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Vote on Confluence/MoinMoin/Static Site
Can we vote on the various options for wiki/website.
Here are the options as I see them. If you disagree and your preferred
option is not listed please suggest it.
[ ] Use Confluence both for wiki and static website. This will retire
MoinMoin from our project.
[ ] Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for static website
[ ] Use MoinMoin for the wiki and introduce Confluence but only for the
static site
RG
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Re: Vote on Confluence/MoinMoin/Static Site
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
I based on this, I am going to request the set up of cwiki so that we
can move across.
Regards
Carl.
Carl Trieloff wrote:
>
> It seems like there is a swing in support to Confluence. If there are
> no more
> votes on this I will request/ process a cwiki to be setup. If you are
> going to add
> comment do so now.
>
> Carl.
>
>
> Robert Greig wrote:
>> On 27/09/06, Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can I do a vote count on this -- and see where we are.
>>
>> Currently I believe we have:
>>
>> [6] Use Confluence both for wiki and static website. This will retire
>> MoinMoin from our project.
>> [2] Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for static
>> website
>> [0] Use MoinMoin for the wiki and introduce Confluence but only for the
>> static site
>>
>> RG
>
Re: Vote on Confluence/MoinMoin/Static Site
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
It seems like there is a swing in support to Confluence. If there are no
more
votes on this I will request/ process a cwiki to be setup. If you are
going to add
comment do so now.
Carl.
Robert Greig wrote:
> On 27/09/06, Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Can I do a vote count on this -- and see where we are.
>
> Currently I believe we have:
>
> [6] Use Confluence both for wiki and static website. This will retire
> MoinMoin from our project.
> [2] Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for static
> website
> [0] Use MoinMoin for the wiki and introduce Confluence but only for the
> static site
>
> RG
Re: Vote on Confluence/MoinMoin/Static Site
Posted by Robert Greig <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 27/09/06, Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com> wrote:
> Can I do a vote count on this -- and see where we are.
Currently I believe we have:
[6] Use Confluence both for wiki and static website. This will retire
MoinMoin from our project.
[2] Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for static website
[0] Use MoinMoin for the wiki and introduce Confluence but only for the
static site
RG
Re: Vote on Confluence/MoinMoin/Static Site
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
Can I do a vote count on this -- and see where we are.
I am not going to vote the the features being debated I have not used in
either.
Carl.
Steven Shaw wrote:
> +1 for Confluence
Re: Vote on Confluence/MoinMoin/Static Site
Posted by Steven Shaw <st...@gmail.com>.
+1 for Confluence
Re: Vote on Confluence/MoinMoin/Static Site
Posted by Bhupendra Bhardwaj <bh...@jpmorgan.com>.
+1 for Confluence
"Martin Ritchie"
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I understand and agree with Steve V.'s view on commercial software's role
(or lack there of) in open source development. It just doesn't seem right
to
me.
That said we have a project that we need to develop and have a presence
for.
Apache are using JIRA as their tracker and as such it seems reasonable to
leavearge the integration with Confluence. The fact that Confluence can
also
be used to make a good static site is a bonus.
I would prefer MoinMoin as I do and would like to continue supporting their
effort but in this case I have to +1 for Confluence as it makes most sense
for our project.
[X] Use Confluence both for wiki and static website. This will retire
MoinMoin from our project.
--
Martin
(now on googlemail)
On 26/09/06, Robert Greig <ro...@jpmorgan.com> wrote:
>
> Can we vote on the various options for wiki/website.
>
> Here are the options as I see them. If you disagree and your preferred
> option is not listed please suggest it.
>
> [ ] Use Confluence both for wiki and static website. This will retire
> MoinMoin from our project.
> [ ] Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for static
website
> [ ] Use MoinMoin for the wiki and introduce Confluence but only for the
> static site
>
> RG
>
>
>
> This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended
> as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial
> instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market
> prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness
or
> accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or
> statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase
&
> Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates.
>
> This transmission may contain information that is privileged,
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> PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed
to
> be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer
system
> into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the
> recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is
accepted
> by JPMorgan Chase & Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable,
for
> any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this
> transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy
the
> material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format.
Thank
> you.
>
>
--
Martin Ritchie
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Re: Vote on Confluence/MoinMoin/Static Site
Posted by Martin Ritchie <ma...@googlemail.com>.
I understand and agree with Steve V.'s view on commercial software's role
(or lack there of) in open source development. It just doesn't seem right to
me.
That said we have a project that we need to develop and have a presence for.
Apache are using JIRA as their tracker and as such it seems reasonable to
leavearge the integration with Confluence. The fact that Confluence can also
be used to make a good static site is a bonus.
I would prefer MoinMoin as I do and would like to continue supporting their
effort but in this case I have to +1 for Confluence as it makes most sense
for our project.
