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Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book. Most often
they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
they have identified, such as:
http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
the trademark policy here:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
However, that only covers the trademark. There is another rights
owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed. Of
course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
screenshots. But that is extra work. Generally they are trying to
clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images. The more
difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it. Since this is
free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old. They
don't reflect the new Apache branding.
Here's how we can do better:
1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
OpenOffice. Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
under ALv2 by the original authors. We want documents, for all of
our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
languages. (We do get requests from book publishers in many
countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform Do it with
AOO 3.4.1 for now. But plan on repeating with each major new release.
Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
have uniformity.
3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
purpose and permissions.
What do we think? I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
on Windows. But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
files.
Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
-Rob
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RE: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
+1
And considering where most of our downloads are, documentation should be generous in what platforms are shown as well.
I assume most readers can adjust to the cross-platform variations in an open applications, just as the different releases of Windows have different ways of providing the standard UI elements used by Apache OpenOffice (differing among Windows XP, Windows Vista/7, and Windows 8).
- Dennis
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Subject: Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wasn't there an issue a while back about creating screenshots on
> particular platforms, something about it being a Microsoft copyright
> issue to have screenshots for Windows, or an Apple copyright issue to
> have screenshots for Mac?
>
There was paranoia, certainly, but I have not seen any credible
argument against using screenshots from Windows or Mac.
We might want, from an open source promotion perspective, to use open
source platforms for creating our screen shots. But at the same time,
an article for a Windows-focused tech journal would want the
screenshot to reflect what their audience is familiar with.
In any case, I have not seen a single instance of anyone get into
trouble from using Windows screenshots.
-Rob
> Don
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wasn't there an issue a while back about creating screenshots on
> particular platforms, something about it being a Microsoft copyright
> issue to have screenshots for Windows, or an Apple copyright issue to
> have screenshots for Mac?
>
There was paranoia, certainly, but I have not seen any credible
argument against using screenshots from Windows or Mac.
We might want, from an open source promotion perspective, to use open
source platforms for creating our screen shots. But at the same time,
an article for a Windows-focused tech journal would want the
screenshot to reflect what their audience is familiar with.
In any case, I have not seen a single instance of anyone get into
trouble from using Windows screenshots.
-Rob
> Don
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
Posted by Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com>.
Wasn't there an issue a while back about creating screenshots on
particular platforms, something about it being a Microsoft copyright
issue to have screenshots for Windows, or an Apple copyright issue to
have screenshots for Mac?
Don
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 3/10/13 4:49 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Most of the cases the screen shots will be developed by the organisation
>> who want to use it. So when ever there is a request for permission, it
>> shall be granted immediately, including the screen shots of our website. If
>> the want any screen shot, which they can not make it themselves, then the
>> same can be provided by openoffice.org.
>>
>> For example, if they want a screen shot with Tamil text, I can provide them.
>>
>
> We don't see many cases where they create their own screen shots. That
> doesn't mean it doesn't happen, of course. But it may mean that those
> who create their own screenshots don't think they need permission to
> use them, so they never write to us.
>
> When we are contacted it is almost always for permission to use an
> existing screenshot from our website.
>
> But certainly it is one possibility to create in advance screenshots
> in just English but then say on the website that we can create
> additional languages on request. However, the more that we do in
> advance the easier it is for the journalist example, and more likely
> they will use our materials.
Sure anybody can create screenshots on their own but the idea here is to
have a set of high quality screenshots in place. It makes a huge
difference to have a screenshot of an hello world document or a more
sophisticated document with real life content and well formatted, or a
more complex spreadsheet with charts, or a power presentation ...
We don't need a huge collection but 1 or 2 for each application or a
collage of some of them together.
I think it's basic press and marketing material that we should have in
place. Simply to make it easy for people who need a screenshot and that
we are satisfied with the outcome.
