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new bigtop website
Hello Bigtoppers,
During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project. I
based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on the
list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around Jekyll,
figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we get
things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the new
site
I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
add to:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
Ideas
Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should fill
in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing the
details.
I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can use
that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
RE: new bigtop website
Posted by na...@reactor8.com.
Added linked jira to website to track any logo efforts. Roman, left @ comment for you on it to drop any update there if you ping any contacts you have.
Here is website jira:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BIGTOP-1383
Will continue to put updates there and add more linked items as needed
-----Original Message-----
From: Konstantin Boudnik [mailto:cos@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 3:23 PM
To: user@bigtop.apache.org; dev@bigtop.apache.org
Subject: Re: new bigtop website
I guess we all are, but following Olaf's implicit stance on it: I won't give a rat-ass if we have logs or links or just words in this section. Sure, it won't look as pretty, but linking isn't against the law ;)
Cos
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 03:16PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> What if we ask nicely? ;-)
>
> I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a
> conversation. Should I?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ok, let me say it straight:
> >
> > Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for CDH4 based on bigtop.
> > As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at least heavily modified the build process since.
> >
> > Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does that "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users?
> >
> > Olaf
> >
> >> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
> >>
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigto
> >> p
> >>
> >> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So,
> >> yes - we know for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors'
> >> package dependencies shows the foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
> >>
> >> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing
> >> more than just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
> >>
> >> Cos
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
> >>> Hi Cos,
> >>>
> >>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
> >>>
> >>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
> >>>
> >>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of
> >>> bigtop. We do not know for sure. The downstream user itself
> >>> should agree to be named here. I can live with the section
> >>> "powered by" in the current website. That page has a very
> >>> differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically pimped.
> >>>
> >>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
> >>>
> >>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
> >>>
> >>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of
> >>> Apache Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
> >>>
> >>> Olaf
> >>>
> >>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
> >>>>
> >>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think
> >>>> using logos from someone's publicly available media kit for the
> >>>> purpose of referring to the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cos
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
> >>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise
> >>>>> communication about the project and what it provides to first
> >>>>> time visitors feel that will be the most important part of the
> >>>>> homepage. We went through similar conversation bit over a year
> >>>>> ago when working through the flyer design and the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
> >>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
> >>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it
> >>>>> as a base to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a
> >>>>> related/dependent jira for the main site one
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> >>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
> >>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Nate,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by"
> >>>>> section. Do we have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Olaf
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
> >>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last
> >>>>> year and borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the
> >>>>> past 12+ months at various events, as well as the workshop
> >>>>> site/content I setup for some past conference related events.
> >>>>> As such, the content is all in flux, including menu at top, this
> >>>>> is meant to get the ball rolling
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some
> >>>>>> feedback on
> >>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling
> >>>>> around Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and
> >>>>> collaboration efforts. As we get things finalized we can decide
> >>>>> how the group wants to manage/host the new site
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on
> >>>>>> content can
> >>>>> add to:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Websit
> >>>>> e+Notes+and+
> >>>>> Ideas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which
> >>>>>> should
> >>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks,
> >>>>> centralizing the details.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates
> >>>>>> and we can
> >>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest
> >>>>> of this week will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some
> >>>>> cross browser and mobile related layout issues (mobile friendly
> >>>>> on day 1 is the goal), as well as starting to flush out the
> >>>>> template/framework for getting started content
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
RE: new bigtop website
Posted by na...@reactor8.com.
Added linked jira to website to track any logo efforts. Roman, left @ comment for you on it to drop any update there if you ping any contacts you have.
Here is website jira:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BIGTOP-1383
Will continue to put updates there and add more linked items as needed
-----Original Message-----
From: Konstantin Boudnik [mailto:cos@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 3:23 PM
To: user@bigtop.apache.org; dev@bigtop.apache.org
Subject: Re: new bigtop website
I guess we all are, but following Olaf's implicit stance on it: I won't give a rat-ass if we have logs or links or just words in this section. Sure, it won't look as pretty, but linking isn't against the law ;)
Cos
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 03:16PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> What if we ask nicely? ;-)
>
> I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a
> conversation. Should I?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ok, let me say it straight:
> >
> > Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for CDH4 based on bigtop.
> > As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at least heavily modified the build process since.
> >
> > Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does that "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users?
