> and simplifying the code base, with a long-term view of leveraging more
>> of
>>> the JEE platform (eg CDI) and moving to Java 8 as the minimum requirement
>>> around the time that Java 9 is released (mid next year). The rationale
>> is
>>> that the simpler the codebase, the more likely it will encourage
>>> contributions.
>>>
>>> ## PMC changes:
>>>
>>> - Currently 11 PMC members.
>>> - No new PMC members added in the last 3 months
>>> - Last PMC addition was Martin Grigorov on Tue Dec 23 2014
>>>
>>> ## Committer base changes:
>>>
>>> - Currently 11 committers.
>>> - No new committers added in the last 3 months
>>> - Last committer addition was Martin Tzvetanov Grigorov at Thu Dec 11
>> 2014
>>>
>>> ## Releases:
>>>
>>> - 1.12.1 was released on Tue Apr 12 2016
>>> - 1.12.2 was released on Mon Jun 06 2016
>>>
>>> ## Mailing list activity:
>>>
>>> Compared to lsat quarter when new subscriptions was flat, the number of
>>> mailing list subscribers has now resumed its upward trend. The new
>>> screencasts page [4] and a twitter campaign related to that may be part
>>> of
>>> the explanation.
>>>
>>> - users@isis.apache.org:
>>> - 171 subscribers (up 16 in the last 3 months):
>>> - 423 emails sent to list (266 in previous quarter)
>>>
>>> - dev@isis.apache.org:
>>> - 77 subscribers (up 3 in the last 3 months):
>>> - 832 emails sent to list (759 in previous quarter)
>>>
>>>
>>> ## JIRA activity:
>>>
>>> - 101 JIRA tickets created in the last 3 months
>>> - 109 JIRA tickets closed/resolved in the last 3 months
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://isis.apache.org/release-notes.html#r1.12.1
>>> [2] http://isis.apache.org/release-notes.html#r1.12.2
>>> [3] https://github.com/danhaywood/spa2016-workshop-outputs
>>> [4] http://isis.apache.org/screencasts.html
>>>
>>
Re: Is JEE a good bet ?!
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
Thanks for those thoughts, Martin.
It's a very good question... and yes, I have seen the rumblings about
Oracle's non involvement with JEE. They've promised to say something at
JavaOne, I believe, so I suppose we'll see.
I think you are right that if we aligned ourselves with some more of the
new-and-shiny, then we'd build up more mindshare and community. To my mind
Spring does seem to be re-energized with the success of Spring Boot, so it
does deserve serious consideration.
I suspect that JDO is probably one of the larger "turn-offs". It is
intention to also enable JPA as an alternative API; DataNucleus supports
both, of course.
Regarding Spring Data, my perception is that it was initially originally a
fancy way of using javassist to automatically infer repository
implementations from the names of methods in repository interfaces. I
guess the automatically generated impl has to take to some sort of
provided, so the "-jpa" bit I'm guessing is what it delegates to. Am I
write about that? Do we know if the JPA implementation is pluggable? If
it is, then I guess we ought to be able to slot DN in underneath?
Thx
Dan
On 6 July 2016 at 06:47, Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> I guess you have heard of the complains from the communities that Oracle
> has abandoned Java EE. There is no any work on JEE 8 specs in the last
> year.
>
> I know that you want to move to CDI based configuration since a while.
> My personal feeling is that Spring (Boot [1]) is much better bet. There is
> a lot of new development in Spring and there are a lot of developers with
> Spring experience out there already.
> Recently someone asked how to use difference profiles for development and
> production - this is very simple with plain Spring and a no-brainer with
> Spring Boot.
> Another example is the integration with Flyway or LiquiBase in Spring Boot
> - just add Flyway in the classpath and your migrations are automatically
> found and executed without any additional work.
> I don't know how good is the integration with JDO/DN though. But maybe this
> is another topic for discussion: Did JDO prove itself ? IMO it didn't
> succeed very well to gain community and market share. Spring Data [2] does
> not provide as transparent APIs as JDO or Hibernate OGM but its conventions
> and consistency make it very easy to adopt a new data store. E.g. in my
> team we use mainly Spring Data JPA and Spring Data Elasticsearch, and now
> maybe we will need to use Redis and the iniitial learning curve and cost to
> setup is almost 0. I know that DeltaSpike also provides such module [3] but
> they don't have the man-power and community as Spring Data.