Juergen
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> With Warm Regards
>>
>> V.Kadal Amutham
>> 919444360480
>> 914422396480
>>
>>
>> On 10 March 2013 20:36, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
>>> for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book. Most often
>>> they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
>>> they have identified, such as:
>>>
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
>>>
>>> Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
>>> the trademark policy here:
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>>>
>>> However, that only covers the trademark. There is another rights
>>> owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
>>> screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed. Of
>>> course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
>>> screenshots. But that is extra work. Generally they are trying to
>>> clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images. The more
>>> difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it. Since this is
>>> free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
>>>
>>> Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old. They
>>> don't reflect the new Apache branding.
>>>
>>> Here's how we can do better:
>>>
>>> 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
>>> OpenOffice. Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
>>> examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
>>> under ALv2 by the original authors. We want documents, for all of
>>> our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
>>>
>>> Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
>>> languages. (We do get requests from book publishers in many
>>> countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
>>>
>>> 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform Do it with
>>> AOO 3.4.1 for now. But plan on repeating with each major new release.
>>> Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
>>> have uniformity.
>>>
>>> 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
>>> purpose and permissions.
>>>
>>> What do we think? I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
>>> on Windows. But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
>>> files.
>>>
>>> Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
>>> journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Most of the cases the screen shots will be developed by the organisation
> who want to use it. So when ever there is a request for permission, it
> shall be granted immediately, including the screen shots of our website. If
> the want any screen shot, which they can not make it themselves, then the
> same can be provided by openoffice.org.
>
> For example, if they want a screen shot with Tamil text, I can provide them.
>
We don't see many cases where they create their own screen shots. That
doesn't mean it doesn't happen, of course. But it may mean that those
who create their own screenshots don't think they need permission to
use them, so they never write to us.
When we are contacted it is almost always for permission to use an
existing screenshot from our website.
But certainly it is one possibility to create in advance screenshots
in just English but then say on the website that we can create
additional languages on request. However, the more that we do in
advance the easier it is for the journalist example, and more likely
they will use our materials.
-Rob
> With Warm Regards
>
> V.Kadal Amutham
> 919444360480
> 914422396480
>
>
> On 10 March 2013 20:36, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
>> for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book. Most often
>> they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
>> they have identified, such as:
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
>>
>> Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
>> the trademark policy here:
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>>
>> However, that only covers the trademark. There is another rights
>> owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
>> screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed. Of
>> course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
>> screenshots. But that is extra work. Generally they are trying to
>> clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images. The more
>> difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it. Since this is
>> free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
>>
>> Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old. They
>> don't reflect the new Apache branding.
>>
>> Here's how we can do better:
>>
>> 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
>> OpenOffice. Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
>> examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
>> under ALv2 by the original authors. We want documents, for all of
>> our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
>>
>> Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
>> languages. (We do get requests from book publishers in many
>> countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
>>
>> 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform Do it with
>> AOO 3.4.1 for now. But plan on repeating with each major new release.
>> Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
>> have uniformity.
>>
>> 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
>> purpose and permissions.
>>
>> What do we think? I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
>> on Windows. But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
>> files.
>>
>> Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
>> journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Most of the cases the screen shots will be developed by the organisation
> who want to use it. So when ever there is a request for permission, it
> shall be granted immediately, including the screen shots of our website. If
> the want any screen shot, which they can not make it themselves, then the
> same can be provided by openoffice.org.
>
> For example, if they want a screen shot with Tamil text, I can provide them.
>
We don't see many cases where they create their own screen shots. That
doesn't mean it doesn't happen, of course. But it may mean that those
who create their own screenshots don't think they need permission to
use them, so they never write to us.
When we are contacted it is almost always for permission to use an
existing screenshot from our website.
But certainly it is one possibility to create in advance screenshots
in just English but then say on the website that we can create
additional languages on request. However, the more that we do in
advance the easier it is for the journalist example, and more likely
they will use our materials.