> >
> > Olaf
> >
> >> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
> >>
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigto
> >> p
> >>
> >> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So,
> >> yes - we know for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors'
> >> package dependencies shows the foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
> >>
> >> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing
> >> more than just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
> >>
> >> Cos
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
> >>> Hi Cos,
> >>>
> >>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
> >>>
> >>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
> >>>
> >>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of
> >>> bigtop. We do not know for sure. The downstream user itself
> >>> should agree to be named here. I can live with the section
> >>> "powered by" in the current website. That page has a very
> >>> differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically pimped.
> >>>
> >>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
> >>>
> >>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
> >>>
> >>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of
> >>> Apache Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
> >>>
> >>> Olaf
> >>>
> >>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
> >>>>
> >>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think
> >>>> using logos from someone's publicly available media kit for the
> >>>> purpose of referring to the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cos
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
> >>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise
> >>>>> communication about the project and what it provides to first
> >>>>> time visitors feel that will be the most important part of the
> >>>>> homepage. We went through similar conversation bit over a year
> >>>>> ago when working through the flyer design and the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
> >>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
> >>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it
> >>>>> as a base to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a
> >>>>> related/dependent jira for the main site one
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> >>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
> >>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Nate,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by"
> >>>>> section. Do we have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Olaf
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
> >>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last
> >>>>> year and borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the
> >>>>> past 12+ months at various events, as well as the workshop
> >>>>> site/content I setup for some past conference related events.
> >>>>> As such, the content is all in flux, including menu at top, this
> >>>>> is meant to get the ball rolling
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some
> >>>>>> feedback on
> >>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling
> >>>>> around Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and
> >>>>> collaboration efforts. As we get things finalized we can decide
> >>>>> how the group wants to manage/host the new site
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on
> >>>>>> content can
> >>>>> add to:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Websit
> >>>>> e+Notes+and+
> >>>>> Ideas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which
> >>>>>> should
> >>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks,
> >>>>> centralizing the details.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates
> >>>>>> and we can
> >>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest
> >>>>> of this week will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some
> >>>>> cross browser and mobile related layout issues (mobile friendly
> >>>>> on day 1 is the goal), as well as starting to flush out the
> >>>>> template/framework for getting started content
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
I guess we all are, but following Olaf's implicit stance on it: I won't give a
rat-ass if we have logs or links or just words in this section. Sure, it
won't look as pretty, but linking isn't against the law ;)
Cos
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 03:16PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> What if we ask nicely? ;-)
>
> I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a
> conversation. Should I?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ok, let me say it straight:
> >
> > Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for CDH4 based on bigtop.
> > As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at least heavily modified the build process since.
> >
> > Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does that "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users?
> >
> > Olaf
> >
> >> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
> >>
> >> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes - we know
> >> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies shows the
> >> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
> >>
> >> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing more than
> >> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
> >>
> >> Cos
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
> >>> Hi Cos,
> >>>
> >>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
> >>>
> >>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
> >>>
> >>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We
> >>> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be named
> >>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website. That
> >>> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically
> >>> pimped.
> >>>
> >>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
> >>>
> >>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
> >>>
> >>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
> >>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
> >>>
> >>> Olaf
> >>>
> >>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
> >>>>
> >>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
> >>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
> >>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cos
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
> >>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
> >>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
> >>>>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
> >>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
> >>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
> >>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
> >>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
> >>>>> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
> >>>>> jira for the main site one
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> >>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
> >>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Nate,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
> >>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Olaf
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
> >>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
> >>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
> >>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
> >>>>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
> >>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
> >>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
> >>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
> >>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
> >>>>> new site
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
> >>>>> add to:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
> >>>>> Ideas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
> >>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
> >>>>> the details.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
> >>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
> >>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
> >>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
> >>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
Guys, I'm sorry to say this but at this point I suggest somebody else
tries to contact the relevant parties. I wish I could help more. I'm still
super excited by what Nate is doing, but right now is a somewhat
challenging time for me to help.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:31 PM, <na...@reactor8.com> wrote:
> Updated with the ibm power icon provided. We will probably want to use a
> larger or more production ready one when we publish, icon started pretty
> small
>
>
>
> *From:* MrAsanjar . [mailto:afsanjar@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2016 10:12 AM
> *To:* user@bigtop.apache.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: new bigtop website
>
>
>
> Looks good, but wrong icon for Power architecture, could we use:
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> of course we should do. My whole point is not to use logos without asking
> for permission. Do you think we can get quotes like like "Apache Bigtop is
> great, because ... " that will be top!