[X] Use Confluence both for wiki and static website. This will retire
MoinMoin from our project.
--
Martin
(now on googlemail)
On 26/09/06, Robert Greig <ro...@jpmorgan.com> wrote:
>
> Can we vote on the various options for wiki/website.
>
> Here are the options as I see them. If you disagree and your preferred
> option is not listed please suggest it.
>
> [ ] Use Confluence both for wiki and static website. This will retire
> MoinMoin from our project.
> [ ] Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for static website
> [ ] Use MoinMoin for the wiki and introduce Confluence but only for the
> static site
>
> RG
>
>
>
> This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended
> as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial
> instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market
> prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or
> accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or
> statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase &
> Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates.
>
> This transmission may contain information that is privileged,
> confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under
> applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the
> information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY
> PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to
> be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system
> into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the
> recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted
> by JPMorgan Chase & Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for
> any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this
> transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the
> material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank
> you.
>
>
--
Martin Ritchie
Re: Vote on Confluence/MoinMoin/Static Site
Posted by Steve Vinoski <vi...@iona.com>.
I abstain from the vote.
I know for a fact that MoinMoin can do everything Confluence can do,
including the GUI editor and website exporting and PDF conversion. It
can do pretty much anything you want, in fact, given how easy it is
to extend it and all the macros and plugins available for it.
However, and unfortunately, Apache chooses to run MoinMoin 1.3.4 for
whatever reason, whereas the current version is 1.5.5. I therefore
find it difficult to endorse something that Apache doesn't seem to
want to fully support. (Granted, I may be misjudging here, but I'm
only stating what I see. Also, I'd be happy to pitch in and get them
to 1.5.5 if they'd like my help.)
I can't endorse Confluence, either, because it's a commercial
product, and I don't think an open source project should be directly
using a commercial product for such a critical element. As I said
before, I'm surprised Apache even allows it, as IMO it shows
favoritism to a particular commercial vendor. Would we be allowed to
use the SocialText wiki instead, which is also available both
commercially and as open source? I bet not.
--steve
On Sep 26, 2006, at 8:28 PM, John O'Hara wrote:
> People are voting for that they know here - shock!
>
> Logic:
> MoinMoin is nice.
> Confluence is a lot like MoinMoin.
> We're using JIRA and Confluence and JIRA go well together (both from
> Atlassian).
> Maintaining static web pages is v. silly -- Apache are using
> Forrest and
> Confluence exports; its proven.
> The Confluence GUI editor beats MoinMoin hands down - its actually
> pleasant
> to use. And there's wiki markup too.
>
> Seems to me, that personal preferences for one or the other aside,
> using
> Confluence has more going for it.
>
> Therefore I vote: + 1 Confluence for both.
>
> John
>
> On 26/09/06, Alan Conway <ac...@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1 for moinmoin as developer wiki
>>
>> abstain for static website and doc, I don't know enough about it with
>> either wiki.
>>
>> On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 08:57 -0400, Rajith Attapattu wrote:
>> > +1 for Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for
>> static
>> > website
>> >
>> > Can you export documentation in confluence in html/pdf format.
>> > I would assume that when we ship a release we want to send some
>> > documentation along.
>> > If we use xml/html for static website we could send the
>> documentation
>> part
>> > of it along with the build.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Rajith
>> >
>> > On 9/26/06, Marnie McCormack <ma...@jpmorgan.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > +1 Confluence for both
>> > >
>> > > [+1 ] Use Confluence both for wiki and static website. This will
>> retire
>> > > MoinMoin from our project.
>> > > [ ] Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for
>> static
>> website
>> > > [ ] Use MoinMoin for the wiki and introduce Confluence but
>> only for
>> the
>> > > static site
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Marnie
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not
>> intended
>> > > as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any
>> financial
>> > > instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All
>> market
>> > > prices, data and other information are not warranted as to
>> completeness or
>> > > accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any
>> comments or
>> > > statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of
>> JPMorgan
>> Chase &
>> > > Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates.
>> > >
>> > > This transmission may contain information that is privileged,
>> > > confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from
>> disclosure under
>> > > applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are
>> hereby
>> > > notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of
>> the
>> > > information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is
>> STRICTLY
>> > > PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are
>> believed to
>> > > be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any
>> computer
>> system
>> > > into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility
>> of the
>> > > recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no
>> responsibility is
>> accepted
>> > > by JPMorgan Chase & Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as
>> applicable, for
>> > > any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you
>> received
>> this
>> > > transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and
>> destroy the
>> > > material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy
>> format.
>> Thank
>> > > you.
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>>
Re: Vote on Confluence/MoinMoin/Static Site
Posted by John O'Hara <jo...@gmail.com>.
People are voting for that they know here - shock!
Logic:
MoinMoin is nice.
Confluence is a lot like MoinMoin.
