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Posted to user@river.apache.org by Patrick Wright <pd...@gmail.com> on 2009/10/10 12:54:24 UTC
Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Hi
I've come across references to at least two sample programs which were
(apparently) shipped with JavaSpaces TK 1.0--a ray tracer example and
a "book buyer" example. I don't see any sign of these in the Jini 2.1
download--and haven't been able to recover the original artifacts from
the old JavaSpaces release--anyone know where these samples ended up?
Thanks
Patrick
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Jeff Ramsdale <je...@gmail.com>.
classdepandjar is still useful and is used by Rio. It's also Apache
2.0 Licensed: https://classdepandjar.dev.java.net/
It'd be nice, though, if it used the new Classdep without the
dependency on the Sun JDK tools.jar. But needs a River release for
that. :-)
-jeff
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Patrick Wright <pd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> For instance, there is a "classdepandjar" Ant task in the starterkit
>> examples ZIP I downloaded. It was developed a long time ago.
>> I'm very interested in that to include and use it in the River build.
>
> Wasn't that tool discussed on the River mailing list some months ago?
>
>> I believe all these things used to be hosted on the jini.org projects area,
>> so I assume all of it would have been released under the SCSL too? What
>> about the things published on java.net?
>
> I believe on java.net a project must always declare what license they
> publish under. AFAIK, the bulk of the Jini projects were ASL, but not
> all. Should be on the project home page in each case.
>
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Jonathan Costers <jo...@googlemail.com>.
Op donderdag 15-10-2009 om 16:43 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Patrick
Wright:
> > For instance, there is a "classdepandjar" Ant task in the starterkit
> > examples ZIP I downloaded. It was developed a long time ago.
> > I'm very interested in that to include and use it in the River build.
>
> Wasn't that tool discussed on the River mailing list some months
Could be indeed .. I have not been following every message posted.
Thanks for pointing that out ...
>
> > I believe all these things used to be hosted on the jini.org projects area,
> > so I assume all of it would have been released under the SCSL too? What
> > about the things published on java.net?
>
> I believe on java.net a project must always declare what license they
> publish under. AFAIK, the bulk of the Jini projects were ASL, but not
> all. Should be on the project home page in each case.
OK, thank you.
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Patrick Wright <pd...@gmail.com>.
> For instance, there is a "classdepandjar" Ant task in the starterkit
> examples ZIP I downloaded. It was developed a long time ago.
> I'm very interested in that to include and use it in the River build.
Wasn't that tool discussed on the River mailing list some months ago?
> I believe all these things used to be hosted on the jini.org projects area,
> so I assume all of it would have been released under the SCSL too? What
> about the things published on java.net?
I believe on java.net a project must always declare what license they
publish under. AFAIK, the bulk of the Jini projects were ASL, but not
all. Should be on the project home page in each case.
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Jonathan Costers <jo...@googlemail.com>.
BTW - there is more than just the Ray Trace example (although that one is
really interesting).
For instance, there is a "classdepandjar" Ant task in the starterkit
examples ZIP I downloaded. It was developed a long time ago.
I'm very interested in that to include and use it in the River build.
There was also something called BuildTool which I remember was a very useful
tool back in the days .. Can't find any reference to that anymore tho. Not
sure whether it would still be relevant ...
I believe all these things used to be hosted on the jini.org projects area,
so I assume all of it would have been released under the SCSL too? What
about the things published on java.net?
- Jonathan
2009/10/15 Jonathan Costers <jo...@googlemail.com>
> OK, I'll create a patch over the weekend.
> Thanks
> Jonathan
>
> 2009/10/15 Jim Waldo <Ji...@sun.com>
>
> Uh, crap....
>>
>> I'll see if I can find anyone who can make a decision about this. It will
>> probably take a couple of days (at least), given that most of Sun is worried
>> about other things at this time. I'm pretty sure that this won't be a
>> problem, so I would suggest proceeding on that assumption and I'll get back
>> to the list as soon as I can find something out...
>>
>> Jim Waldo
>>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2009, at 6:32 AM, Patrick Wright wrote:
>>
>> Not to cause trouble, but the copies of the starter-kit examples that
>>> I've found are under the Sun Community Source License. I haven't found
>>> any which are ASL. This is too bad, as they are fairly straightforward
>>> and it would be good to have example code shipped with River. Was this
>>> code ever licensed under the ASL? If not, can we get someone at Sun to
>>> look into this?