>
> Olaf
>
>
>
> > Am 19.05.2016 um 00:16 schrieb Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>:
> >
> > What if we ask nicely? ;-)
> >
> > I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a
> > conversation. Should I?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Ok, let me say it straight:
> >>
> >> Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for
> CDH4 based on bigtop.
> >> As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at
> least heavily modified the build process since.
> >>
> >> Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does
> that "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users?
> >>
> >> Olaf
> >>
> >>> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
> >>>
> >>> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
> >>>
> >>> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes -
> we know
> >>> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies
> shows the
> >>> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
> >>>
> >>> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing
> more than
> >>> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
> >>>
> >>> Cos
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
> >>>> Hi Cos,
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
> >>>>
> >>>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of
> bigtop. We
> >>>> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be
> named
> >>>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current
> website. That
> >>>> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page
> optically
> >>>> pimped.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
> >>>>
> >>>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
> >>>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
> >>>>
> >>>> Olaf
> >>>>
> >>>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think
> using logos
> >>>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of
> referring to
> >>>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a
> lawyer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cos
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
> >>>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise
> communication about
> >>>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that
> will be
> >>>>>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
> >>>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer
> design and
> >>>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's
> is
> >>>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with
> it". The
> >>>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as
> a base
> >>>>>> to build their distributions and custom component
> versions/packages...".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a
> related/dependent
> >>>>>> jira for the main site one
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> >>>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
> >>>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Nate,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by"
> section. Do we
> >>>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Olaf
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the
> project.
> >>>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year
> and
> >>>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+
> months at
> >>>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for
> some past
> >>>>>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux,
> including
> >>>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some
> feedback on
> >>>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling
> around
> >>>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration
> efforts. As we
> >>>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to
> manage/host the
> >>>>>> new site
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on
> content can
> >>>>>> add to:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
> >>>>>> Ideas
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which
> should
> >>>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks,
> centralizing
> >>>>>> the details.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and
> we can
> >>>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of
> this week
> >>>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser
> and mobile
> >>>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as
> well as
> >>>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started
> content
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
>
RE: new bigtop website
Posted by na...@reactor8.com.
Updated with the ibm power icon provided. We will probably want to use a larger or more production ready one when we publish, icon started pretty small
From: MrAsanjar . [mailto:afsanjar@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 10:12 AM
To: user@bigtop.apache.org
Subject: Re: new bigtop website
Looks good, but wrong icon for Power architecture, could we use:
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Olaf Flebbe <of@oflebbe.de <ma...@oflebbe.de> > wrote:
Hi,
of course we should do. My whole point is not to use logos without asking for permission. Do you think we can get quotes like like "Apache Bigtop is great, because ... " that will be top!
Olaf
> Am 19.05.2016 um 00:16 schrieb Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org <ma...@shaposhnik.org> >:
>
> What if we ask nicely? ;-)
>
> I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a
> conversation. Should I?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <of@oflebbe.de <ma...@oflebbe.de> > wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Ok, let me say it straight:
>>
>> Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for CDH4 based on bigtop.
>> As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at least heavily modified the build process since.
>>
>> Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does that "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users?
>>
>> Olaf
>>
>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> >:
>>>
>>> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
>>>
>>> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes - we know
>>> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies shows the
>>> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
>>>
>>> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing more than
>>> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
>>>
>>> Cos
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
>>>> Hi Cos,
>>>>
>>>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
>>>>
>>>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
>>>>
>>>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We
>>>> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be named
>>>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website. That
>>>> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically
>>>> pimped.
>>>>
>>>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
>>>>
>>>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
>>>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
>>>>
>>>> Olaf
>>>>
>>>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> >:
>>>>>
>>>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
>>>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
>>>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cos
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com <ma...@reactor8.com> wrote:
>>>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
>>>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
>>>>>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
>>>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
>>>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
>>>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
>>>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
>>>>>> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
>>>>>> jira for the main site one
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de <ma...@oflebbe.de> ]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
>>>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org <ma...@bigtop.apache.org>
>>>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org <ma...@bigtop.apache.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Nate,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
>>>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Olaf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com <ma...@reactor8.com> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
>>>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
>>>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
>>>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
>>>>>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
>>>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
>>>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
>>>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
>>>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
>>>>>> new site
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
>>>>>> add to:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
>>>>>> Ideas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
>>>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
>>>>>> the details.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
>>>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
>>>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
>>>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
>>>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by "MrAsanjar ." <af...@gmail.com>.
