Insert Person Language And Nationality

[Stanimir Todorov <st...@iguanait.com>]

Hi all,
 
I am a novice in Ofbiz. This is the best project :)

I have a question about Person. I need to put Person Language and Person
Nationality, but I don't find the way during creating a Person.
May be, this is good idea to add this functionality in Ofbiz entities
(Person) like fields Language and Nationality.

I am not sure if this is the right way?
I need of suggestion and I will be glad to help about this.

Thanks!

Re: Insert Person Language And Nationality

[Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com>]

Hi David,

Oh, yes! The PartyClassification is the best place for it.

PartyClassification already has comprehensive suite of CRUD services/functions done. In PartyMgr.

There are even some examples of its use. Like in Promos -> Rules. Also in the Marketing module.

Thanks!

 > If they aren't an OFBiz user then the language preference for application
 > interaction wouldn't matter

Still, it'll be useful and "standard practice" (in conformance with OFBiz data structures) to use 
PartyClassification.

For the "language preference for user interaction with OFBiz app", I think that can still use 
PartyClassification, unless a single Party uses multiple languages based on which UserLogin is 
used for "interaction with OFBiz application".

PartyClassication will also allow us to attach multiple citizenships to a single Party. Also 
possible are multiple language preferences, language abilities, and such, for a variety of 
functions (eg marketing).

Jonathon

David E Jones wrote:
> 
> 
> Adrian Crum wrote:
>> David E Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> Nationality/race/minority/whatever would be in the 
>>> PartyClassification and related entities.
>>>
>>> Language we'd need more info about to model. If you want to model all 
>>> languages spoken I think we would need a new entity def, though 
>>> actually PartyClassification could be used for that too. If you are 
>>> looking for a language preference for application interaction, the 
>>> UserLogin entity is the way to go.
>>
>> Except when the party is not an OFBiz user.
> 
> Hence the question about intended use. If they aren't an OFBiz user then 
> the language preference for application interaction wouldn't matter, so 
> the other or something like it would be what they want.
> 
> Either way, until the original person specifies more of what they're 
> looking for... who knows!
> 
> -David
> 
> 

Re: Insert Person Language And Nationality

[stodorov <st...@iguanait.com>]

Hi peoples, sorry for my late answer
Yes, partyClassificationGroup is a good opportunity. This is a easy way to
relate partyId with classificationGroups Nationality. 
My point is that nationality is samothing like "this person is under
jurisdiction on this government in this country". This is important when
this person is visiting in other country. Example: I am Bulgarian I have a
problem, I will take this problem to Bulgarian embassy. This is the point. I
can take protection of delegation on Bulgarian government in visited
country. This model is enough for my needs and even more. Thanks for this
good advice and I will use this way :)

For language, I think to use partyAttribute may be. For me is important to
know what kind of language speak my guest because I have a need to
communicate with him.
But the better decision may be is creating entity for relationship between
Person and StandartLanguage. StandartLanguage exists in the data model. Only
is nesassary to extend the existing data model with entity PersonLanguage
for the relationship.

Thank you!

Adrian Crum wrote:
> 
> David E Jones wrote:
>> Adrian Crum wrote:
>> 
>>> David E Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nationality/race/minority/whatever would be in the 
>>>> PartyClassification and related entities.
>>>>
>>>> Language we'd need more info about to model. If you want to model all 
>>>> languages spoken I think we would need a new entity def, though 
>>>> actually PartyClassification could be used for that too. If you are 
>>>> looking for a language preference for application interaction, the 
>>>> UserLogin entity is the way to go.
>>>
>>>
>>> Except when the party is not an OFBiz user.
>> 
>> 
>> Hence the question about intended use. If they aren't an OFBiz user then 
>> the language preference for application interaction wouldn't matter, so 
>> the other or something like it would be what they want.
>> 
>> Either way, until the original person specifies more of what they're 
>> looking for... who knows!
> 
> Yeah, I realized you already said that after I clicked Send. :p
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Insert Person Language And Nationality

[Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>]

David E Jones wrote:
> Adrian Crum wrote:
> 
>> David E Jones wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Nationality/race/minority/whatever would be in the 
>>> PartyClassification and related entities.
>>>
>>> Language we'd need more info about to model. If you want to model all 
>>> languages spoken I think we would need a new entity def, though 
>>> actually PartyClassification could be used for that too. If you are 
>>> looking for a language preference for application interaction, the 
>>> UserLogin entity is the way to go.
>>
>>
>> Except when the party is not an OFBiz user.
> 
> 
> Hence the question about intended use. If they aren't an OFBiz user then 
> the language preference for application interaction wouldn't matter, so 
> the other or something like it would be what they want.
> 
> Either way, until the original person specifies more of what they're 
> looking for... who knows!