>>>
>>> Or is it not an issue?
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Jonathan Costers <jo...@googlemail.com>.
OK, I'll create a patch over the weekend.
Thanks
Jonathan
2009/10/15 Jim Waldo <Ji...@sun.com>
> Uh, crap....
>
> I'll see if I can find anyone who can make a decision about this. It will
> probably take a couple of days (at least), given that most of Sun is worried
> about other things at this time. I'm pretty sure that this won't be a
> problem, so I would suggest proceeding on that assumption and I'll get back
> to the list as soon as I can find something out...
>
> Jim Waldo
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2009, at 6:32 AM, Patrick Wright wrote:
>
> Not to cause trouble, but the copies of the starter-kit examples that
>> I've found are under the Sun Community Source License. I haven't found
>> any which are ASL. This is too bad, as they are fairly straightforward
>> and it would be good to have example code shipped with River. Was this
>> code ever licensed under the ASL? If not, can we get someone at Sun to
>> look into this?
>>
>> Or is it not an issue?
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>
>
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Jim Waldo <Ji...@Sun.COM>.
Uh, crap....
I'll see if I can find anyone who can make a decision about this. It
will probably take a couple of days (at least), given that most of Sun
is worried about other things at this time. I'm pretty sure that this
won't be a problem, so I would suggest proceeding on that assumption
and I'll get back to the list as soon as I can find something out...
Jim Waldo
On Oct 15, 2009, at 6:32 AM, Patrick Wright wrote:
> Not to cause trouble, but the copies of the starter-kit examples that
> I've found are under the Sun Community Source License. I haven't found
> any which are ASL. This is too bad, as they are fairly straightforward
> and it would be good to have example code shipped with River. Was this
> code ever licensed under the ASL? If not, can we get someone at Sun to
> look into this?
>
> Or is it not an issue?
>
> Patrick
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Jim Waldo <Ji...@Sun.COM>.
I agree on the need for double/triple checking. I'll get to work on
this...
Jim
On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:06 AM, Patrick Wright wrote:
> Hi Jim
>
> What I see, In the Bodega project, the sample projects (e.g. Ray
> Trace) are in the src/archive tree. All of those files (checked with
> grep) appear to carry the SCSL. The example _configuration_ files
> under src/example are under the Apache License.
>
> This may have been a mistake of the project owner, not sure...I can't
> imagine that Sun intended to keep these pretty simple example files
> under the SCSL when everything else was ASL.
>
> Not trying to stir the mixture, just making sure there is an orderly
> process to avoid problems in the future...
>
>
> Thanks
> Patrick
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Patrick Wright <pd...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jim
What I see, In the Bodega project, the sample projects (e.g. Ray
Trace) are in the src/archive tree. All of those files (checked with
grep) appear to carry the SCSL. The example _configuration_ files
under src/example are under the Apache License.
This may have been a mistake of the project owner, not sure...I can't
imagine that Sun intended to keep these pretty simple example files
under the SCSL when everything else was ASL.
Not trying to stir the mixture, just making sure there is an orderly
process to avoid problems in the future...
Thanks
Patrick
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Jim Waldo <Ji...@Sun.COM>.
Hi Patrick--
I just took a look at these-- and they are all under the Apache
license right now (if you look at the bottom of the page, this is
explicitly called out). So I don't think that anything needs to be
done (other than a copy and a checkin) to include them into River. If
you find anything that is under the old license, I'll assemble the
code and get it put out under Apache...
Jim
On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Patrick Wright wrote:
> Hi Jim
>
> Thanks for taking the trouble to work through this.
>
> One easy starting point: The Bodega project on Java.net
> (https://bodega.dev.java.net/) includes the starter-kit examples in
> the download and source control. It's not clear from the start page
> who the project owner is/was, though BT (Brian?) Murphy's
> configuration samples are explicitly called out and included. It would
> be nice I think to have at least the Starter Kit in River, if not
> Brian's configuration samples as well.
>
> If someone knows who the owner of the Bodega project is/was, and what
> the origins of the bits in the project were, that would be helpful.
>
>
> Patrick
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Patrick Wright <pd...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jim
Thanks for taking the trouble to work through this.
