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Posted to user@flagon.apache.org by Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org> on 2022/10/22 03:42:32 UTC
[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
Hi All,
I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level project.
Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in 2020. Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread:
https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z <https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z>
Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been in Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation. Flagon is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have graduated.
At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community can improve. However, the following is true:
1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation
2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation
3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the years
4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator: https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html <https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html>
5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out)
The project and the community, like software, are never done. So the question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator.
Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the 31 OCT 2022.
Best,
Josh
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
Posted by Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>.
Ah, ya, Josh, reread your email, I was thinking 72 hours [ lazy consensus
], I now notice you mention wanting to kick off a new community VOTE [ per
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community_graduation_vote
] week of the 31st, no reason to rush things at this point :-).
I don't mind doing some of the admin work towards getting flagon graduated,
should that be helpful.
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:28 AM Joshua Poore <de...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Austin,
>
> Yeah… see convo on private.
>
> Was planning on community VOTE next week. Or you can initiate.
>
> Joshua Poore
>
>
> > On Oct 25, 2022, at 3:54 PM, Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Looks like community consensus is for graduation.
> >
> > Is next step a formal vote? Or, something else?
> >
> > I am happy to check with incubator, etc on working through steps, in the
> > event nobody else wants to drive this.
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 10:35 AM Rob Foley <rf...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm also in favor of graduation.
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >>> On 10/22/2022 1:44 PM, Austin Bennett wrote:
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>> Graduation a great step, I am in favor.
> >>>
> >>> I would like to see a bigger community [ of public users, and
> >> contributors
> >>> ], and those from different organizations. But, graduation may help
> >> that -
> >>> as being graduated is a strong signaling mechanism.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 9:52 AM Gedd Johnson <ge...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This is great to hear! Strongly in favor.
> >>>> - Gedd
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 22:42 Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi All,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities
> >>>>> perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level
> >> project.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in
> >>>> 2020.
> >>>>> Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that
> we
> >>>>> worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on
> >>>>> general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z <
> >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have
> been
> >> in
> >>>>> Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation.
> >> Flagon
> >>>>> is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have
> >>>> graduated.
> >>>>> At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and
> community
> >>>> can
> >>>>> improve. However, the following is true:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation
> >>>>> 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation
> >>>>> 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over
> the
> >>>>> years
> >>>>> 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator:
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> >>>>> <
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> >>>>> 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs
> on
> >>>>> INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The project and the community, like software, are never done. So the
> >>>>> question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready
> to
> >>>>> self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of
> the
> >>>> 31
> >>>>> OCT 2022.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Josh
> >>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
Posted by Joshua Poore <de...@gmail.com>.
Hi Austin,
Yeah… see convo on private.
Was planning on community VOTE next week. Or you can initiate.
Joshua Poore
> On Oct 25, 2022, at 3:54 PM, Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looks like community consensus is for graduation.
>
> Is next step a formal vote? Or, something else?
>
> I am happy to check with incubator, etc on working through steps, in the
> event nobody else wants to drive this.
>
>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 10:35 AM Rob Foley <rf...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm also in favor of graduation.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>> On 10/22/2022 1:44 PM, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Graduation a great step, I am in favor.
>>>
>>> I would like to see a bigger community [ of public users, and
>> contributors
>>> ], and those from different organizations. But, graduation may help
>> that -
>>> as being graduated is a strong signaling mechanism.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 9:52 AM Gedd Johnson <ge...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is great to hear! Strongly in favor.
>>>> - Gedd
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 22:42 Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities
>>>>> perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level
>> project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in
>>>> 2020.
>>>>> Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we
>>>>> worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on
>>>>> general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z <
>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been
>> in
>>>>> Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation.
>> Flagon
>>>>> is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have
>>>> graduated.
>>>>> At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community
>>>> can
>>>>> improve. However, the following is true:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation
>>>>> 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation
>>>>> 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the
>>>>> years
>>>>> 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator:
>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>>>>> <
>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>>>>> 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on
>>>>> INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out)
>>>>>
>>>>> The project and the community, like software, are never done. So the
>>>>> question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to
>>>>> self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the
>>>> 31
>>>>> OCT 2022.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
Posted by Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>.