Looks good, but wrong icon for Power architecture, could we use:
[image: Inline image 1]
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> of course we should do. My whole point is not to use logos without asking
> for permission. Do you think we can get quotes like like "Apache Bigtop is
> great, because ... " that will be top!
>
> Olaf
>
>
> > Am 19.05.2016 um 00:16 schrieb Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>:
> >
> > What if we ask nicely? ;-)
> >
> > I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a
> > conversation. Should I?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Ok, let me say it straight:
> >>
> >> Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for
> CDH4 based on bigtop.
> >> As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at
> least heavily modified the build process since.
> >>
> >> Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does
> that "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users?
> >>
> >> Olaf
> >>
> >>> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
> >>>
> >>> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
> >>>
> >>> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes -
> we know
> >>> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies
> shows the
> >>> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
> >>>
> >>> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing
> more than
> >>> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
> >>>
> >>> Cos
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
> >>>> Hi Cos,
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
> >>>>
> >>>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of
> bigtop. We
> >>>> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be
> named
> >>>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current
> website. That
> >>>> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page
> optically
> >>>> pimped.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
> >>>>
> >>>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
> >>>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
> >>>>
> >>>> Olaf
> >>>>
> >>>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think
> using logos
> >>>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of
> referring to
> >>>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a
> lawyer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cos
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
> >>>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise
> communication about
> >>>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that
> will be
> >>>>>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
> >>>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer
> design and
> >>>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's
> is
> >>>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with
> it". The
> >>>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as
> a base
> >>>>>> to build their distributions and custom component
> versions/packages...".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a
> related/dependent
> >>>>>> jira for the main site one
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> >>>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
> >>>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Nate,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by"
> section. Do we
> >>>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Olaf
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the
> project.
> >>>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year
> and
> >>>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+
> months at
> >>>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for
> some past
> >>>>>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux,
> including
> >>>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some
> feedback on
> >>>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling
> around
> >>>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration
> efforts. As we
> >>>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to
> manage/host the
> >>>>>> new site
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on
> content can
> >>>>>> add to:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
> >>>>>> Ideas
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which
> should
> >>>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks,
> centralizing
> >>>>>> the details.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and
> we can
> >>>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of
> this week
> >>>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser
> and mobile
> >>>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as
> well as
> >>>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started
> content
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de>.
Hi,
of course we should do. My whole point is not to use logos without asking for permission. Do you think we can get quotes like like "Apache Bigtop is great, because ... " that will be top!
Olaf
> Am 19.05.2016 um 00:16 schrieb Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>:
>
> What if we ask nicely? ;-)
>
> I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a
> conversation. Should I?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Ok, let me say it straight:
>>
>> Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for CDH4 based on bigtop.
>> As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at least heavily modified the build process since.
>>
>> Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does that "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users?
>>
>> Olaf
>>
>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
>>>
>>> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
>>>
>>> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes - we know
>>> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies shows the
>>> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
>>>
>>> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing more than
>>> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
>>>
>>> Cos
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
>>>> Hi Cos,
>>>>
>>>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
>>>>
>>>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
>>>>
>>>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We
>>>> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be named
>>>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website. That
>>>> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically
>>>> pimped.
>>>>
>>>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
>>>>
>>>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
>>>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
>>>>
>>>> Olaf
>>>>
>>>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
>>>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
>>>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cos
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
>>>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
>>>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
>>>>>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
>>>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
>>>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
>>>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
>>>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
>>>>>> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
>>>>>> jira for the main site one
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
>>>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
>>>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Nate,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
>>>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Olaf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
>>>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
>>>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
>>>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
>>>>>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
>>>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
>>>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
>>>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
>>>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
>>>>>> new site
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
>>>>>> add to:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
>>>>>> Ideas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
>>>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
>>>>>> the details.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
>>>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
>>>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
>>>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
>>>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de>.
Hi,
of course we should do. My whole point is not to use logos without asking for permission. Do you think we can get quotes like like "Apache Bigtop is great, because ... " that will be top!
