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Posted to users@openoffice.apache.org by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com> on 2014/11/28 07:16:04 UTC
Re: Can't connect to OpenOffice word document after Apache
update
At 16:50 28/11/2014 +1100, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>Go to C:\Program Files\OpenOffice 4\program and copy the file
>soffice.exe and paste on your desktop.
Aaargh! Please don't suggest such misuse of a computer and its files.
People reading a public mailing list shouldn't be advised to use such
bad practice.
Under any operating system, if you need a way to invoke a program
from the desktop, there is always a proper and sensible way to create
a shortcut. In any case, if you were to run a program from the
desktop instead of in its proper location, there is no guarantee that
its necessary components and so on will be found correctly.
Brian Barker
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Re: Can't connect to OpenOffice word document after Apache
update
Posted by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com>.
At 17:41 28/11/2014 +1100, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>On 28-11-2014 17:16, Brian Barker wrote:
>>At 16:50 28/11/2014 +1100, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>>>Go to C:\Program Files\OpenOffice 4\program and copy the file
>>>soffice.exe and paste on your desktop.
>>
>>Aaargh! Please don't suggest such misuse of a computer and its
>>files. People reading a public mailing list shouldn't be advised to
>>use such bad practice.
>
>In what way is this a bad practice?
Where do I start?
o You have an unnecessary copy of the file.
o The desktop is a fragile file area where files can easily become
damaged or deleted.
o If you have roaming profiles, the desktop may be limited in size
and a ten-megabyte file may be problematic. In any case, the
consequent copying of such a file from and to a server when you log
in or out will slow these processes.
o When the user upgrades the product, they will still start the file
on the desktop, so they will be running an old version of soffice.exe
with a different version of OpenOffice installed. Can you guarantee
this will work? (No.) Will you be around then to advise users who
have followed your advice?
>>Under any operating system, if you need a way to invoke a program
>>from the desktop, there is always a proper and sensible way to
>>create a shortcut.
>
>The way I described doesn't copy the file it create a shortcut.
Aha! Is that what you *meant*? Creating a desktop shortcut is good
advice (though it can be done more easily from the All Programs
menus). But what you wrote - "copy the file ... and paste" clearly
described pasting a copy, not a shortcut. Thank you for now making
clear what you meant.
>>In any case, if you were to run a program from the desktop instead
>>of in its proper location, there is no guarantee that its necessary
>>components and so on will be found correctly.
>
>When you install OpenOffice it creates a shortcut onto your desktop
>(can't remember if it is optional) Checking the properties of both
>shortcuts they are identical.
If we are now talking about a shortcut, not a copy, then that is so, of course.
>So if there is no guarantee that it can find the necessary
>components then the installation script is wrong.
No, there would be a difference if you ran the actual file from the
desktop, as you had described - but not if you are running a shortcut
there which runs the program _in situ_ - as it is now clear you
meant. We are agreed on that.
Brian Barker
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Re: Can't connect to OpenOffice word document after Apache update
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
On 28-11-2014 17:16, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 16:50 28/11/2014 +1100, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>> Go to C:\Program Files\OpenOffice 4\program and copy the file
>> soffice.exe and paste on your desktop.
>
> Aaargh! Please don't suggest such misuse of a computer and its files.
> People reading a public mailing list shouldn't be advised to use such
> bad practice.
In what way is this a bad practice?
>
> Under any operating system, if you need a way to invoke a program from
> the desktop, there is always a proper and sensible way to create a
> shortcut.
The way I described doesn't copy the file it create a shortcut.
> In any case, if you were to run a program from the desktop instead of
> in its proper location, there is no guarantee that its necessary
> components and so on will be found correctly.
When you install OpenOffice it creates a shortcut onto your desktop
(can't remember if it is optional)
Checking the properties of both shortcuts they are identical. So if
there is no guarantee that it can find
the necessary components then the installation script is wrong.
>
> Brian Barker
>
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Re: Can't connect to OpenOffice word document after Apache
update
Posted by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com>.
At 20:58 28/11/2014 +1100, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>Sorry Brian, you can't judge what I meant.
Oh dear: this is getting rather daft! Surely anyone can judge anyone?
But it happens that I haven't judged you - only commented on the
ideas you put forward. But - perversely - you are judging me - by
saying I "can't" do whatever!
Or do you mean that I shouldn't guess what you meant from what you
wrote? I didn't do that either: I just commented on what you wrote
first (copy and paste the file) and then on what you subsequently
explained you meant (create a shortcut to the file).