>
> Just my 2c against few of the technologies used by Isis :-)
>
> 1. http://projects.spring.io/spring-boot/
> 2. http://projects.spring.io/spring-data/
> 3. https://deltaspike.apache.org/documentation/data.html
>
> Martin
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > below is the draft of the quarterly report we provide to the ASF board.
> > Yell if there's anything you'd llke changing, otherwise I'll submit in a
> > couple of days.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ## Description:
> >
> > Apache Isis is a framework for rapidly developing domain-driven apps in
> > Java.
> >
> > ## Issues:
> >
> > There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
> >
> > ## Activity:
> >
> > Since the last report we have made two small bug fix releases, v1.12.1
> [1]
> > and v1.12.2 [2]. (The next release is imminent but hasn't quite made it
> > for this status report).
> >
> > (As reported last quarter), a couple of conference have now taken place.
> > The outputs of one of these - an all-day workshop - is available has been
> > provided on github [3].
> >
> > A comment was also made against last quarter's report regarding the slow
> > speed of loading up the screencasts page [4]; this has now been reworked
> > and
> > now loads much faster.
> >
> > ## Health report:
> >
> > Project activity (#mails, tickets, commits etc) are all healthy.
> >
> > The main development activity (for 1.13.0) has been removing technical
> debt
> > and simplifying the code base, with a long-term view of leveraging more
> of
> > the JEE platform (eg CDI) and moving to Java 8 as the minimum requirement
> > around the time that Java 9 is released (mid next year). The rationale
> is
> > that the simpler the codebase, the more likely it will encourage
> > contributions.
> >
> > ## PMC changes:
> >
> > - Currently 11 PMC members.
> > - No new PMC members added in the last 3 months
> > - Last PMC addition was Martin Grigorov on Tue Dec 23 2014
> >
> > ## Committer base changes:
> >
> > - Currently 11 committers.
> > - No new committers added in the last 3 months
> > - Last committer addition was Martin Tzvetanov Grigorov at Thu Dec 11
> 2014
> >
> > ## Releases:
> >
> > - 1.12.1 was released on Tue Apr 12 2016
> > - 1.12.2 was released on Mon Jun 06 2016
> >
> > ## Mailing list activity:
> >
> > Compared to lsat quarter when new subscriptions was flat, the number of
> > mailing list subscribers has now resumed its upward trend. The new
> > screencasts page [4] and a twitter campaign related to that may be part
> > of
> > the explanation.
> >
> > - users@isis.apache.org:
> > - 171 subscribers (up 16 in the last 3 months):
> > - 423 emails sent to list (266 in previous quarter)
> >
> > - dev@isis.apache.org:
> > - 77 subscribers (up 3 in the last 3 months):
> > - 832 emails sent to list (759 in previous quarter)
> >
> >
> > ## JIRA activity:
> >
> > - 101 JIRA tickets created in the last 3 months
> > - 109 JIRA tickets closed/resolved in the last 3 months
> >
> >
> > [1] http://isis.apache.org/release-notes.html#r1.12.1
> > [2] http://isis.apache.org/release-notes.html#r1.12.2
> > [3] https://github.com/danhaywood/spa2016-workshop-outputs
> > [4] http://isis.apache.org/screencasts.html
> >
>
Re: Is JEE a good bet ?!
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
Also there is an integration with GraphQL:
https://github.com/oembedler/graphql-spring-boot (another thing an Isis
user asked for recently).
Martin Grigorov
Wicket Training and Consulting
https://twitter.com/mtgrigorov
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:47 AM, Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> I guess you have heard of the complains from the communities that Oracle
> has abandoned Java EE. There is no any work on JEE 8 specs in the last year.
>
> I know that you want to move to CDI based configuration since a while.
> My personal feeling is that Spring (Boot [1]) is much better bet. There is
> a lot of new development in Spring and there are a lot of developers with
> Spring experience out there already.