-Rob
> With Warm Regards
>
> V.Kadal Amutham
> 919444360480
> 914422396480
>
>
> On 10 March 2013 20:36, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
>> for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book. Most often
>> they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
>> they have identified, such as:
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
>>
>> Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
>> the trademark policy here:
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>>
>> However, that only covers the trademark. There is another rights
>> owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
>> screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed. Of
>> course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
>> screenshots. But that is extra work. Generally they are trying to
>> clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images. The more
>> difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it. Since this is
>> free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
>>
>> Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old. They
>> don't reflect the new Apache branding.
>>
>> Here's how we can do better:
>>
>> 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
>> OpenOffice. Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
>> examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
>> under ALv2 by the original authors. We want documents, for all of
>> our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
>>
>> Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
>> languages. (We do get requests from book publishers in many
>> countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
>>
>> 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform Do it with
>> AOO 3.4.1 for now. But plan on repeating with each major new release.
>> Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
>> have uniformity.
>>
>> 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
>> purpose and permissions.
>>
>> What do we think? I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
>> on Windows. But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
>> files.
>>
>> Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
>> journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
Posted by Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com>.
Most of the cases the screen shots will be developed by the organisation
who want to use it. So when ever there is a request for permission, it
shall be granted immediately, including the screen shots of our website. If
the want any screen shot, which they can not make it themselves, then the
same can be provided by openoffice.org.
For example, if they want a screen shot with Tamil text, I can provide them.
With Warm Regards
V.Kadal Amutham
919444360480
914422396480
On 10 March 2013 20:36, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
> for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book. Most often
> they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
> they have identified, such as:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
>
> Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
> the trademark policy here:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>
> However, that only covers the trademark. There is another rights
> owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
> screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed. Of
> course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
> screenshots. But that is extra work. Generally they are trying to
> clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images. The more
> difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it. Since this is
> free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
>
> Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old. They
> don't reflect the new Apache branding.
>
> Here's how we can do better:
>
> 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
> OpenOffice. Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
> examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
> under ALv2 by the original authors. We want documents, for all of
> our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
>
> Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
> languages. (We do get requests from book publishers in many
> countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
>
> 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform Do it with
> AOO 3.4.1 for now. But plan on repeating with each major new release.
> Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
> have uniformity.
>
> 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
> purpose and permissions.
>
> What do we think? I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
> on Windows. But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
> files.
>
> Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
> journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
>
> -Rob
>
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:01 AM, Juergen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Am Freitag, 15. März 2013 um 00:50 schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
>> > > > > for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book. Most often
>> > > > > they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
>> > > > > they have identified, such as:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
>> > > > > the trademark policy here:
>> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>> > > > >
>> > > > > However, that only covers the trademark. There is another rights
>> > > > > owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
>> > > > > screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed. Of
>> > > > > course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
>> > > > > screenshots. But that is extra work. Generally they are trying to
>> > > > > clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images. The more
>> > > > > difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it. Since this is
>> > > > > free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old. They
>> > > > > don't reflect the new Apache branding.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Here's how we can do better:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
>> > > > > OpenOffice. Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
>> > > > > examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
>> > > > > under ALv2 by the original authors. We want documents, for all of
>> > > > > our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
>> > > > > languages. (We do get requests from book publishers in many
>> > > > > countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform Do it with
>> > > > > AOO 3.4.1 for now. But plan on repeating with each major new release.
>> > > > > Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
>> > > > > have uniformity.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
>> > > > > purpose and permissions.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What do we think? I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
>> > > > > on Windows. But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
>> > > > > files.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
>> > > > > journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -Rob
>> > > >
>> > > > I thought I remembered seeing a screenshot area on the web site once
>> > > upon a
>> > > > time, and here it is:
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.openoffice.org/screenshots/
>> > >
>> > > OK. That's the idea, certainly. I see variations for different
>> > > languages there as well. But it is all very old, some of the
>> > > screenshots from 2003, 10 years old!
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > yes...I just wanted to point this out basically.
>> >
>> >
>> > > > It took me a while to track this down though -- there's a link in the
>> > > > marketing area which needs to be fixed to get you to this older area.