Yeah, I realized you already said that after I clicked Send. :p

Re: Insert Person Language And Nationality

[David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>]

Adrian Crum wrote:
> David E Jones wrote:
>>
>> Nationality/race/minority/whatever would be in the PartyClassification 
>> and related entities.
>>
>> Language we'd need more info about to model. If you want to model all 
>> languages spoken I think we would need a new entity def, though 
>> actually PartyClassification could be used for that too. If you are 
>> looking for a language preference for application interaction, the 
>> UserLogin entity is the way to go.
> 
> Except when the party is not an OFBiz user.

Hence the question about intended use. If they aren't an OFBiz user then the language preference for application interaction wouldn't matter, so the other or something like it would be what they want.

Either way, until the original person specifies more of what they're looking for... who knows!

-David

Re: Insert Person Language And Nationality

[Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>]

David E Jones wrote:
> 
> Nationality/race/minority/whatever would be in the PartyClassification 
> and related entities.
> 
> Language we'd need more info about to model. If you want to model all 
> languages spoken I think we would need a new entity def, though actually 
> PartyClassification could be used for that too. If you are looking for a 
> language preference for application interaction, the UserLogin entity is 
> the way to go.

Except when the party is not an OFBiz user.

Re: Insert Person Language And Nationality

[David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>]

Nationality/race/minority/whatever would be in the PartyClassification and related entities.

Language we'd need more info about to model. If you want to model all languages spoken I think we would need a new entity def, though actually PartyClassification could be used for that too. If you are looking for a language preference for application interaction, the UserLogin entity is the way to go.

-David


Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Yes AFAIK for now there is nothing regarding Language and Nationality in the data model, hence the code. This might be interesting
> as a contribution.
> 
> Jacques
> 
> De : "Jonathon -- Improov" <jo...@improov.com>
>> For entity Person, you can extend it (using <extend-entity>) to include those 2 fields.
>>
>> I've not seen any OFBiz codes dealing with Person/Party language or nationality. You may have to
>> roll your own here.
>>
>> Jonathon
>>
>> Stanimir Todorov wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am a novice in Ofbiz. This is the best project :)
>>>
>>> I have a question about Person. I need to put Person Language and Person
>>> Nationality, but I don't find the way during creating a Person.
>>> May be, this is good idea to add this functionality in Ofbiz entities
>>> (Person) like fields Language and Nationality.
>>>
>>> I am not sure if this is the right way?
>>> I need of suggestion and I will be glad to help about this.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
> 

Re: Insert Person Language And Nationality

[Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>]

Yes AFAIK for now there is nothing regarding Language and Nationality in the data model, hence the code. This might be interesting
as a contribution.

Jacques

De : "Jonathon -- Improov" <jo...@improov.com>
> For entity Person, you can extend it (using <extend-entity>) to include those 2 fields.
>
> I've not seen any OFBiz codes dealing with Person/Party language or nationality. You may have to
> roll your own here.
>
> Jonathon
>
> Stanimir Todorov wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am a novice in Ofbiz. This is the best project :)
> >
> > I have a question about Person. I need to put Person Language and Person
> > Nationality, but I don't find the way during creating a Person.
> > May be, this is good idea to add this functionality in Ofbiz entities
> > (Person) like fields Language and Nationality.
> >
> > I am not sure if this is the right way?
> > I need of suggestion and I will be glad to help about this.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >

Re: Insert Person Language And Nationality

[Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com>]

For entity Person, you can extend it (using <extend-entity>) to include those 2 fields.

I've not seen any OFBiz codes dealing with Person/Party language or nationality. You may have to 
roll your own here.

Jonathon

Stanimir Todorov wrote:
> Hi all,
>  
> I am a novice in Ofbiz. This is the best project :)
> 
> I have a question about Person. I need to put Person Language and Person
> Nationality, but I don't find the way during creating a Person.
> May be, this is good idea to add this functionality in Ofbiz entities
> (Person) like fields Language and Nationality.
> 
> I am not sure if this is the right way?
> I need of suggestion and I will be glad to help about this.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 

Re: Insert Person Language And Nationality

[Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com>]

Hmm. Then I think... citizenship might be better modeled with an entity like PartyCitizenship or 
PersonCitizenship, where to primary key would be [partyId, citizenship]. Something like that.

