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The big balagan...
Because of the major foul-up of a couple of list members today by sending out the
complete addresses of everyone in the 'To' field, it made me think to ask a
question that might possibly help end or at least slow that kind of mistake down.
Is there a way to make it so that when the compose window opens it's automatically
made to 'Bcc' instead of 'To', unless the 'List' button is clicked?
This way, if someone wants to let the world know who it's actually 'To', they have
to open the drop-down list and select it, just as we have to do now to select
'Bcc'.
This can also come in handy for even the most careful of us who can sometimes
accidentally do the same mistake as was made here today (I've done it once since
'95, but that's once enough!).
JB
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Re: The big balagan...
Posted by JB <yo...@lavabit.com>.
On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:22:02 -0700
John Hart <jh...@testra.com> wrote:
> On 2/21/2013 12:44 PM, JB wrote:
> > Because of the major foul-up of a couple of list members today by sending out
> > the complete addresses of everyone in the 'To' field, it made me think to ask a
> > question that might possibly help end or at least slow that kind of mistake down.
> >
> >
> How did this happen? I received only the first part of the list in one
> email and the last part in another. Hardly enough to keep a spam
> generator happy for more than a few seconds!
>
> PLEASE keep the list secure, I get more than enough spam already!
>
> And what did the subject,
> Today is International Mother Language Day
>
> have to do with the AOO user forum?
>
> jrh
>
You seem to have missed the point. If *your* email address had been in that clump
of addresses, would *you* have been just tickled pink to find out? And especially
so after you started to receive hundreds of spam e-mails all of a sudden in your
inbox?
Anyway, do you have an answer to my question of automatic 'Bcc' instead of 'To' or
no?
I also didn't understand the reason for the IMLD thing, but it was small and the
list is actually relatively slow compared to others I'm on...at ~10/day, that's
not enough to fret over consuming all my free time about.
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Re: using tinyurl or is.gd
Posted by Jeffrey Deutsch <jd...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org> wrote:
> The whole point about tinyurls being untrustworthy is that they hide the
> real url and you never know what you are actually clicking on. Many
> unscrupulous people take advantage of that to send malicious links to all
> sorts of places and so now people are hesitant to click on such a link
> unless he knows and trusts the person who sent it. Someone else pointed out
> that with is.gd it is possible to preview the site to see where you are
> going before actually following the link. It has nothing to do with a link
> getting corrupted.
>
> Dale Erwin
> Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
> Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
> http://leather.casaerwin.org
Hello Dale,
Yes, I posted earlier in detail on ways in which anyone can preview an
is.gd link. One way is putting a - right at the end for each link you
want to preview.
Andrew, very interesting point about finding out more from the long
URL. The preview page for a shortened URL should provide the long URL.
In any case, I see no harm from also providing the long URL as long as
it's crystal-clear that the two are equivalent.
Cheers,
Jeff Deutsch
Speaker & Life Coach
A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
http://www.asplint.com
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> On 2/24/2013 3:33 PM, Ernie Kurtz wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Jeff, you answered my question thoroughly: is.gd URLs are
>> trustworthy so long as the site to which they point is legitimate. I assume
>> the same is true for tinyurls, but with so many being warned about them, it
>> would seem wiser not to use tinyurl (even though I prefer all lower case to
>> is.gd's melange). And from what the link you sent says, it seems wise to
>> avoid .ly domains. What is gd, by the way, Greenland?
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> ernie
>>
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Jeffrey Deutsch wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Ernie Kurtz<ku...@umich.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> James and Jeffrey and Andrea, thank you! I do appreciate the warnings.
>>>>
>>>> Now a related question: is it possible to corrupt an already tied URL?
>>>> I am working toward primarily print publication: if I put a tinyurl or
>>>> is.gd link in print, for the reader to key in, can it somehow be corrupted?
>>>> Even if there is an electronic version of what I write, can a link given in
>>>> that format be corrupted? I have been under the impression that malware
>>>> lurked in URLs posted online. Is that incorrect?
>>>>
>>>> ernie kurtz
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hello Ernie,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure exactly what you mean by a URL being corrupted. I can say
>>> that at least with is.gd, once the URL is set it can't be changed
>>> (including being redirected to a malware or other bad site). So once
>>> you shorten a link to a good site, it stays that way (as long as the
>>> site itself does).