>> > > > Originating from:
>> > > > http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/marketing_where.html
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I fixed that link.
>> > >
>> > > > Anyway, these are not standard by any means, but worth taking a look at I
>> > > > suppose. Also NO mention of specific license which would need to be
>> > > > included, etc.
>> > > >
>> > > > So, there is certainly a precedent for these.
>> > > >
>> > > > yes, we should update this area. Maybe a short blog for this kind of
>> > > > request?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > That's one approach. Ask for cool looking documents. Another would
>> > > be to make our own, based on a theme. For example, we could pick some
>> > > text, something classic, in the public domain, H.G. Wells, or Dickens,
>> > > but something appropriate to openness, sharing, or other open source
>> > > themes. Then use that text as a common element of our sample
>> > > documents. And then make the sample documents look good.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The common works are a great idea!
>>
>> A quick prototype:
>>
>> http://www.robweir.com/screenshot.png
>>
>> Nothing fancy -- but it is based on public domain content. Could
>> probably be improved, like with a border around the image, etc.
>>
>>
>
> would it make sense to view the plugged navigator and stylist. For 4.0 of course the sidebar.
>
That's a good idea. We might even want to have several screenshots.
For some, we can show all the UI adornments and panels. For others
maybe show how simple the UI can be. Some people like to focus on
just the text and eliminate distractions.
I uploaded the document as well, if anyone wants to improve the
appearance: http://www.robweir.com/screenshot.odt
-Rob
> Juergen
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > > This could
>> > > work in Writer and Impress, where it is easy to put a quote. But not
>> > > sure what to do about Calc... unless you make a chart of "four score
>> > > and seven years ago" ;-)
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm sure with a little effort we could find something for Calc. State
>> > budgets? Other publicly available expenditures?
>> >
>> > These kinds of screenshots would be great to "posterize" and take to booth
>> > exhibits as well. They would be very eye catching.
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > -Rob
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
Posted by Juergen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
Am Freitag, 15. März 2013 um 00:50 schrieb Rob Weir:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
> > > > > for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book. Most often
> > > > > they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
> > > > > they have identified, such as:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
> > > > >
> > > > > Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
> > > > > the trademark policy here:
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
> > > > >
> > > > > However, that only covers the trademark. There is another rights
> > > > > owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
> > > > > screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed. Of
> > > > > course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
> > > > > screenshots. But that is extra work. Generally they are trying to
> > > > > clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images. The more
> > > > > difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it. Since this is
> > > > > free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
> > > > >
> > > > > Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old. They
> > > > > don't reflect the new Apache branding.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's how we can do better:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
> > > > > OpenOffice. Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
> > > > > examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
> > > > > under ALv2 by the original authors. We want documents, for all of
> > > > > our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
> > > > >
> > > > > Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
> > > > > languages. (We do get requests from book publishers in many
> > > > > countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform Do it with
> > > > > AOO 3.4.1 for now. But plan on repeating with each major new release.
> > > > > Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
> > > > > have uniformity.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
> > > > > purpose and permissions.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do we think? I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
> > > > > on Windows. But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
> > > > > files.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
> > > > > journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Rob
> > > >
> > > > I thought I remembered seeing a screenshot area on the web site once
> > > upon a
> > > > time, and here it is:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.openoffice.org/screenshots/
> > >
> > > OK. That's the idea, certainly. I see variations for different
> > > languages there as well. But it is all very old, some of the
> > > screenshots from 2003, 10 years old!
> > >
> >
> >
> > yes...I just wanted to point this out basically.
> >
> >
> > > > It took me a while to track this down though -- there's a link in the
> > > > marketing area which needs to be fixed to get you to this older area.
> > > > Originating from:
> > > > http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/marketing_where.html
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I fixed that link.
> > >
> > > > Anyway, these are not standard by any means, but worth taking a look at I
> > > > suppose. Also NO mention of specific license which would need to be
> > > > included, etc.
> > > >
> > > > So, there is certainly a precedent for these.
