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MNG-4483
3.0-beta-1 being a beta release, it's getting close to GA. I was
wondering can MNG-4483 be addressed? I don't think Maven can keep the
.m2 user directory exclusively -- it could be a good fallback for
compatibility -- but it should be looking for .m3 or .mvn.
Paul
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Re : Re : MNG-4483
Posted by Julien HENRY <he...@yahoo.fr>.
1) check if .mvn exists
2) if .mvn doesn't exist then check if .m2 exists
3) if .m2 doesn't exist then create .mvn and use it
++
Julien
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> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:00 PM, nicolas de loof
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> +1 for .mvn and backward compatibility with .m2 if not
> found
Wouldn't it _create_ .mvn if it's not found? Otherwise what's
> going
to happen the first time you use m3 on a new machine?
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Re: Re : MNG-4483
Posted by Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:00 PM, nicolas de loof
<ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 for .mvn and backward compatibility with .m2 if not found
Wouldn't it _create_ .mvn if it's not found? Otherwise what's going
to happen the first time you use m3 on a new machine?
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Re: Re : MNG-4483
Posted by Arnaud Héritier <ah...@gmail.com>.
+1
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On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:00 PM, nicolas de loof
<ni...@gmail.com>wrote:
> +1 for .mvn and backward compatibility with .m2 if not found
>
> 2010/4/22 Julien HENRY <he...@yahoo.fr>
>
> > +1
> >
> >
> >
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> > > De : Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>
> > > À : Maven Developers List <de...@maven.apache.org>
> > > Envoyé le : Jeu 22 avril 2010, 17 h 14 min 15 s
> > > Objet : MNG-4483
> > >
> > > 3.0-beta-1 being a beta release, it's getting close to GA. I was
> > wondering
> > > can MNG-4483 be addressed? I don't think Maven can keep the
> > .m2 user
> > > directory exclusively -- it could be a good fallback for
> > compatibility -- but
> > > it should be looking for .m3 or
> > > .mvn.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
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Re: Re : MNG-4483
Posted by nicolas de loof <ni...@gmail.com>.
+1 for .mvn and backward compatibility with .m2 if not found
2010/4/22 Julien HENRY <he...@yahoo.fr>
> +1
>
>
>
> ----- Message d'origine ----
> > De : Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>
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> > Objet : MNG-4483
> >
> > 3.0-beta-1 being a beta release, it's getting close to GA. I was
> wondering
> > can MNG-4483 be addressed? I don't think Maven can keep the
> .m2 user
> > directory exclusively -- it could be a good fallback for
> compatibility -- but
> > it should be looking for .m3 or
> > .mvn.
>
> Paul
>
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Re : MNG-4483
Posted by Julien HENRY <he...@yahoo.fr>.
+1
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> Objet : MNG-4483
>
> 3.0-beta-1 being a beta release, it's getting close to GA. I was
wondering
> can MNG-4483 be addressed? I don't think Maven can keep the
.m2 user
> directory exclusively -- it could be a good fallback for
compatibility -- but
> it should be looking for .m3 or
> .mvn.
Paul
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Re: MNG-4483
Posted by Gustavo Hexsel <gh...@gmail.com>.
FAIL! I was a bit too late :)
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu> wrote:
> > What ramifications could exist if .m2 is the fallback? It would be an
> > easy upgrade path. My point is, it's odd Maven 3 has an "m2" user
> > directory -- nothing technically incorrect; just a vestigial of
> > progress.
>
> Because now every tool that cares about this folder needs to implement
> that same logic. If they don't, then they might be parsing/updating
> the wrong file with non-obvious impacts to the user. I just wonder if
> it's really worth the hassle? Having parallel but different
> settings.xml seems to be the only benefit and I wonder if that alone
> wouldn't cause more support problems.
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Re: MNG-4483
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@sonatype.com>.
On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Paul Benedict wrote:
> Could this be slated for beta-2? And if it is decided to be not the
> right time, bump it to 3.1?
>
I think we should focus on fixing issues for 3.0, but that doesn't mean we can't start thinking and making prototypes for other features.
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Benjamin Bentmann
> <be...@udo.edu> wrote:
>> Brett Porter wrote:
>>
>>> However, it is important to be able to change the settings.xml file in
>>> future, and the best way to do that and still support Maven 2 is by having a
>>> second location. Is Maven 3 already forwards compatible with reading the
>>> settings file? If not yet, I wouldn't consider this change until it is.
>>> Maybe this is a 3.1 thing.
>>
>> As per MNG-4390, unknown elements cause warnings but don't fail the build,
>> thereby easing side-by-side use of different Maven versions.
>>
>>
>> Benjamin
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Re: MNG-4483
Posted by Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>.
Could this be slated for beta-2? And if it is decided to be not the
right time, bump it to 3.1?
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Benjamin Bentmann
<be...@udo.edu> wrote:
> Brett Porter wrote:
>
>> However, it is important to be able to change the settings.xml file in
>> future, and the best way to do that and still support Maven 2 is by having a
>> second location. Is Maven 3 already forwards compatible with reading the
>> settings file? If not yet, I wouldn't consider this change until it is.
>> Maybe this is a 3.1 thing.
>
> As per MNG-4390, unknown elements cause warnings but don't fail the build,
> thereby easing side-by-side use of different Maven versions.
>
>
> Benjamin
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Re: MNG-4483
Posted by Benjamin Bentmann <be...@udo.edu>.
Brett Porter wrote:
> However, it is important to be able to change the settings.xml file in future, and the best way to do that and still support Maven 2 is by having a second location. Is Maven 3 already forwards compatible with reading the settings file? If not yet, I wouldn't consider this change until it is. Maybe this is a 3.1 thing.