We're using JIRA and Confluence and JIRA go well together (both from
Atlassian).
Maintaining static web pages is v. silly -- Apache are using Forrest and
Confluence exports; its proven.
The Confluence GUI editor beats MoinMoin hands down - its actually pleasant
to use. And there's wiki markup too.
Seems to me, that personal preferences for one or the other aside, using
Confluence has more going for it.
Therefore I vote: + 1 Confluence for both.
John
On 26/09/06, Alan Conway <ac...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for moinmoin as developer wiki
>
> abstain for static website and doc, I don't know enough about it with
> either wiki.
>
> On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 08:57 -0400, Rajith Attapattu wrote:
> > +1 for Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for static
> > website
> >
> > Can you export documentation in confluence in html/pdf format.
> > I would assume that when we ship a release we want to send some
> > documentation along.
> > If we use xml/html for static website we could send the documentation
> part
> > of it along with the build.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rajith
> >
> > On 9/26/06, Marnie McCormack <ma...@jpmorgan.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > +1 Confluence for both
> > >
> > > [+1 ] Use Confluence both for wiki and static website. This will
> retire
> > > MoinMoin from our project.
> > > [ ] Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for static
> website
> > > [ ] Use MoinMoin for the wiki and introduce Confluence but only for
> the
> > > static site
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Marnie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not
> intended
> > > as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial
> > > instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All
> market
> > > prices, data and other information are not warranted as to
> completeness or
> > > accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or
> > > statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan
> Chase &
> > > Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates.
> > >
> > > This transmission may contain information that is privileged,
> > > confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under
> > > applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> > > notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the
> > > information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is
> STRICTLY
> > > PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are
> believed to
> > > be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer
> system
> > > into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the
> > > recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is
> accepted
> > > by JPMorgan Chase & Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as
> applicable, for
> > > any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received
> this
> > > transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and
> destroy the
> > > material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format.
> Thank
> > > you.
> > >
> > >
>
>
Re: Vote on Confluence/MoinMoin/Static Site
Posted by Alan Conway <ac...@redhat.com>.
+1 for moinmoin as developer wiki
abstain for static website and doc, I don't know enough about it with
either wiki.
On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 08:57 -0400, Rajith Attapattu wrote:
> +1 for Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for static
> website
>
> Can you export documentation in confluence in html/pdf format.
> I would assume that when we ship a release we want to send some
> documentation along.
> If we use xml/html for static website we could send the documentation part
> of it along with the build.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rajith
>
> On 9/26/06, Marnie McCormack <ma...@jpmorgan.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1 Confluence for both
> >
> > [+1 ] Use Confluence both for wiki and static website. This will retire
> > MoinMoin from our project.
> > [ ] Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for static website
> > [ ] Use MoinMoin for the wiki and introduce Confluence but only for the
> > static site
> >
> > Regards,
> > Marnie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended
> > as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial
> > instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market
> > prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or
> > accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or
> > statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase &
> > Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates.
> >
> > This transmission may contain information that is privileged,
> > confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under
> > applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> > notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the
> > information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY
> > PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to
> > be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system
> > into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the
> > recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted
> > by JPMorgan Chase & Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for
> > any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this
> > transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the
> > material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank
> > you.
> >
> >
Re: Vote on Confluence/MoinMoin/Static Site
Posted by Rajith Attapattu <ra...@gmail.com>.
+1 for Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for static
website
Can you export documentation in confluence in html/pdf format.
I would assume that when we ship a release we want to send some
documentation along.
If we use xml/html for static website we could send the documentation part
of it along with the build.
Regards,
Rajith
On 9/26/06, Marnie McCormack <ma...@jpmorgan.com> wrote:
>
> +1 Confluence for both
>
> [+1 ] Use Confluence both for wiki and static website. This will retire
> MoinMoin from our project.
> [ ] Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for static website
> [ ] Use MoinMoin for the wiki and introduce Confluence but only for the
> static site
>
> Regards,
> Marnie
>
>
>
>
> This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended
> as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial
> instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market
> prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or
> accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or
> statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase &
> Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates.
>
> This transmission may contain information that is privileged,
> confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under
> applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the
> information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY
> PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to
> be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system
> into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the
> recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted
> by JPMorgan Chase & Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for
> any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this
> transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the
> material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank
> you.
>
>
Re: Vote on Confluence/MoinMoin/Static Site
Posted by Marnie McCormack <ma...@jpmorgan.com>.
+1 Confluence for both
[+1 ] Use Confluence both for wiki and static website. This will retire
MoinMoin from our project.
[ ] Continue to use MoinMoin as a wiki and use xml/html for static website
[ ] Use MoinMoin for the wiki and introduce Confluence but only for the
static site
Regards,
Marnie
This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase & Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates.
This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase & Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you.