> > > >
> > > > yes, we should update this area. Maybe a short blog for this kind of
> > > > request?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That's one approach. Ask for cool looking documents. Another would
> > > be to make our own, based on a theme. For example, we could pick some
> > > text, something classic, in the public domain, H.G. Wells, or Dickens,
> > > but something appropriate to openness, sharing, or other open source
> > > themes. Then use that text as a common element of our sample
> > > documents. And then make the sample documents look good.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > The common works are a great idea!
>
> A quick prototype:
>
> http://www.robweir.com/screenshot.png
>
> Nothing fancy -- but it is based on public domain content. Could
> probably be improved, like with a border around the image, etc.
>
>
would it make sense to view the plugged navigator and stylist. For 4.0 of course the sidebar.
Juergen
>
> -Rob
>
> >
> >
> > > This could
> > > work in Writer and Impress, where it is easy to put a quote. But not
> > > sure what to do about Calc... unless you make a chart of "four score
> > > and seven years ago" ;-)
> > >
> >
> >
> > I'm sure with a little effort we could find something for Calc. State
> > budgets? Other publicly available expenditures?
> >
> > These kinds of screenshots would be great to "posterize" and take to booth
> > exhibits as well. They would be very eye catching.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > -Rob
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
>> >> for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book. Most often
>> >> they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
>> >> they have identified, such as:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
>> >>
>> >> Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
>> >> the trademark policy here:
>> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>> >>
>> >> However, that only covers the trademark. There is another rights
>> >> owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
>> >> screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed. Of
>> >> course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
>> >> screenshots. But that is extra work. Generally they are trying to
>> >> clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images. The more
>> >> difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it. Since this is
>> >> free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
>> >>
>> >> Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old. They
>> >> don't reflect the new Apache branding.
>> >>
>> >> Here's how we can do better:
>> >>
>> >> 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
>> >> OpenOffice. Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
>> >> examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
>> >> under ALv2 by the original authors. We want documents, for all of
>> >> our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
>> >>
>> >> Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
>> >> languages. (We do get requests from book publishers in many
>> >> countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
>> >>
>> >> 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform Do it with
>> >> AOO 3.4.1 for now. But plan on repeating with each major new release.
>> >> Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
>> >> have uniformity.
>> >>
>> >> 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
>> >> purpose and permissions.
>> >>
>> >> What do we think? I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
>> >> on Windows. But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
>> >> files.
>> >>
>> >> Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
>> >> journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
>> >>
>> >> -Rob
>> >>
>> >
>> > I thought I remembered seeing a screenshot area on the web site once
>> upon a
>> > time, and here it is:
>> >
>> > http://www.openoffice.org/screenshots/
>> >
>>
>> OK. That's the idea, certainly. I see variations for different
>> languages there as well. But it is all very old, some of the
>> screenshots from 2003, 10 years old!
>>
>
> yes...I just wanted to point this out basically.
>
>
>> > It took me a while to track this down though -- there's a link in the
>> > marketing area which needs to be fixed to get you to this older area.
>> > Originating from:
>> > http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/marketing_where.html
>> >
>>
>> I fixed that link.
>>
>> > Anyway, these are not standard by any means, but worth taking a look at I
>> > suppose. Also NO mention of specific license which would need to be
>> > included, etc.
>> >
>> > So, there is certainly a precedent for these.
>> >
>> > yes, we should update this area. Maybe a short blog for this kind of
>> > request?
>> >
>>
>> That's one approach. Ask for cool looking documents. Another would
>> be to make our own, based on a theme. For example, we could pick some
>> text, something classic, in the public domain, H.G. Wells, or Dickens,
>> but something appropriate to openness, sharing, or other open source
>> themes. Then use that text as a common element of our sample
>> documents. And then make the sample documents look good.
>
>
> The common works are a great idea!
>
A quick prototype:
http://www.robweir.com/screenshot.png
Nothing fancy -- but it is based on public domain content. Could
probably be improved, like with a border around the image, etc.