Olaf
> Am 19.05.2016 um 00:16 schrieb Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>:
>
> What if we ask nicely? ;-)
>
> I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a
> conversation. Should I?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Ok, let me say it straight:
>>
>> Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for CDH4 based on bigtop.
>> As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at least heavily modified the build process since.
>>
>> Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does that "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users?
>>
>> Olaf
>>
>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
>>>
>>> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
>>>
>>> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes - we know
>>> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies shows the
>>> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
>>>
>>> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing more than
>>> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
>>>
>>> Cos
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
>>>> Hi Cos,
>>>>
>>>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
>>>>
>>>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
>>>>
>>>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We
>>>> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be named
>>>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website. That
>>>> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically
>>>> pimped.
>>>>
>>>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
>>>>
>>>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
>>>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
>>>>
>>>> Olaf
>>>>
>>>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
>>>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
>>>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cos
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
>>>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
>>>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
>>>>>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
>>>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
>>>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
>>>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
>>>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
>>>>>> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
>>>>>> jira for the main site one
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
>>>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
>>>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Nate,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
>>>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Olaf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
>>>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
>>>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
>>>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
>>>>>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
>>>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
>>>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
>>>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
>>>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
>>>>>> new site
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
>>>>>> add to:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
>>>>>> Ideas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
>>>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
>>>>>> the details.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
>>>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
>>>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
>>>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
>>>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
I guess we all are, but following Olaf's implicit stance on it: I won't give a
rat-ass if we have logs or links or just words in this section. Sure, it
won't look as pretty, but linking isn't against the law ;)
Cos
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 03:16PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> What if we ask nicely? ;-)
>
> I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a
> conversation. Should I?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ok, let me say it straight:
> >
> > Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for CDH4 based on bigtop.
> > As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at least heavily modified the build process since.
> >
> > Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does that "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users?
> >
> > Olaf
> >
> >> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
> >>
> >> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes - we know
> >> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies shows the
> >> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
> >>
> >> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing more than
> >> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
> >>
> >> Cos
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
> >>> Hi Cos,
> >>>
> >>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
> >>>
> >>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
> >>>
> >>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We
> >>> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be named
> >>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website. That
> >>> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically
> >>> pimped.
> >>>
> >>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
> >>>
> >>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
> >>>
> >>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
> >>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
> >>>
> >>> Olaf
> >>>
> >>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
> >>>>
> >>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
> >>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
> >>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cos
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
> >>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
> >>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
> >>>>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
> >>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
> >>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
> >>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
> >>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
> >>>>> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
> >>>>> jira for the main site one
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> >>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
> >>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Nate,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
> >>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Olaf
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
> >>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
> >>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
> >>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
> >>>>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
> >>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
> >>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
> >>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
> >>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
> >>>>> new site
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
> >>>>> add to:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
> >>>>> Ideas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
> >>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
> >>>>> the details.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
> >>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
> >>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
> >>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
> >>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
What if we ask nicely? ;-)
I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a
conversation. Should I?
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Ok, let me say it straight:
>
> Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for CDH4 based on bigtop.
> As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at least heavily modified the build process since.
>
> Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does that "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users?
>
> Olaf
>
>> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
>>
>> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes - we know
>> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies shows the
>> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
>>
>> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing more than
>> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
>>
>> Cos
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
>>> Hi Cos,
>>>
>>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
>>>
>>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
>>>
>>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We
>>> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be named
>>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website. That
>>> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically
>>> pimped.
>>>
>>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
>>>
>>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
>>>
>>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
>>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
>>>
>>> Olaf
>>>
>>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
>>>>
>>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
>>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
>>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
>>>>
>>>> Cos
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
>>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
>>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
>>>>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
>>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
>>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
>>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
>>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
>>>>> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
>>>>>
>>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
>>>>> jira for the main site one
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
>>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
>>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Nate,
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
>>>>>
>>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
>>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Olaf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
>>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
>>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
>>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
>>>>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
>>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
>>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
>>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
>>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
>>>>> new site
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
>>>>> add to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
>>>>> Ideas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
>>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
>>>>> the details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
>>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
>>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
>>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
>>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
What if we ask nicely? ;-)
I know enough folks at all these companies to be able to start a
conversation. Should I?
Thanks,
Roman.
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Ok, let me say it straight:
>
> Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for CDH4 based on bigtop.
> As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at least heavily modified the build process since.