>>>
>>> Incidentally, if you're shortening a link yourself, reconsider the
>>> wisdom of doing so in bit.ly:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2010/10/the-ly-domain-space-to-be-considered-unsafe/
>>>
>>> (That URL comes from is.gd.)
>>>
>>> PS: Feel free to call me Jeff - Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jeff Deutsch
>>> Speaker & Life Coach
>>> A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
>>> http://www.asplint.com
>>>
>>> Your mood can affect how you read this e-mail. Please read it with a
>>> smile.
>>> (http://tonecheck.com)
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Re: using tinyurl or is.gd
Posted by Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org>.
The whole point about tinyurls being untrustworthy is that they hide the
real url and you never know what you are actually clicking on. Many
unscrupulous people take advantage of that to send malicious links to
all sorts of places and so now people are hesitant to click on such a
link unless he knows and trusts the person who sent it. Someone else
pointed out that with is.gd it is possible to preview the site to see
where you are going before actually following the link. It has nothing
to do with a link getting corrupted.
Dale Erwin
Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03
Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU
http://leather.casaerwin.org
On 2/24/2013 3:33 PM, Ernie Kurtz wrote:
> Thanks, Jeff, you answered my question thoroughly: is.gd URLs are trustworthy so long as the site to which they point is legitimate. I assume the same is true for tinyurls, but with so many being warned about them, it would seem wiser not to use tinyurl (even though I prefer all lower case to is.gd's melange). And from what the link you sent says, it seems wise to avoid .ly domains. What is gd, by the way, Greenland?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> ernie
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Jeffrey Deutsch wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Ernie Kurtz<ku...@umich.edu> wrote:
>>> James and Jeffrey and Andrea, thank you! I do appreciate the warnings.
>>>
>>> Now a related question: is it possible to corrupt an already tied URL? I am working toward primarily print publication: if I put a tinyurl or is.gd link in print, for the reader to key in, can it somehow be corrupted? Even if there is an electronic version of what I write, can a link given in that format be corrupted? I have been under the impression that malware lurked in URLs posted online. Is that incorrect?
>>>
>>> ernie kurtz
>>>
>>>
>> Hello Ernie,
>>
>> I'm not sure exactly what you mean by a URL being corrupted. I can say
>> that at least with is.gd, once the URL is set it can't be changed
>> (including being redirected to a malware or other bad site). So once
>> you shorten a link to a good site, it stays that way (as long as the
>> site itself does).
>>
>> Incidentally, if you're shortening a link yourself, reconsider the
>> wisdom of doing so in bit.ly:
>>
>> http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2010/10/the-ly-domain-space-to-be-considered-unsafe/
>>
>> (That URL comes from is.gd.)
>>
>> PS: Feel free to call me Jeff - Thanks!
>>
>> Jeff Deutsch
>> Speaker & Life Coach
>> A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
>> http://www.asplint.com
>>
>> Your mood can affect how you read this e-mail. Please read it with a smile.
>> (http://tonecheck.com)
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Re: using tinyurl or is.gd
Posted by Jeffrey Deutsch <jd...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Ernie Kurtz <ku...@umich.edu> wrote:
> Thanks, Jeff, you answered my question thoroughly: is.gd URLs are trustworthy so long as the site to which they point is legitimate. I assume the same is true for tinyurls, but with so many being warned about them, it would seem wiser not to use tinyurl (even though I prefer all lower case to is.gd's melange). And from what the link you sent says, it seems wise to avoid .ly domains. What is gd, by the way, Greenland?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> ernie
Hello Ernie,
The British ISP Memset founded and hosts is.gd (and v.gd) as a service
to the Internet, based on the British possession of Grenada. They
fully expect to be able to continue for a long time, and they make
clear that once a link is shortened that assignment is permanent.
Dennis, good points about security concerns. I posted previously about
how any viewer can preview an is.gd link.
Also, you're right about how shortened links can really help in print.
People have two reasons to give shortened links even online:
(1) Some people's email readers and browsers break very long URLs.
Technically, one can still copy and paste the full URL. In practice,
some just won't bother.
(2) Link shorteners -- including is.gd -- offer tracking mechanisms so
one can monitor, for example, just how many views the link has had,
when they took place, from what countries, using what browsers, what
sites referred them and the like.
