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First draft of slides for ApacheCon
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR4k_E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
incubator in Portland.
If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
it somewhere otherwise accessible.
Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hi Benson,
if you need a keynote slide looking like the image here:
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Process_Description.html
pls let me know. I gladly send it to you.
Cheers
Christian
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR4k_E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
> incubator in Portland.
>
> If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
> it somewhere otherwise accessible.
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Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
For gathering wide area comments, gdocs rule.
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR4k_E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
> incubator in Portland.
>
> If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
> it somewhere otherwise accessible.
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Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
Sigh. No bad joke goes unpunished. That's an intentional mistake, to
play off of the word 'capricious'.
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:39 AM, <do...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote on 02/16/2013 01:54:52 PM:
>
>> From: Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
>> To: "dev@community.apache.org" <de...@community.apache.org>,
>> "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>,
>> Date: 02/16/2013 01:55 PM
>> Subject: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-
>> P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR4k_E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
>> incubator in Portland.
>
> I'm very poor with French so I looked up your phrase on chart 5 since the
> word 'goat' sort of jumped out as wrong.
> I believe you meant to say: À chacun son goût correct? Or 'everyone to
> his/her taste' Some folks may not like goat, others lamb, others tofu. :)
> Just sayin'
>>
>> If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
>> it somewhere otherwise accessible.
>>
Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
Sigh. No bad joke goes unpunished. That's an intentional mistake, to
play off of the word 'capricious'.
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:39 AM, <do...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote on 02/16/2013 01:54:52 PM:
>
>> From: Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
>> To: "dev@community.apache.org" <de...@community.apache.org>,
>> "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>,
>> Date: 02/16/2013 01:55 PM
>> Subject: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-
>> P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR4k_E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
>> incubator in Portland.
>
> I'm very poor with French so I looked up your phrase on chart 5 since the
> word 'goat' sort of jumped out as wrong.
> I believe you meant to say: À chacun son goût correct? Or 'everyone to
> his/her taste' Some folks may not like goat, others lamb, others tofu. :)
> Just sayin'
>>
>> If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
>> it somewhere otherwise accessible.
>>
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Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by do...@us.ibm.com.
Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote on 02/16/2013 01:54:52 PM:
> From: Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
> To: "dev@community.apache.org" <de...@community.apache.org>,
> "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>,
> Date: 02/16/2013 01:55 PM
> Subject: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
>
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-
> P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR4k_E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
> incubator in Portland.
I'm very poor with French so I looked up your phrase on chart 5 since the
word 'goat' sort of jumped out as wrong.
I believe you meant to say: À chacun son goût correct? Or 'everyone to
his/her taste' Some folks may not like goat, others lamb, others tofu. :)
Just sayin'
>
> If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
> it somewhere otherwise accessible.
>
Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
the wrong accent is definitely a typo. thanks.
On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:47 AM, "Hervé BOUTEMY" <he...@free.fr> wrote:
> Le dimanche 17 février 2013 06:55:21 Benson Margulies a écrit :
>> On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>
> wrote:
>>> slide 5: french typo
>>> "chacun à son goût" (I suppose...)
>>
>> Actually, that's an intentional bad joke. Note the word 'capricious'
>> in the previous line.
> ok, my english wasn't subtle enough :)
> notice "á" vs "à": if "goat" vs "goût" is intentional, I suppose "á" vs "à"
> isn't
> yes, for a french guy like me, "á" is a typo, or a word for bizarre people
> having strange accents (I don't know from which country exactly, but for sure
> not french-speaking), where "à" is perfectly normal
>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>>
>>> all over the slides: there are trigrams used (BDfL, PMC, IPMC, PPMC, CCLA,
>>> SGA, CTR, RTC, TLP, AL): should add plain-text explanations first time
>>> each one is used, at least in comments
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Hervé
>>>
>>> Le samedi 16 février 2013 13:54:52 Benson Margulies a écrit :
>>>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--m
>>>> R4k _E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
>>>> incubator in Portland.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
>>>> it somewhere otherwise accessible.
Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>.
Le dimanche 17 février 2013 06:55:21 Benson Margulies a écrit :
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>
wrote:
> > slide 5: french typo
> > "chacun à son goût" (I suppose...)
>
> Actually, that's an intentional bad joke. Note the word 'capricious'
> in the previous line.
ok, my english wasn't subtle enough :)
notice "á" vs "à": if "goat" vs "goût" is intentional, I suppose "á" vs "à"
isn't
yes, for a french guy like me, "á" is a typo, or a word for bizarre people
having strange accents (I don't know from which country exactly, but for sure
not french-speaking), where "à" is perfectly normal
Regards,
Hervé
>
> > all over the slides: there are trigrams used (BDfL, PMC, IPMC, PPMC, CCLA,
> > SGA, CTR, RTC, TLP, AL): should add plain-text explanations first time
> > each one is used, at least in comments
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Hervé
> >
> > Le samedi 16 février 2013 13:54:52 Benson Margulies a écrit :
> >> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--m
> >> R4k _E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
> >>
> >> I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
> >> incubator in Portland.
> >>
> >> If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
> >> it somewhere otherwise accessible.
Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr> wrote:
> slide 5: french typo
> "chacun à son goût" (I suppose...)
Actually, that's an intentional bad joke. Note the word 'capricious'
in the previous line.
>
> all over the slides: there are trigrams used (BDfL, PMC, IPMC, PPMC, CCLA,
> SGA, CTR, RTC, TLP, AL): should add plain-text explanations first time each one
> is used, at least in comments
>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>
> Le samedi 16 février 2013 13:54:52 Benson Margulies a écrit :
>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR4k
>> _E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
>> incubator in Portland.
>>
>> If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
>> it somewhere otherwise accessible.
Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>.
slide 5: french typo
"chacun à son goût" (I suppose...)
all over the slides: there are trigrams used (BDfL, PMC, IPMC, PPMC, CCLA,
SGA, CTR, RTC, TLP, AL): should add plain-text explanations first time each one
is used, at least in comments
Regards,
Hervé
Le samedi 16 février 2013 13:54:52 Benson Margulies a écrit :
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR4k
> _E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
> incubator in Portland.
>
> If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
> it somewhere otherwise accessible.
Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
Ross, thanks. All of these are useful. The first one I'll just take
your suggestions as is, for the others I need to think a bit about how
to capture your nuance.
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Ross Gardler
<rg...@opendirective.com> wrote:
> Great slides. A few comments for you to take on board or ignore at your
> pleasure (they are opinion not fact so you may not agree)...
>
> Slide 5: personally I avoid 'viral' and still k to 'reciprocal' no need to
> further alienate those who have a preference for reciprocal licences (I.e
> use passive rather than aggressive language). By the same token I'd say
> "not only about" as opposed to "not about". Personally I prefer things to
> be free, but I'm pragmatic and recognise that sometimes freedom will need
> to be compromised. Our licence is ideal for this, it provides choice and
> uses economics to drive freedom.
right.
>
> Slide 9: I guess it depends on how you deliver this slide whether I agree
> or not. The foundation will provide any "exotic" infrastructure that can be
> justified. I remember telling a podling they couldn't have Git, for
> example. I immediately went to infra and with the support of Jukka we got
> permission for that podling to be the first one to adopt Git. Perhaps just
> add the word "unjustified", it's. Less final.
Right. I'm trying to convey 'don't show up and expect Infra to roll
over and deliver all kinds of new stuff just because you ask for it.'
It's not so much a question of 'justification' as process and economy
of scale. I'm sure I'll some up with something.
>
> Slide 19: To graduate a project must demonstrate the ability to grow, not
> necessarily to have grown. Therefore I think this slide is too absolute in
> its "grow or retire" message.