Looks like community consensus is for graduation.
Is next step a formal vote? Or, something else?
I am happy to check with incubator, etc on working through steps, in the
event nobody else wants to drive this.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 10:35 AM Rob Foley <rf...@apache.org> wrote:
> I'm also in favor of graduation.
>
> Rob
>
> On 10/22/2022 1:44 PM, Austin Bennett wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > Graduation a great step, I am in favor.
> >
> > I would like to see a bigger community [ of public users, and
> contributors
> > ], and those from different organizations. But, graduation may help
> that -
> > as being graduated is a strong signaling mechanism.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 9:52 AM Gedd Johnson <ge...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> This is great to hear! Strongly in favor.
> >> - Gedd
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 22:42 Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities
> >>> perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level
> project.
> >>>
> >>> Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in
> >> 2020.
> >>> Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we
> >>> worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on
> >>> general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread:
> >>>
> >>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z <
> >>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z>
> >>>
> >>> Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been
> in
> >>> Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation.
> Flagon
> >>> is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have
> >> graduated.
> >>> At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community
> >> can
> >>> improve. However, the following is true:
> >>>
> >>> 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation
> >>> 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation
> >>> 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the
> >>> years
> >>> 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator:
> >>>
> >>
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> >>> <
> >>>
> >>
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> >>> 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on
> >>> INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out)
> >>>
> >>> The project and the community, like software, are never done. So the
> >>> question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to
> >>> self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator.
> >>>
> >>> Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the
> >> 31
> >>> OCT 2022.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Josh
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
Posted by Rob Foley <rf...@apache.org>.
I'm also in favor of graduation.
Rob
On 10/22/2022 1:44 PM, Austin Bennett wrote:
> +1
>
> Graduation a great step, I am in favor.
>
> I would like to see a bigger community [ of public users, and contributors
> ], and those from different organizations. But, graduation may help that -
> as being graduated is a strong signaling mechanism.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 9:52 AM Gedd Johnson <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is great to hear! Strongly in favor.
>> - Gedd
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 22:42 Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities
>>> perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level project.
>>>
>>> Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in
>> 2020.
>>> Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we
>>> worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on
>>> general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread:
>>>
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z <
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z>
>>>
>>> Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been in
>>> Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation. Flagon
>>> is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have
>> graduated.
>>> At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community
>> can
>>> improve. However, the following is true:
>>>
>>> 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation
>>> 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation
>>> 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the
>>> years
>>> 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator:
>>>
>> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>>> <
>>>
>> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>>> 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on
>>> INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out)
>>>
>>> The project and the community, like software, are never done. So the
>>> question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to
>>> self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator.
>>>
>>> Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the
>> 31
>>> OCT 2022.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Josh
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
Posted by Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>.
+1
Graduation a great step, I am in favor.
I would like to see a bigger community [ of public users, and contributors
], and those from different organizations. But, graduation may help that -
as being graduated is a strong signaling mechanism.
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 9:52 AM Gedd Johnson <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is great to hear! Strongly in favor.
> - Gedd
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 22:42 Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities
> > perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level project.
> >
> > Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in
> 2020.
> > Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we
> > worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on
> > general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread:
> >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z <
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z>
> >
> > Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been in
> > Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation. Flagon
> > is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have
> graduated.
> >
> > At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community
> can
> > improve. However, the following is true:
> >
> > 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation
> > 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation
> > 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the
> > years
> > 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator:
> >
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> > <
> >
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> > >
> > 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on
> > INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out)
> >
> > The project and the community, like software, are never done. So the
> > question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to
> > self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator.
> >
> > Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the
> 31
> > OCT 2022.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Josh
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
Posted by Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>.
+1
Graduation a great step, I am in favor.
I would like to see a bigger community [ of public users, and contributors
], and those from different organizations. But, graduation may help that -
as being graduated is a strong signaling mechanism.
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 9:52 AM Gedd Johnson <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is great to hear! Strongly in favor.
> - Gedd
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 22:42 Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities
> > perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level project.
> >
> > Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in
> 2020.
> > Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we
> > worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on
> > general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread:
> >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z <
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z>
> >
> > Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been in
> > Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation. Flagon
> > is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have
> graduated.
> >
> > At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community
> can
> > improve. However, the following is true:
> >
> > 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation
> > 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation
> > 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the
> > years
> > 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator:
> >
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> > <
> >
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> > >
> > 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on
> > INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out)
> >
> > The project and the community, like software, are never done. So the
> > question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to
> > self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator.
> >
> > Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the
> 31
> > OCT 2022.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Josh
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
Posted by Gedd Johnson <ge...@gmail.com>.
This is great to hear! Strongly in favor.
- Gedd
On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 22:42 Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities
> perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level project.
>
> Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in 2020.
> Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we
> worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on
> general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z <
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z>
>
> Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been in
> Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation. Flagon
> is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have graduated.
>
> At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community can
> improve. However, the following is true:
>
> 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation
> 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation
> 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the
> years
> 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator:
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> <
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> >
> 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on
> INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out)
>
> The project and the community, like software, are never done. So the
> question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to
> self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator.
>
> Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the 31
> OCT 2022.
>
> Best,
>
> Josh
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
Posted by Gedd Johnson <ge...@gmail.com>.
This is great to hear! Strongly in favor.
- Gedd
On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 22:42 Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities
> perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level project.
>
> Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in 2020.
> Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we
> worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on
> general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z <
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z>
>
> Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been in
> Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation. Flagon
> is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have graduated.
>
> At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community can
> improve. However, the following is true:
>
> 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation
> 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation
> 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the
> years
> 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator:
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> <
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> >
> 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on
> INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out)
>
> The project and the community, like software, are never done. So the
> question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to
> self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator.
>
> Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the 31
> OCT 2022.
>
> Best,
>
> Josh
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
Posted by lewis john mcgibbney <le...@apache.org>.
Hi Josh,
In short… yes. I firmly
Believe the project should graduate.
Please carry my +1 through to a VOTE thread.
Thanks
lewismc
On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 20:42 Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities
> perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level project.
>
> Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in 2020.
> Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we
> worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on
> general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z
>
> Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been in
> Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation. Flagon
> is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have graduated.
>
> At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community can
> improve. However, the following is true:
>
> 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation
> 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation
> 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the
> years
> 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator:
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on
> INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out)
>
> The project and the community, like software, are never done. *So the
> question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to
> self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator. *
>
> Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the 31
> OCT 2022.
>
> Best,
>
> Josh
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Flagon
Posted by lewis john mcgibbney <le...@apache.org>.
Hi Josh,
In short… yes. I firmly
Believe the project should graduate.
Please carry my +1 through to a VOTE thread.
Thanks
lewismc
On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 20:42 Joshua Poore <po...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I’m initiating this DISCUSS thread to talk through the communities
> perspective (at this point in time) on Graduation as a Top Level project.
>
> Flagon has tried to Graduate twice before first in 2018, and then in 2020.
> Each time, we didn’t get any strong blockers, but some tickets that we
> worked to burn down. Ultimately, though the graduation VOTE on
> general@incubator just lost steam. Here is the last thread:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/svf7ckpohmt4s9cflf35m12n3w0sz46z
>
> Now, the Incubator is highly motivated to push projects that have been in
> Incubation status longer than two years to move toward graduation. Flagon
> is CERTAINLY on that list, and the remark is that we should have graduated.
>
> At this point, there are certainly ways that our project and community can
> improve. However, the following is true:
>
> 1. The community has consistently VOTED in favor Graduation
> 2. Mentors have consistently been in favor of Graduation
> 3. The project has demonstrated stability and continued growth over the
> years
> 4. The project meets the maturity model of the incubator:
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> 5. The Incubator is now very engaged in graduating (I suspect VOTEs on
> INCUBATOR won’t fizzle out)
>
> The project and the community, like software, are never done. *So the
> question to DISCUSS is whether the community agrees that we’re ready to
> self-govern and continue development outside the Incubator. *
>
> Let’s discuss over the next week, and move to a VOTE on the week of the 31
> OCT 2022.
>
> Best,
>
> Josh
>
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