>
> Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does that "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users?
>
> Olaf
>
>> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
>>
>> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes - we know
>> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies shows the
>> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
>>
>> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing more than
>> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
>>
>> Cos
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
>>> Hi Cos,
>>>
>>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
>>>
>>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
>>>
>>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We
>>> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be named
>>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website. That
>>> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically
>>> pimped.
>>>
>>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
>>>
>>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
>>>
>>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
>>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
>>>
>>> Olaf
>>>
>>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
>>>>
>>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
>>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
>>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
>>>>
>>>> Cos
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
>>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
>>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
>>>>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
>>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
>>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
>>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
>>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
>>>>> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
>>>>>
>>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
>>>>> jira for the main site one
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
>>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
>>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Nate,
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
>>>>>
>>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
>>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Olaf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
>>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
>>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
>>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
>>>>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
>>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
>>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
>>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
>>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
>>>>> new site
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
>>>>> add to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
>>>>> Ideas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
>>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
>>>>> the details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
>>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
>>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
>>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
>>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de>.
Hi,
Ok, let me say it straight:
Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for CDH4 based on bigtop.
As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at least heavily modified the build process since.
Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does that "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users?
Olaf
> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
>
> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
>
> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes - we know
> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies shows the
> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
>
> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing more than
> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
>
> Cos
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
>> Hi Cos,
>>
>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
>>
>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
>>
>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We
>> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be named
>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website. That
>> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically
>> pimped.
>>
>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
>>
>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
>>
>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
>>
>> Olaf
>>
>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
>>>
>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
>>>
>>> Cos
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
>>>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
>>>> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
>>>>
>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
>>>> jira for the main site one
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
>>>>
>>>> Hi Nate,
>>>>
>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
>>>>
>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
>>>>
>>>> Olaf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
>>>>>
>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
>>>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
>>>>>
>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
>>>>>
>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
>>>> new site
>>>>>
>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
>>>> add to:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
>>>> Ideas
>>>>>
>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
>>>> the details.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de>.
Hi,
Ok, let me say it straight:
Hortonworks is not mentioned there and cloudera is only claimed for CDH4 based on bigtop.
As far as I stumbled over the artifact naming of current CDH5, they at least heavily modified the build process since.
Both are using a package called bigtop-utils for instance, but does that "qualify" them to be mentioned as downstream users?
Olaf
> Am 17.05.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
>
> If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
>
> which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes - we know
> for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies shows the
> foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
>
> But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing more than
> just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
>
> Cos
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
>> Hi Cos,
>>
>> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
>>
>> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
>>
>> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We
>> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be named
>> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website. That
>> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically
>> pimped.
>>
>> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
>>
>> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
>>
>> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
>> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
>>
>> Olaf
>>
>>> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
>>>
>>> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
>>> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
>>> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
>>>
>>> Cos
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
>>>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
>>>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
>>>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
>>>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
>>>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
>>>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
>>>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
>>>> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
>>>>
>>>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
>>>> jira for the main site one
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
>>>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
>>>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
>>>>
>>>> Hi Nate,
>>>>
>>>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
>>>>
>>>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
>>>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
>>>>
>>>> Olaf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
>>>>>
>>>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
>>>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
>>>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
>>>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
>>>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
>>>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
>>>>>
>>>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
>>>>>
>>>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
>>>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
>>>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
>>>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
>>>> new site
>>>>>
>>>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
>>>> add to:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
>>>> Ideas
>>>>>
>>>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
>>>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
>>>> the details.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
>>>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
>>>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
>>>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
>>>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes - we know
for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies shows the
foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing more than
just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
Cos
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
> Hi Cos,
>
> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
>
> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
>
> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We
> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be named
> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website. That
> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically
> pimped.
>
> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
>
> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
>
> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
>
> Olaf
>
> > Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
> >
> > Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
> > from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
> > the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
> >
> > Cos
> >
> > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
> >> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
> >> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
> >> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
> >> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
> >> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
> >> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
> >> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
> >> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
> >>
> >> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
> >> jira for the main site one
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> >> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
> >> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
> >>
> >> Hi Nate,
> >>
> >> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
> >>
> >> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
> >> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
> >>
> >> Olaf
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Bigtoppers,
> >>>
> >>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
> >> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
> >> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
> >> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
> >> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
> >> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
> >>>
> >>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
> >>>
> >>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
> >>>
> >>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
> >> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
> >> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
> >> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
> >> new site
> >>>
> >>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
> >> add to:
> >>>
> >>>
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
> >> Ideas
> >>>
> >>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
> >> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
> >> the details.