Got it.
>
> This looks great, the above points are all minor and you should feel free
> to ignore or adapt as you see fit.
>
> Ross
>
> Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
> On 16 Feb 2013 18:55, "Benson Margulies" <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR4k_E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
>> incubator in Portland.
>>
>> If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
>> it somewhere otherwise accessible.
>>
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Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
Great slides. A few comments for you to take on board or ignore at your
pleasure (they are opinion not fact so you may not agree)...
Slide 5: personally I avoid 'viral' and still k to 'reciprocal' no need to
further alienate those who have a preference for reciprocal licences (I.e
use passive rather than aggressive language). By the same token I'd say
"not only about" as opposed to "not about". Personally I prefer things to
be free, but I'm pragmatic and recognise that sometimes freedom will need
to be compromised. Our licence is ideal for this, it provides choice and
uses economics to drive freedom.
Slide 9: I guess it depends on how you deliver this slide whether I agree
or not. The foundation will provide any "exotic" infrastructure that can be
justified. I remember telling a podling they couldn't have Git, for
example. I immediately went to infra and with the support of Jukka we got
permission for that podling to be the first one to adopt Git. Perhaps just
add the word "unjustified", it's. Less final.
Slide 19: To graduate a project must demonstrate the ability to grow, not
necessarily to have grown. Therefore I think this slide is too absolute in
its "grow or retire" message.
This looks great, the above points are all minor and you should feel free
to ignore or adapt as you see fit.
Ross
Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
On 16 Feb 2013 18:55, "Benson Margulies" <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR4k_E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
> incubator in Portland.
>
> If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
> it somewhere otherwise accessible.
>
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Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
Great slides. A few comments for you to take on board or ignore at your
pleasure (they are opinion not fact so you may not agree)...
Slide 5: personally I avoid 'viral' and still k to 'reciprocal' no need to
further alienate those who have a preference for reciprocal licences (I.e
use passive rather than aggressive language). By the same token I'd say
"not only about" as opposed to "not about". Personally I prefer things to
be free, but I'm pragmatic and recognise that sometimes freedom will need
to be compromised. Our licence is ideal for this, it provides choice and
uses economics to drive freedom.
Slide 9: I guess it depends on how you deliver this slide whether I agree
or not. The foundation will provide any "exotic" infrastructure that can be
justified. I remember telling a podling they couldn't have Git, for
example. I immediately went to infra and with the support of Jukka we got
permission for that podling to be the first one to adopt Git. Perhaps just
add the word "unjustified", it's. Less final.
Slide 19: To graduate a project must demonstrate the ability to grow, not
necessarily to have grown. Therefore I think this slide is too absolute in
its "grow or retire" message.
This looks great, the above points are all minor and you should feel free
to ignore or adapt as you see fit.
Ross
Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
On 16 Feb 2013 18:55, "Benson Margulies" <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR4k_E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
> incubator in Portland.
>
> If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
> it somewhere otherwise accessible.
>
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Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
For gathering wide area comments, gdocs rule.
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR4k_E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
> incubator in Portland.
>
> If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
> it somewhere otherwise accessible.
>
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Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hi Benson,
Looking really good!
You may consider adding a flow chart/diagram showing the Incubator process
but other than that, I don't have any suggestions.
Wonderful!
Cheers,
Chris
On 2/16/13 10:54 AM, "Benson Margulies" <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR
>4k_E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
>
>I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
>incubator in Portland.
>
>If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
>it somewhere otherwise accessible.
>
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Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hi Benson,
Looking really good!
You may consider adding a flow chart/diagram showing the Incubator process
but other than that, I don't have any suggestions.
Wonderful!
Cheers,
Chris
On 2/16/13 10:54 AM, "Benson Margulies" <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR
>4k_E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing
>
>I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the
>incubator in Portland.
>
>If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put
>it somewhere otherwise accessible.
>
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