I don't see why you think we are in dispute. Your recommendation (now
made clear) is to create a desktop shortcut. I'm happy with that and
have made that clear. Where is the problem?
>And this forum is not to defend ourself but to support users.
I reserve the right to defend myself and will fight for your right to
do so, too. And it's odd that you should make that claim in a message
whose purpose was surely (quite rightly) to defend yourself!
But your point about supporting users is spot on. And that is
precisely why I replied to your original message (and indeed why I
chose to do so publicly). It was important that no-one should think
that copying and pasting the file itself, as stated in your original
message ("copy the file ... and paste") was a good idea. As soon as
you indicated that you meant creating a shortcut, I immediately
agreed, suggesting that this was "good advice". If that's a
judgement, it's a positive and complimentary one. Have a gold star!
Surely we are now reading from the same hymn sheet?
Brian Barker
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Re: Can't connect to OpenOffice word document after Apache update
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
On 28-11-2014 20:10, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 09:51 28/11/2014 +0100, Marina Tonly wrote:
>> On 28/11/14 at 7:16 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
>>> At 16:50 28/11/2014 +1100, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>>>> Go to C:\Program Files\OpenOffice 4\program and copy the file
>>>> soffice.exe and paste on your desktop.
>>>
>>> Aaargh! Please don't suggest such misuse of a computer and its
>>> files. People reading a public mailing list shouldn't be advised to
>>> use such bad practice.
>>
>> True, I haven't used Windows for some time now, but what Martin
>> suggested used to be the correct way to add a shortcut to the
>> desktop, as was explained in Window's own online Help.
>
> No: what he suggested (though it transpired he didn't mean to) and
> what I was replying to above was *copying* the file, not creating a
> shortcut. Creating desktop shortcuts can indeed be a Good Thing!
>
Sorry Brian, you can't judge what I meant. And this forum is not to
defend ourself but to support users.
>> For updated instructions, here's what a quick search on
>> Duckduckgo.com produced, straight from Microsoft's online support
>> Website:
>> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/140443>
>
> All that is about creating shortcuts: there is no mention of copying
> files. And the instructions there are very general to cater for all
> circumstances. If, as will be the case with OpenOffice, there are
> already shortcuts in the All Programs menu, those can be used as a
> source for creating desktop shortcuts more easily and more reliably
> than by burrowing down for the executables themselves.
>
> Brian Barker
>
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Re: Can't connect to OpenOffice word document after Apache
update
Posted by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com>.
At 09:51 28/11/2014 +0100, Marina Tonly wrote:
>On 28/11/14 at 7:16 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
>>At 16:50 28/11/2014 +1100, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>>>Go to C:\Program Files\OpenOffice 4\program and copy the file
>>>soffice.exe and paste on your desktop.
>>
>>Aaargh! Please don't suggest such misuse of a computer and its
>>files. People reading a public mailing list shouldn't be advised to
>>use such bad practice.
>
>True, I haven't used Windows for some time now, but what Martin
>suggested used to be the correct way to add a shortcut to the
>desktop, as was explained in Window's own online Help.
No: what he suggested (though it transpired he didn't mean to) and
what I was replying to above was *copying* the file, not creating a
shortcut. Creating desktop shortcuts can indeed be a Good Thing!
>For updated instructions, here's what a quick search on
>Duckduckgo.com produced, straight from Microsoft's online support Website:
> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/140443>
All that is about creating shortcuts: there is no mention of copying
files. And the instructions there are very general to cater for all
circumstances. If, as will be the case with OpenOffice, there are
already shortcuts in the All Programs menu, those can be used as a
source for creating desktop shortcuts more easily and more reliably
than by burrowing down for the executables themselves.
Brian Barker
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Re: Can't connect to OpenOffice word document after Apache update
Posted by mt <mt...@lockedbags.org>.
On 28/11/14 at 7:16 AM, b.m.barker@btinternet.com (Brian Barker) wrote:
>At 16:50 28/11/2014 +1100, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>>Go to C:\Program Files\OpenOffice 4\program and copy the file
>>soffice.exe and paste on your desktop.
>
>Aaargh! Please don't suggest such misuse of a computer and its
>files. People reading a public mailing list shouldn't be
>advised to use such bad practice.
>
True, I haven't used Windows for some time now, but what Martin
suggested used to be the correct way to add a shortcut to the
desktop, as was explained in Window's own online Help.
For updated instructions, here's what a quick search on
Duckduckgo.com produced, straight from Microsoft's online
support Website:
<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/140443>
marina
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