Cheers,
Jeff Deutsch
Speaker & Life Coach
A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
http://www.asplint.com
Your mood can affect how you read this e-mail. Please read it with a smile.
(http://tonecheck.com)
>
> On Feb 24, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Jeffrey Deutsch wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Ernie Kurtz <ku...@umich.edu> wrote:
>>> James and Jeffrey and Andrea, thank you! I do appreciate the warnings.
>>>
>>> Now a related question: is it possible to corrupt an already tied URL? I am working toward primarily print publication: if I put a tinyurl or is.gd link in print, for the reader to key in, can it somehow be corrupted? Even if there is an electronic version of what I write, can a link given in that format be corrupted? I have been under the impression that malware lurked in URLs posted online. Is that incorrect?
>>>
>>> ernie kurtz
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hello Ernie,
>>
>> I'm not sure exactly what you mean by a URL being corrupted. I can say
>> that at least with is.gd, once the URL is set it can't be changed
>> (including being redirected to a malware or other bad site). So once
>> you shorten a link to a good site, it stays that way (as long as the
>> site itself does).
>>
>> Incidentally, if you're shortening a link yourself, reconsider the
>> wisdom of doing so in bit.ly:
>>
>> http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2010/10/the-ly-domain-space-to-be-considered-unsafe/
>>
>> (That URL comes from is.gd.)
>>
>> PS: Feel free to call me Jeff - Thanks!
>>
>> Jeff Deutsch
>> Speaker & Life Coach
>> A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
>> http://www.asplint.com
>>
>> Your mood can affect how you read this e-mail. Please read it with a smile.
>> (http://tonecheck.com)
>
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Re: using tinyurl or is.gd
Posted by Ernie Kurtz <ku...@umich.edu>.
Thanks, Jeff, you answered my question thoroughly: is.gd URLs are trustworthy so long as the site to which they point is legitimate. I assume the same is true for tinyurls, but with so many being warned about them, it would seem wiser not to use tinyurl (even though I prefer all lower case to is.gd's melange). And from what the link you sent says, it seems wise to avoid .ly domains. What is gd, by the way, Greenland?
Thanks again.
ernie
On Feb 24, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Jeffrey Deutsch wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Ernie Kurtz <ku...@umich.edu> wrote:
>> James and Jeffrey and Andrea, thank you! I do appreciate the warnings.
>>
>> Now a related question: is it possible to corrupt an already tied URL? I am working toward primarily print publication: if I put a tinyurl or is.gd link in print, for the reader to key in, can it somehow be corrupted? Even if there is an electronic version of what I write, can a link given in that format be corrupted? I have been under the impression that malware lurked in URLs posted online. Is that incorrect?
>>
>> ernie kurtz
>>
>>
>
> Hello Ernie,
>
> I'm not sure exactly what you mean by a URL being corrupted. I can say
> that at least with is.gd, once the URL is set it can't be changed
> (including being redirected to a malware or other bad site). So once
> you shorten a link to a good site, it stays that way (as long as the
> site itself does).
>
> Incidentally, if you're shortening a link yourself, reconsider the
> wisdom of doing so in bit.ly:
>
> http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2010/10/the-ly-domain-space-to-be-considered-unsafe/
>
> (That URL comes from is.gd.)
>
> PS: Feel free to call me Jeff - Thanks!
>
> Jeff Deutsch
> Speaker & Life Coach
> A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
> http://www.asplint.com
>
> Your mood can affect how you read this e-mail. Please read it with a smile.
> (http://tonecheck.com)
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Re: using tinyurl or is.gd
Posted by Jeffrey Deutsch <jd...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Ernie Kurtz <ku...@umich.edu> wrote:
> James and Jeffrey and Andrea, thank you! I do appreciate the warnings.
>
> Now a related question: is it possible to corrupt an already tied URL? I am working toward primarily print publication: if I put a tinyurl or is.gd link in print, for the reader to key in, can it somehow be corrupted? Even if there is an electronic version of what I write, can a link given in that format be corrupted? I have been under the impression that malware lurked in URLs posted online. Is that incorrect?