It never occurred to me that a Person can have more than 1 citizenship! Thanks. :)

Jonathon

stodorov wrote:
> yes, Jonathon. 
> 
> I think this is the right way, to create <extend-entity> to include
> Nationality and Language.
> I mean to say, Nationality like child's place of birth or bloodline. This is
> personally for all life and can not be changed.
> I not mean citizenship. A citizenship can be changed or one person can have
> two or more citizenships. In this case concactmech with purpose is better
> idea.
> But in different country, citizenship and nationality can be different means
> or they can be the same.
> I think to use <extend-entity> and to include this fields.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> jonwimp wrote:
>> Contact mechs are used for contact mechanisms. Doesn't direct tie/relate
>> to a Person.
>>
>> While it could be possible to attach "language" to a contact mech, it'll
>> be weird for a Person to 
>> have say Mobile Phone A on which only English can be spoken and Mobile
>> Phone B on which only 
>> Spanish can be used. This is still valid, though, for a PartyGroup that
>> has various contact mechs 
>> in different countries/locales speaking different languages.
>>
>> Language and Nationality are best tied to the Person himself/herself, not
>> to the Person's contact 
>> mechs.
>>
>> Jonathon
>>
>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>> somebody can correct me if i am off base.
>>> I think you you can use the contactmech type and purpose for this.
>>>
>>> Stanimir Todorov sent the following on 9/10/2007 3:25 AM:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>  
>>>> I am a novice in Ofbiz. This is the best project :)
>>>>
>>>> I have a question about Person. I need to put Person Language and Person
>>>> Nationality, but I don't find the way during creating a Person.
>>>> May be, this is good idea to add this functionality in Ofbiz entities
>>>> (Person) like fields Language and Nationality.
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure if this is the right way?
>>>> I need of suggestion and I will be glad to help about this.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 

Re: Insert Person Language And Nationality

[stodorov <st...@iguanait.com>]

yes, Jonathon. 

I think this is the right way, to create <extend-entity> to include
Nationality and Language.
I mean to say, Nationality like child's place of birth or bloodline. This is
personally for all life and can not be changed.
I not mean citizenship. A citizenship can be changed or one person can have
two or more citizenships. In this case concactmech with purpose is better
idea.
But in different country, citizenship and nationality can be different means
or they can be the same.
I think to use <extend-entity> and to include this fields.

Thanks!

jonwimp wrote:
> 
> Contact mechs are used for contact mechanisms. Doesn't direct tie/relate
> to a Person.
> 
> While it could be possible to attach "language" to a contact mech, it'll
> be weird for a Person to 
> have say Mobile Phone A on which only English can be spoken and Mobile
> Phone B on which only 
> Spanish can be used. This is still valid, though, for a PartyGroup that
> has various contact mechs 
> in different countries/locales speaking different languages.
> 
> Language and Nationality are best tied to the Person himself/herself, not
> to the Person's contact 
> mechs.
> 
> Jonathon
> 
> BJ Freeman wrote:
>> somebody can correct me if i am off base.
>> I think you you can use the contactmech type and purpose for this.
>> 
>> Stanimir Todorov sent the following on 9/10/2007 3:25 AM:
>>> Hi all,
>>>  
>>> I am a novice in Ofbiz. This is the best project :)
>>>
>>> I have a question about Person. I need to put Person Language and Person
>>> Nationality, but I don't find the way during creating a Person.
>>> May be, this is good idea to add this functionality in Ofbiz entities
>>> (Person) like fields Language and Nationality.
>>>
>>> I am not sure if this is the right way?
>>> I need of suggestion and I will be glad to help about this.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Insert Person Language And Nationality

[Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com>]

Contact mechs are used for contact mechanisms. Doesn't direct tie/relate to a Person.

While it could be possible to attach "language" to a contact mech, it'll be weird for a Person to 
have say Mobile Phone A on which only English can be spoken and Mobile Phone B on which only 
Spanish can be used. This is still valid, though, for a PartyGroup that has various contact mechs 
in different countries/locales speaking different languages.

Language and Nationality are best tied to the Person himself/herself, not to the Person's contact 
mechs.

Jonathon

BJ Freeman wrote:
> somebody can correct me if i am off base.
> I think you you can use the contactmech type and purpose for this.
> 
> Stanimir Todorov sent the following on 9/10/2007 3:25 AM:
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> I am a novice in Ofbiz. This is the best project :)
>>
>> I have a question about Person. I need to put Person Language and Person
>> Nationality, but I don't find the way during creating a Person.
>> May be, this is good idea to add this functionality in Ofbiz entities
>> (Person) like fields Language and Nationality.
>>
>> I am not sure if this is the right way?
>> I need of suggestion and I will be glad to help about this.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 

Re: Insert Person Language And Nationality

[BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>]

somebody can correct me if i am off base.
I think you you can use the contactmech type and purpose for this.

Stanimir Todorov sent the following on 9/10/2007 3:25 AM:
> Hi all,
>  
> I am a novice in Ofbiz. This is the best project :)
> 
> I have a question about Person. I need to put Person Language and Person
> Nationality, but I don't find the way during creating a Person.
> May be, this is good idea to add this functionality in Ofbiz entities
> (Person) like fields Language and Nationality.
> 
> I am not sure if this is the right way?
> I need of suggestion and I will be glad to help about this.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
>