One easy starting point: The Bodega project on Java.net
(https://bodega.dev.java.net/) includes the starter-kit examples in
the download and source control. It's not clear from the start page
who the project owner is/was, though BT (Brian?) Murphy's
configuration samples are explicitly called out and included. It would
be nice I think to have at least the Starter Kit in River, if not
Brian's configuration samples as well.
If someone knows who the owner of the Bodega project is/was, and what
the origins of the bits in the project were, that would be helpful.
Patrick
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Jim Waldo <Ji...@Sun.COM>.
Ok, I think I know how to proceed...
I'd like to request that people send me a list of all the things they
can find that didn't get put into the Rive codebase but should--
examples, utilities, and the like. If you can send the code, that
would be very helpful. If not, I'll try to track it down.
I'll then put it through the Sun Open Source process. Given the
circumstances (it will all be addenda to code that has gone through
the process before) it won't take long-- probably only a couple of
days. However, I'd like to get this started in the next week or so, to
insure that it doesn't get caught in any transition black hole...
Jim Waldo
On Oct 15, 2009, at 6:32 AM, Patrick Wright wrote:
> Not to cause trouble, but the copies of the starter-kit examples that
> I've found are under the Sun Community Source License. I haven't found
> any which are ASL. This is too bad, as they are fairly straightforward
> and it would be good to have example code shipped with River. Was this
> code ever licensed under the ASL? If not, can we get someone at Sun to
> look into this?
>
> Or is it not an issue?
>
> Patrick
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Patrick Wright <pd...@gmail.com>.
Not to cause trouble, but the copies of the starter-kit examples that
I've found are under the Sun Community Source License. I haven't found
any which are ASL. This is too bad, as they are fairly straightforward
and it would be good to have example code shipped with River. Was this
code ever licensed under the ASL? If not, can we get someone at Sun to
look into this?
Or is it not an issue?
Patrick
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Jonathan Costers <jo...@googlemail.com>.
I have the old Ray Trace example running on the latest River build.
Would it make sense / be possible to add this example to River?
I'll try to pull together a patch shortly if anybody is interested.
- Jonathan
Op zaterdag 10-10-2009 om 15:44 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Patrick
Wright:
> I haven't found them yet, but after some more digging, not sure they'd
> be of much use. The older JS examples seem to rely on Jini 1.0-era
> lookup mechanisms and classes which no longer exist, AFAICT. Am
> currently cleaning up a local copy of the code from the JS Principles
> book to work with Jini 2.1.
>
> Might be a useful TO-DO for a later River release to have some simple
> working JavaSpaces examples, tho.
>
>
> Patrick
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Patrick Wright <pd...@gmail.com>.
I haven't found them yet, but after some more digging, not sure they'd
be of much use. The older JS examples seem to rely on Jini 1.0-era
lookup mechanisms and classes which no longer exist, AFAICT. Am
currently cleaning up a local copy of the code from the JS Principles
book to work with Jini 2.1.
Might be a useful TO-DO for a later River release to have some simple
working JavaSpaces examples, tho.
Patrick
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Jonathan Costers <jo...@googlemail.com>.
I remember these too.. No clue where they went though.
Op zaterdag 10-10-2009 om 12:54 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Patrick
Wright:
> Hi
>
> I've come across references to at least two sample programs which were
> (apparently) shipped with JavaSpaces TK 1.0--a ray tracer example and
> a "book buyer" example. I don't see any sign of these in the Jini 2.1
> download--and haven't been able to recover the original artifacts from
> the old JavaSpaces release--anyone know where these samples ended up?
>
>
> Thanks
> Patrick
Re: Where do I find the old JavaSpaces example apps?
Posted by Jonathan Costers <jo...@googlemail.com>.
Found a ZIP file containing the orginal examples you mention:
http://www.kiv.zcu.cz/~ledvina/vyuka/DS/ds2005-cv/uloha_10/starterkit-examples.zip
Would be nice to get these into River, if at all possible.
Best
JOnathan
Op zaterdag 10-10-2009 om 12:54 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Patrick
Wright:
> Hi
>
> I've come across references to at least two sample programs which were
> (apparently) shipped with JavaSpaces TK 1.0--a ray tracer example and
> a "book buyer" example. I don't see any sign of these in the Jini 2.1
> download--and haven't been able to recover the original artifacts from
> the old JavaSpaces release--anyone know where these samples ended up?
>
>
> Thanks
> Patrick