>
> ernie kurtz
>
>
Hello Ernie,
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by a URL being corrupted. I can say
that at least with is.gd, once the URL is set it can't be changed
(including being redirected to a malware or other bad site). So once
you shorten a link to a good site, it stays that way (as long as the
site itself does).
Incidentally, if you're shortening a link yourself, reconsider the
wisdom of doing so in bit.ly:
http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2010/10/the-ly-domain-space-to-be-considered-unsafe/
(That URL comes from is.gd.)
PS: Feel free to call me Jeff - Thanks!
Jeff Deutsch
Speaker & Life Coach
A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
http://www.asplint.com
Your mood can affect how you read this e-mail. Please read it with a smile.
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Re: using tinyurl or is.gd
Posted by Andrew Douglas Pitonyak <an...@pitonyak.org>.
On 02/24/2013 02:31 PM, Ernie Kurtz wrote:
> I am working toward primarily print publication:
Although a "tiny" URL is easier to type, a longer usually URL provides
more information. If you use a tiny URL, I recommend that you find a way
to also include the full version. Then, those that are leery of tiny
URLs are happy, and, the user will know the site name (and similar)
--
Andrew Pitonyak
My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
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RE: using tinyurl or is.gd
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Someone can have a URL to a malicious site and use a URL shortener to
disguise that fact in the hope that folks can be duped into using it.
If you use the shortener *yourself* to create a shortened link to a URL that
you trust, the only problem is if
1. The URL is reassigned. This depends on how the shortener works and when
their database will have to start purging used assignments.
2. The shortener system is hacked and the destination replaced.
3. The destination itself is hacked and the destination is infected with
malicious content. This is the same risk whether or not a shortener is
used.
If the shortener service is abandoned or goes down, the shortened URL can
become unusable. Likewise if the destination goes down, is abandoned, or it
reorganizes its pages so that the particular URL now fails.
The biggest limitation of a shortened URL is inability to know the true
destination without accessing the shortener site somehow and inability to
know the correct destination if the shortened URL is not working.
My advice: Publish the full link that was known to work at the time of
publication. A shortened URL could also be provided as a convenience for
users entering URLs from printed copy, but the full one is the authentic,
intended-to-be-persistent reference (along with other citation information
so that someone could track down any new location, if necessary).
- Dennis
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Subject: Re: using tinyurl or is.gd
James and Jeffrey and Andrea, thank you! I do appreciate the warnings.
Now a related question: is it possible to corrupt an already tied URL? I
am working toward primarily print publication: if I put a tinyurl or is.gd
link in print, for the reader to key in, can it somehow be corrupted? Even
if there is an electronic version of what I write, can a link given in that
format be corrupted? I have been under the impression that malware lurked
in URLs posted online. Is that incorrect?
ernie kurtz
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Re: using tinyurl or is.gd
Posted by Ernie Kurtz <ku...@umich.edu>.
James and Jeffrey and Andrea, thank you! I do appreciate the warnings.
Now a related question: is it possible to corrupt an already tied URL? I am working toward primarily print publication: if I put a tinyurl or is.gd link in print, for the reader to key in, can it somehow be corrupted? Even if there is an electronic version of what I write, can a link given in that format be corrupted? I have been under the impression that malware lurked in URLs posted online. Is that incorrect?
ernie kurtz
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Re: using tinyurl
Posted by Jeffrey Deutsch <jd...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:14 PM, James Knott <ja...@rogers.com> wrote:
> Ernie Kurtz wrote:
>>
>> Anyway, I prefer to use tinyurl
>
>
> A lot of people refuse to click on a tinyurl, as it often leads to malware.
> There was a recent issue with Yahoo accounts being highjacked after users
> clicked on a tinyurl.
Excellent point, especially these days:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2415706,00.asp
Note that when you see a link at is.gd, you can always preview it by
putting a - right at the end of the URL. Or if you want to pre-set
automatically seeing (or not seeing) a preview page with any is.gd
link, go to:
http://is.gd/previews.php
Meanwhile, is.gd comes down hard on abuse:
http://is.gd/spam.php
And accepts complaints (as well as thanks, questions, feedback, well
wishes and the like) at:
http://is.gd/contact.php
(For this among other reasons, is.gd is now my favorite URL shortener.
FWIW, its creators also have a sister shortening site, v.gd, which by
default always takes link visitors to preview pages. In any case, the
creators seem like good people to me.)