> >>>
> >>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
> >> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
> >> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
> >> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
> >> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
> >>
> >>
>
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
If I am not mistaken, the new version of the page is based of
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Powered+By+Bigtop
which was populated by the 'powered-by' projects themselves. So, yes - we know
for sure. Besides, a simple look into vendors' package dependencies shows the
foot-print of Bigtop all over the place.
But I am fine with your proposed wording, although we are providing more than
just build. Runtime as well ie bigtop-utils, etc.
Cos
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 07:17PM, Olaf Flebbe wrote:
> Hi Cos,
>
> Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
>
> The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
>
> Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We
> do not know for sure. The downstream user itself should agree to be named
> here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website. That
> page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically
> pimped.
>
> I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
>
> Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
>
> To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache
> Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
>
> Olaf
>
> > Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
> >
> > Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
> > from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
> > the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
> >
> > Cos
> >
> > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
> >> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
> >> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
> >> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
> >> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
> >> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
> >> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
> >> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
> >> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
> >>
> >> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
> >> jira for the main site one
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> >> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
> >> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
> >>
> >> Hi Nate,
> >>
> >> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
> >>
> >> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
> >> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
> >>
> >> Olaf
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Bigtoppers,
> >>>
> >>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
> >> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
> >> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
> >> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
> >> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
> >> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
> >>>
> >>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
> >>>
> >>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
> >>>
> >>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
> >> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
> >> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
> >> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
> >> new site
> >>>
> >>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
> >> add to:
> >>>
> >>>
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
> >> Ideas
> >>>
> >>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
> >> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
> >> the details.
> >>>
> >>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
> >> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
> >> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
> >> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
> >> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
> >>
> >>
>
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de>.
Hi Cos,
Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We do not know for sure.
The downstream user itself should agree to be named here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website.
That page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically pimped.
I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
Olaf
> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
>
> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
>
> Cos
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
>> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
>>
>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
>> jira for the main site one
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
>>
>> Hi Nate,
>>
>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
>>
>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
>>
>> Olaf
>>
>>
>>
>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
>>>
>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
>>>
>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
>>>
>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
>>>
>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
>>>
>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
>> new site
>>>
>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
>> add to:
>>>
>>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
>> Ideas
>>>
>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
>> the details.
>>>
>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
>>
>>
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de>.
Hi Cos,
Of course anyone need permission to use trademark logos.
The point is not logos itself. What is the message we want to share ?
Bigtop should not claim that any entity is a downstream user of bigtop. We do not know for sure.
The downstream user itself should agree to be named here. I can live with the section "powered by" in the current website.
That page has a very differentiated view. Maybe we can reuse this page optically pimped.
I am very ok if Nate ask entities, if they approve to be named .
Maybe the Mission statement can be made clear:
To provide a generic build system for a vanilla distribution of Apache Hadoop ecosystem projects, integrating other components early.
Olaf
> Am 17.05.2016 um 18:58 schrieb Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>:
>
> Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
> from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
> the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
>
> Cos
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
>> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
>> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
>> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
>> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
>> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
>> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
>> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
>> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
>>
>> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
>> jira for the main site one
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
>> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
>> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
>>
>> Hi Nate,
>>
>> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
>>
>> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
>> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
>>
>> Olaf
>>
>>
>>
>>> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
>>>
>>> Hello Bigtoppers,
>>>
>>> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
>> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
>> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
>> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
>> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
>> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
>>>
>>> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
>>>
>>> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
>>>
>>> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
>> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
>> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
>> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
>> new site
>>>
>>> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
>> add to:
>>>
>>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
>> Ideas
>>>
>>> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
>> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
>> the details.
>>>
>>> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
>> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
>> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
>> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
>> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
>>
>>
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
Cos
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
>
> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
> jira for the main site one
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
>
> Hi Nate,
>
> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
>
> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
>
> Olaf
>
>
>
> > Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
> >
> > Hello Bigtoppers,
> >
> > During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
> >
> > Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
> >
> > http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
> >
> > It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
> new site
> >
> > I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
> add to:
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
> Ideas
> >
> > Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
> the details.