-Rob
>
>
>> This could
>> work in Writer and Impress, where it is easy to put a quote. But not
>> sure what to do about Calc... unless you make a chart of "four score
>> and seven years ago" ;-)
>>
>
> I'm sure with a little effort we could find something for Calc. State
> budgets? Other publicly available expenditures?
>
> These kinds of screenshots would be great to "posterize" and take to booth
> exhibits as well. They would be very eye catching.
>
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > MzK
>> >
>> > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
>>
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>>
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
> >> for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book. Most often
> >> they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
> >> they have identified, such as:
> >>
> >> http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
> >>
> >> Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
> >> the trademark policy here:
> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
> >>
> >> However, that only covers the trademark. There is another rights
> >> owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
> >> screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed. Of
> >> course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
> >> screenshots. But that is extra work. Generally they are trying to
> >> clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images. The more
> >> difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it. Since this is
> >> free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
> >>
> >> Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old. They
> >> don't reflect the new Apache branding.
> >>
> >> Here's how we can do better:
> >>
> >> 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
> >> OpenOffice. Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
> >> examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
> >> under ALv2 by the original authors. We want documents, for all of
> >> our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
> >>
> >> Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
> >> languages. (We do get requests from book publishers in many
> >> countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
> >>
> >> 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform Do it with
> >> AOO 3.4.1 for now. But plan on repeating with each major new release.
> >> Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
> >> have uniformity.
> >>
> >> 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
> >> purpose and permissions.
> >>
> >> What do we think? I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
> >> on Windows. But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
> >> files.
> >>
> >> Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
> >> journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >
> > I thought I remembered seeing a screenshot area on the web site once
> upon a
> > time, and here it is:
> >
> > http://www.openoffice.org/screenshots/
> >
>
> OK. That's the idea, certainly. I see variations for different
> languages there as well. But it is all very old, some of the
> screenshots from 2003, 10 years old!
>
yes...I just wanted to point this out basically.
> > It took me a while to track this down though -- there's a link in the
> > marketing area which needs to be fixed to get you to this older area.
> > Originating from:
> > http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/marketing_where.html
> >
>
> I fixed that link.
>
> > Anyway, these are not standard by any means, but worth taking a look at I
> > suppose. Also NO mention of specific license which would need to be
> > included, etc.
> >
> > So, there is certainly a precedent for these.
> >
> > yes, we should update this area. Maybe a short blog for this kind of
> > request?
> >
>
> That's one approach. Ask for cool looking documents. Another would
> be to make our own, based on a theme. For example, we could pick some
> text, something classic, in the public domain, H.G. Wells, or Dickens,
> but something appropriate to openness, sharing, or other open source
> themes. Then use that text as a common element of our sample
> documents. And then make the sample documents look good.
The common works are a great idea!
> This could
> work in Writer and Impress, where it is easy to put a quote. But not
> sure what to do about Calc... unless you make a chart of "four score
> and seven years ago" ;-)
>
I'm sure with a little effort we could find something for Calc. State
budgets? Other publicly available expenditures?
These kinds of screenshots would be great to "posterize" and take to booth
exhibits as well. They would be very eye catching.
>
> -Rob
>
> >
> >
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > MzK
> >
> > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
>
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
>> for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book. Most often
>> they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
>> they have identified, such as:
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
>>
>> Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
>> the trademark policy here:
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>>
>> However, that only covers the trademark. There is another rights
>> owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
>> screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed. Of
>> course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
>> screenshots. But that is extra work. Generally they are trying to
>> clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images. The more
>> difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it. Since this is
>> free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
>>
>> Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old. They
>> don't reflect the new Apache branding.
>>
>> Here's how we can do better:
>>
>> 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
>> OpenOffice. Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
>> examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
>> under ALv2 by the original authors. We want documents, for all of
>> our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
>>
>> Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
>> languages. (We do get requests from book publishers in many
>> countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
>>
>> 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform Do it with
>> AOO 3.4.1 for now. But plan on repeating with each major new release.
>> Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
>> have uniformity.