Cheers,
Jeff Deutsch
Speaker & Life Coach
A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
http://www.asplint.com
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Re: using tinyurl
Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
Ernie Kurtz wrote:
> Anyway, I prefer to use tinyurl
A lot of people refuse to click on a tinyurl, as it often leads to
malware. There was a recent issue with Yahoo accounts being highjacked
after users clicked on a tinyurl.
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Re: using tinyurl
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Ernie Kurtz wrote:
> I prefer to use tinyurl. Is there anyway to get OO 3.4.1 to
> retain the original font in tinyurl, even after clicking on it,
> please?
Edit - Paste Special - Unformatted text will likely solve it (whatever
URL shortener you use!). If you want to preserve the hyperlink, just
press space after pasting.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: using tinyurl
Posted by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com>.
At 11:12 23/02/2013 -0500, Ernie Kurtz wrote:
>In endnotes, when I put in a tinyurl link using my usual font,
>Garamond 12, the link shrinks to an 8 or 9 size. This does not
>happen using is.gd -- so I assume the cause may be the word "tiny"?
I think it pretty unlikely that the text element "tiny" is having any
effect. I don't see why the nature of the hyperlink's text should
make any difference, but it may be that you have created the links in
slightly different ways.
>Is there anyway to get OO 3.4.1 to retain the original font in
>tinyurl, even after clicking on it, please?
Endnotes are automatically given the Endnote paragraph style, which
appears to be 10 pt by default. Depending on how you create the
hyperlink, its text may be automatically given the Internet Link
character style. You could look at these styles - or whatever styles
that have been applied - to see if they are influencing the
text. You could then solve the problem by modifying the style or styles.
I trust this helps.
Brian Barker
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using tinyurl
Posted by Ernie Kurtz <ku...@umich.edu>.
In endnotes, when I put in a tinyurl link using my usual font, Garamond 12, the link shrinks to an 8 or 9 size. This does not happen using is.gd -- so I assume the cause may be the word "tiny"?
Anyway, I prefer to use tinyurl. Is there anyway to get OO 3.4.1 to retain the original font in tinyurl, even after clicking on it, please?
ernie kurtz
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Re: The big balagan...
Posted by John Hart <jh...@testra.com>.
On 2/21/2013 11:28 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 14:22 21/02/2013 -0700, John Hart wrote:
>> How did this happen?
>
> Someone sent a message to many of his correspondents as well as to the
> list.
>
>> PLEASE keep the list secure, ...
>
> Again, you appear to think the addresses you saw had something to do
> with list membership. Surely not?
That's good to know, thanks.
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Re: The big balagan...
Posted by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com>.
At 14:22 21/02/2013 -0700, John Hart wrote:
>How did this happen?
Someone sent a message to many of his correspondents as well as to the list.
>PLEASE keep the list secure, ...
Again, you appear to think the addresses you saw had something to do
with list membership. Surely not?
Brian Barker
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Re: The big balagan...
Posted by John Hart <jh...@testra.com>.
On 2/21/2013 12:44 PM, JB wrote:
> Because of the major foul-up of a couple of list members today by sending out the complete addresses of everyone in the 'To' field, it made me think to ask a question that might possibly help end or at least slow that kind of mistake down.
>
>
How did this happen? I received only the first part of the list in one
email and the last part in another. Hardly enough to keep a spam
generator happy for more than a few seconds!
PLEASE keep the list secure, I get more than enough spam already!
And what did the subject,
Today is International Mother Language Day
have to do with the AOO user forum?
jrh
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Re: The big balagan...
Posted by Felmon Davis <da...@union.edu>.
On Fri, 22 Feb 2013, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 00:28 22/02/2013 -0600, Jonly Bonly wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:09:55 +0000 Brian Barker wrote:
>>> At 13:44 21/02/2013 -0600, Jonly Bonly wrote:
>>>> Because of the major foul-up of a couple of list members today by sending
>>>> out the complete addresses of everyone in the 'To' field, ...
>>>
>>> "Everyone"? You seem to think that the visible addresses had something to
>>> do with the membership of this mailing list.
>>
>> Oh good grief. You know exactly what was meant, you're just acting
>> childish.