> >
> > I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
>
>
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
Take it with as many graines of salt you want, but I don't think using logos
from someone's publicly available media kit for the purpose of referring to
the owner of it, requires any special permissions. But I'm not a lawyer.
Cos
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 02:02PM, nate@reactor8.com wrote:
> No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
> the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
> the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
> conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
> the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
> usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
> resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
> to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
>
> I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
> jira for the main site one
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> To: user@bigtop.apache.org
> Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
> Subject: Re: new bigtop website
>
> Hi Nate,
>
> I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
>
> But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
> have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
>
> Olaf
>
>
>
> > Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
> >
> > Hello Bigtoppers,
> >
> > During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
> I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
> borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
> various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
> conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
> menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
> >
> > Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
> >
> > http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
> >
> > It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
> the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
> Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
> get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
> new site
> >
> > I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
> add to:
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
> Ideas
> >
> > Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
> fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
> the details.
> >
> > I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
> use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
> will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
> related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
> starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
>
>
RE: new bigtop website
Posted by na...@reactor8.com.
No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
jira for the main site one
-----Original Message-----
From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
To: user@bigtop.apache.org
Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
Subject: Re: new bigtop website
Hi Nate,
I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
Olaf
> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
>
> Hello Bigtoppers,
>
> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
>
> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
>
> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
>
> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
new site
>
> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
add to:
>
>
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
Ideas
>
> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
the details.
>
> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
RE: new bigtop website
Posted by na...@reactor8.com.
No official logo approval. For having clear and concise communication about
the project and what it provides to first time visitors feel that will be
the most important part of the homepage. We went through similar
conversation bit over a year ago when working through the flyer design and
the number one thing in most conversations, and presentation q&a's is
usually along lines of "who is using it" and "what do you do with it". The
resounding way to communicate that has been to say "x,y,z use it as a base
to build their distributions and custom component versions/packages...".
I can take on task of getting approvals, and can add a related/dependent
jira for the main site one
-----Original Message-----
From: Olaf Flebbe [mailto:of@oflebbe.de]
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:50 PM
To: user@bigtop.apache.org
Cc: dev@bigtop.apache.org
Subject: Re: new bigtop website
Hi Nate,
I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we
have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
Olaf
> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
>
> Hello Bigtoppers,
>
> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project.
I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and
borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at
various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past
conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including
menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
>
> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
>
> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
>
> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on
the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around
Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we
get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the
new site
>
> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can
add to:
>
>
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+
Ideas
>
> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should
fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing
the details.
>
> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can
use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week
will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile
related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as
starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de>.
Hi Nate,
I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
Olaf
> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
>
> Hello Bigtoppers,
>
> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project. I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
>
> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
>
> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
>
> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the new site
>
> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can add to:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+Ideas
>
> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing the details.
>
> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content
Re: new bigtop website
Posted by Olaf Flebbe <of...@oflebbe.de>.
Hi Nate,
I like the design very much! The big tents are very good!
But I would refrain from using the logos in the "powered by" section. Do we have have permissions to use these trademarks? AFAIK we do not.
Olaf
> Am 16.05.2016 um 22:12 schrieb nate@reactor8.com:
>
> Hello Bigtoppers,
>
> During some downtime I rekindled the effort for new site for the project. I based the initial design on ideas flushed out mid/late last year and borrowing from the bigtop flyer we have been using the past 12+ months at various events, as well as the workshop site/content I setup for some past conference related events. As such, the content is all in flux, including menu at top, this is meant to get the ball rolling
>
> Initial rev of design and homepage mock can be found here:
>
> http://kaiyzen.github.io/bigtop/
>
> It is currently setup as a github pages project. Given some feedback on the list ways back with asf supporting it, and the great tooling around Jekyll, figured it was easiest for my dev and collaboration efforts. As we get things finalized we can decide how the group wants to manage/host the new site
>
> I am keeping notes that anyone who is interested in helping on content can add to:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/BIGTOP/Bigtop+Website+Notes+and+Ideas
>
> Most important I feel will be the Getting Started content which should fill in the average user(s) to carry out a lot of common tasks, centralizing the details.
>
> I will update the old jira item with relevant content updates and we can use that for tracking the finer details and delivery. The rest of this week will be some minor tweaks to design and fixing some cross browser and mobile related layout issues (mobile friendly on day 1 is the goal), as well as starting to flush out the template/framework for getting started content