> Recently someone asked how to use difference profiles for development and
> production - this is very simple with plain Spring and a no-brainer with
> Spring Boot.
> Another example is the integration with Flyway or LiquiBase in Spring Boot
> - just add Flyway in the classpath and your migrations are automatically
> found and executed without any additional work.
> I don't know how good is the integration with JDO/DN though. But maybe
> this is another topic for discussion: Did JDO prove itself ? IMO it didn't
> succeed very well to gain community and market share. Spring Data [2] does
> not provide as transparent APIs as JDO or Hibernate OGM but its conventions
> and consistency make it very easy to adopt a new data store. E.g. in my
> team we use mainly Spring Data JPA and Spring Data Elasticsearch, and now
> maybe we will need to use Redis and the iniitial learning curve and cost to
> setup is almost 0. I know that DeltaSpike also provides such module [3] but
> they don't have the man-power and community as Spring Data.
>
> Just my 2c against few of the technologies used by Isis :-)
>
> 1. http://projects.spring.io/spring-boot/
> 2. http://projects.spring.io/spring-data/
> 3. https://deltaspike.apache.org/documentation/data.html
>
> Martin
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> below is the draft of the quarterly report we provide to the ASF board.
>> Yell if there's anything you'd llke changing, otherwise I'll submit in a
>> couple of days.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ## Description:
>>
>> Apache Isis is a framework for rapidly developing domain-driven apps in
>> Java.
>>
>> ## Issues:
>>
>> There are no issues requiring board attention at this time.
>>
>> ## Activity:
>>
>> Since the last report we have made two small bug fix releases, v1.12.1 [1]
>> and v1.12.2 [2]. (The next release is imminent but hasn't quite made it
>> for this status report).
>>
>> (As reported last quarter), a couple of conference have now taken place.
>> The outputs of one of these - an all-day workshop - is available has been
>> provided on github [3].
>>
>> A comment was also made against last quarter's report regarding the slow
>> speed of loading up the screencasts page [4]; this has now been reworked
>> and
>> now loads much faster.
>>
>> ## Health report:
>>
>> Project activity (#mails, tickets, commits etc) are all healthy.
>>
>> The main development activity (for 1.13.0) has been removing technical
>> debt
>> and simplifying the code base, with a long-term view of leveraging more of
>> the JEE platform (eg CDI) and moving to Java 8 as the minimum requirement
>> around the time that Java 9 is released (mid next year). The rationale is
>> that the simpler the codebase, the more likely it will encourage
>> contributions.
>>
>> ## PMC changes:
>>
>> - Currently 11 PMC members.
>> - No new PMC members added in the last 3 months
>> - Last PMC addition was Martin Grigorov on Tue Dec 23 2014
>>
>> ## Committer base changes:
>>
>> - Currently 11 committers.
>> - No new committers added in the last 3 months
>> - Last committer addition was Martin Tzvetanov Grigorov at Thu Dec 11
>> 2014
>>
>> ## Releases:
>>
>> - 1.12.1 was released on Tue Apr 12 2016
>> - 1.12.2 was released on Mon Jun 06 2016
>>
>> ## Mailing list activity:
>>
>> Compared to lsat quarter when new subscriptions was flat, the number of
>> mailing list subscribers has now resumed its upward trend. The new
>> screencasts page [4] and a twitter campaign related to that may be part
>> of
>> the explanation.
>>
>> - users@isis.apache.org:
>> - 171 subscribers (up 16 in the last 3 months):
>> - 423 emails sent to list (266 in previous quarter)
>>
>> - dev@isis.apache.org:
>> - 77 subscribers (up 3 in the last 3 months):
>> - 832 emails sent to list (759 in previous quarter)
>>
>>
>> ## JIRA activity:
>>
>> - 101 JIRA tickets created in the last 3 months
>> - 109 JIRA tickets closed/resolved in the last 3 months
>>
>>
>> [1] http://isis.apache.org/release-notes.html#r1.12.1
>> [2] http://isis.apache.org/release-notes.html#r1.12.2
>> [3] https://github.com/danhaywood/spa2016-workshop-outputs
>> [4] http://isis.apache.org/screencasts.html
>>
>
>