>
> That's a quite silly claim - and quite wrong, of course. What you said
> suggested that you thought the publicised addresses had something to do with
> the list.
I also 'misunderstood' the meaning. it is indeed very difficult to
read minds.
this was compounded in my case also by the question about setting
email clients to bcc; it suggested a poster who was naive about the
medium they are working in - email client vs mailing list or
something.
anyway, we got all of this straight now. time to move on, right?
I do note a lot of people seem unfamiliar with bcc; this kind of error
happens alot.
F.
> Another reply to your message said "PLEASE keep the list secure",
> implying its author had interpreted your message similarly. No doubt others
> did, too. (Advertising other addresses on the list is bad practice and uses
> the list inappropriately, but does not represent an insecurity of the list
> itself.)
>
>> I'd meant to ask that in the list of the mail client I use. Simply got
>> carried away and forgot that I was still in the AOo list.
>
> Perhaps it's not surprising that I (and others) were confused, then!
>
> Brian Barker
>
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Re: The big balagan...
Posted by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com>.
At 00:28 22/02/2013 -0600, Jonly Bonly wrote:
>On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:09:55 +0000 Brian Barker wrote:
>>At 13:44 21/02/2013 -0600, Jonly Bonly wrote:
>>>Because of the major foul-up of a couple of list members today by
>>>sending out the complete addresses of everyone in the 'To' field, ...
>>
>>"Everyone"? You seem to think that the visible addresses had
>>something to do with the membership of this mailing list.
>
> Oh good grief. You know exactly what was meant, you're just
> acting childish.
That's a quite silly claim - and quite wrong, of course. What you
said suggested that you thought the publicised addresses had
something to do with the list. Another reply to your message said
"PLEASE keep the list secure", implying its author had interpreted
your message similarly. No doubt others did, too. (Advertising
other addresses on the list is bad practice and uses the list
inappropriately, but does not represent an insecurity of the list itself.)
>I'd meant to ask that in the list of the mail client I use. Simply
>got carried away and forgot that I was still in the AOo list.
Perhaps it's not surprising that I (and others) were confused, then!
Brian Barker
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Re: The big balagan...
Posted by JB <yo...@lavabit.com>.
On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:09:55 +0000
Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> At 13:44 21/02/2013 -0600, Jonly Bonly wrote:
> >Because of the major foul-up of a couple of list members today by
> >sending out the complete addresses of everyone in the 'To' field, ...
>
> "Everyone"? You seem to think that the visible addresses had
> something to do with the membership of this mailing list.
Oh good grief. You know exactly what was meant, you're just acting childish.
>
> >... it made me think to ask a question that might possibly help end
> >or at least slow that kind of mistake down. Is there a way to make
> >it so that when the compose window opens it's automatically made to
> >'Bcc' instead of 'To', unless the 'List' button is clicked?
>
> In any case, anything like this would have to be arranged in your
> local mail client
I'd meant to ask that in the list of the mail client I use. Simply got carried
away and forgot that I was still in the AOo list.
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Re: The big balagan...
Posted by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com>.
At 13:44 21/02/2013 -0600, Jonly Bonly wrote:
>Because of the major foul-up of a couple of list members today by
>sending out the complete addresses of everyone in the 'To' field, ...
"Everyone"? You seem to think that the visible addresses had
something to do with the membership of this mailing list. But no:
there was no way that a subscriber could know addresses from the
list. Those had to be just someone's personal list of
correspondents. (But it was still a solecism, of course. His
friends won't be happy!)
>... it made me think to ask a question that might possibly help end
>or at least slow that kind of mistake down. Is there a way to make
>it so that when the compose window opens it's automatically made to
>'Bcc' instead of 'To', unless the 'List' button is clicked?
You mean so that 99% of the time that you composed a message you
would have to go through this hoop to get the address where it needed
to be? (And you'd often confuse recipients by getting it
wrong?) You'd be so used to making the change that you'd do it again
on the hundredth time (an error of habituation) - and you wouldn't
avoid the problem. What does your suggested "List" button do?
In any case, anything like this would have to be arranged in your
local mail client, whatever that is - so that's not a question: it's
a few hundred questions, since it will be different for each
client. In practice, wouldn't everyone reject a client that did this
and prefer something more user-friendly?
Brian Barker
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