As per MNG-4390, unknown elements cause warnings but don't fail the
build, thereby easing side-by-side use of different Maven versions.
Benjamin
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Re: MNG-4483
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
On 23/04/2010, at 5:08 AM, Brian Fox wrote:
> The neat-nick in me says no, but I'm also not going to rename
> repo1.maven.org/maven2 to /maven3 either. I'm just playing devil's
> advocate here to point out that there are additional considerations
> than simply changing the maven core logic.
Same opinion if it is just for aesthetics. Would be nice, but not really important enough.
However, it is important to be able to change the settings.xml file in future, and the best way to do that and still support Maven 2 is by having a second location. Is Maven 3 already forwards compatible with reading the settings file? If not yet, I wouldn't consider this change until it is. Maybe this is a 3.1 thing.
I think if it is done with a good reason, the tools will catch up soon enough - good tools would already support relocating the settings.xml file to match maven's arguments and the repository to match the entry in settings - at that point they'd only be adjusting to a new settings.xml format. The workaround for users is there if one of their tools doesn't.
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Re: MNG-4483
Posted by Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu>.
The neat-nick in me says no, but I'm also not going to rename
repo1.maven.org/maven2 to /maven3 either. I'm just playing devil's
advocate here to point out that there are additional considerations
than simply changing the maven core logic.
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org> wrote:
> Brian,
>
> Then the current situation should be viewed as acceptable? The ".m2"
> directory, although an artifact of Maven 2, continues to be the home
> directory for Maven 3.
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu> wrote:
>>> What ramifications could exist if .m2 is the fallback? It would be an
>>> easy upgrade path. My point is, it's odd Maven 3 has an "m2" user
>>> directory -- nothing technically incorrect; just a vestigial of
>>> progress.
>>
>> Because now every tool that cares about this folder needs to implement
>> that same logic. If they don't, then they might be parsing/updating
>> the wrong file with non-obvious impacts to the user. I just wonder if
>> it's really worth the hassle? Having parallel but different
>> settings.xml seems to be the only benefit and I wonder if that alone
>> wouldn't cause more support problems.
>>
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Re: MNG-4483
Posted by Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>.
Brian,
Then the current situation should be viewed as acceptable? The ".m2"
directory, although an artifact of Maven 2, continues to be the home
directory for Maven 3.
Paul
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu> wrote:
>> What ramifications could exist if .m2 is the fallback? It would be an
>> easy upgrade path. My point is, it's odd Maven 3 has an "m2" user
>> directory -- nothing technically incorrect; just a vestigial of
>> progress.
>
> Because now every tool that cares about this folder needs to implement
> that same logic. If they don't, then they might be parsing/updating
> the wrong file with non-obvious impacts to the user. I just wonder if
> it's really worth the hassle? Having parallel but different
> settings.xml seems to be the only benefit and I wonder if that alone
> wouldn't cause more support problems.
>
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Re: MNG-4483
Posted by Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu>.
> What ramifications could exist if .m2 is the fallback? It would be an
> easy upgrade path. My point is, it's odd Maven 3 has an "m2" user
> directory -- nothing technically incorrect; just a vestigial of
> progress.
Because now every tool that cares about this folder needs to implement
that same logic. If they don't, then they might be parsing/updating
the wrong file with non-obvious impacts to the user. I just wonder if
it's really worth the hassle? Having parallel but different
settings.xml seems to be the only benefit and I wonder if that alone
wouldn't cause more support problems.
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Re: MNG-4483
Posted by Gustavo Hexsel <gh...@gmail.com>.
Just to play devil's advocate, if you run maven then sync your tool, maven
will use .mvn, the IDE/tool will only check .m2.
[]s Gus
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org> wrote:
> Brian,
>
> What ramifications could exist if .m2 is the fallback? It would be an
> easy upgrade path. My point is, it's odd Maven 3 has an "m2" user
> directory -- nothing technically incorrect; just a vestigial of
> progress.
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu> wrote:
> > This sounds easy on the maven side, but what are the ramifications for
> > all the tools that would have to be updated. Is it worth it?
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> 3.0-beta-1 being a beta release, it's getting close to GA. I was
> >> wondering can MNG-4483 be addressed? I don't think Maven can keep the
> >> .m2 user directory exclusively -- it could be a good fallback for
> >> compatibility -- but it should be looking for .m3 or .mvn.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
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Re: MNG-4483
Posted by Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>.
Brian,
What ramifications could exist if .m2 is the fallback? It would be an
easy upgrade path. My point is, it's odd Maven 3 has an "m2" user
directory -- nothing technically incorrect; just a vestigial of
progress.
Paul
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu> wrote:
> This sounds easy on the maven side, but what are the ramifications for
> all the tools that would have to be updated. Is it worth it?
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org> wrote:
>> 3.0-beta-1 being a beta release, it's getting close to GA. I was
>> wondering can MNG-4483 be addressed? I don't think Maven can keep the
>> .m2 user directory exclusively -- it could be a good fallback for
>> compatibility -- but it should be looking for .m3 or .mvn.
>>
>> Paul
>>
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Re: MNG-4483
Posted by Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu>.
This sounds easy on the maven side, but what are the ramifications for
all the tools that would have to be updated. Is it worth it?
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org> wrote:
> 3.0-beta-1 being a beta release, it's getting close to GA. I was
> wondering can MNG-4483 be addressed? I don't think Maven can keep the
> .m2 user directory exclusively -- it could be a good fallback for
> compatibility -- but it should be looking for .m3 or .mvn.
>
> Paul
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