>>
>> 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
>> purpose and permissions.
>>
>> What do we think? I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
>> on Windows. But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
>> files.
>>
>> Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
>> journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
> I thought I remembered seeing a screenshot area on the web site once upon a
> time, and here it is:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/screenshots/
>
OK. That's the idea, certainly. I see variations for different
languages there as well. But it is all very old, some of the
screenshots from 2003, 10 years old!
> It took me a while to track this down though -- there's a link in the
> marketing area which needs to be fixed to get you to this older area.
> Originating from:
> http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/marketing_where.html
>
I fixed that link.
> Anyway, these are not standard by any means, but worth taking a look at I
> suppose. Also NO mention of specific license which would need to be
> included, etc.
>
> So, there is certainly a precedent for these.
>
> yes, we should update this area. Maybe a short blog for this kind of
> request?
>
That's one approach. Ask for cool looking documents. Another would
be to make our own, based on a theme. For example, we could pick some
text, something classic, in the public domain, H.G. Wells, or Dickens,
but something appropriate to openness, sharing, or other open source
themes. Then use that text as a common element of our sample
documents. And then make the sample documents look good. This could
work in Writer and Impress, where it is easy to put a quote. But not
sure what to do about Calc... unless you make a chart of "four score
and seven years ago" ;-)
-Rob
>
>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
> for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book. Most often
> they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
> they have identified, such as:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
>
> Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
> the trademark policy here:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>
> However, that only covers the trademark. There is another rights
> owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
> screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed. Of
> course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
> screenshots. But that is extra work. Generally they are trying to
> clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images. The more
> difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it. Since this is
> free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
>
> Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old. They
> don't reflect the new Apache branding.
>
> Here's how we can do better:
>
> 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
> OpenOffice. Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
> examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
> under ALv2 by the original authors. We want documents, for all of
> our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
>
> Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
> languages. (We do get requests from book publishers in many
> countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
>
> 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform Do it with
> AOO 3.4.1 for now. But plan on repeating with each major new release.
> Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
> have uniformity.
>
> 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
> purpose and permissions.
>
> What do we think? I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
> on Windows. But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
> files.
>
> Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
> journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
>
> -Rob
>
I thought I remembered seeing a screenshot area on the web site once upon a
time, and here it is:
http://www.openoffice.org/screenshots/
It took me a while to track this down though -- there's a link in the
marketing area which needs to be fixed to get you to this older area.
Originating from:
http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/marketing_where.html
Anyway, these are not standard by any means, but worth taking a look at I
suppose. Also NO mention of specific license which would need to be
included, etc.
So, there is certainly a precedent for these.
yes, we should update this area. Maybe a short blog for this kind of
request?
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity
Posted by Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com>.
Most of the cases the screen shots will be developed by the organisation
who want to use it. So when ever there is a request for permission, it
shall be granted immediately, including the screen shots of our website. If
the want any screen shot, which they can not make it themselves, then the
same can be provided by openoffice.org.
For example, if they want a screen shot with Tamil text, I can provide them.
With Warm Regards
V.Kadal Amutham
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On 10 March 2013 20:36, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
> for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book. Most often
> they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
> they have identified, such as:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
>
> Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
> the trademark policy here:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>
> However, that only covers the trademark. There is another rights
> owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
> screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed. Of
> course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
> screenshots. But that is extra work. Generally they are trying to
> clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images. The more
> difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it. Since this is
> free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
>
> Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old. They
> don't reflect the new Apache branding.
>
> Here's how we can do better:
>
> 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
> OpenOffice. Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
> examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
> under ALv2 by the original authors. We want documents, for all of
> our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
>
> Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
> languages. (We do get requests from book publishers in many
> countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
>
> 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform Do it with
> AOO 3.4.1 for now. But plan on repeating with each major new release.
> Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
> have uniformity.
>
> 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
> purpose and permissions.
>
> What do we think? I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
> on Windows. But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
> files.
>
> Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
> journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
>
> -Rob
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