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AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Hi all,
Edwin Sharp and some other users found several bugs [1] under Linux64,
in summary the conclusion seems to be that AOO currently is more or less
unusable with Linux 64.
Can some developers please have a look?
Best regards
Rainer
Used Hyperlinks:
[1]
<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cversion%2Copendate%2Creporter&f1=op_sys&list_id=93343&o1=substring&op_sys=Linux64&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&v1=linux>
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Shenfeng Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
Rainer,
It 123348 the issue you met?
- Shenfeng (Simon)
2013/9/29 Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de>
> Hi all,
>
> Edwin Sharp and some other users found several bugs [1] under Linux64, in
> summary the conclusion seems to be that AOO currently is more or less
> unusable with Linux 64.
>
> Can some developers please have a look?
>
> Best regards
>
> Rainer
>
>
> Used Hyperlinks:
> [1] <https://issues.apache.org/**ooo/buglist.cgi?chfield=[Bug%**
> 20creation]&chfieldfrom=-360d&**chfieldto=Now&columnlist=**
> product%2Ccomponent%**2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%**
> 2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%**2Cchangeddate%2Cversion%**
> 2Copendate%2Creporter&f1=op_**sys&list_id=93343&o1=**
> substring&op_sys=Linux64&**query_format=advanced&**resolution=---&v1=linux<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cversion%2Copendate%2Creporter&f1=op_sys&list_id=93343&o1=substring&op_sys=Linux64&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&v1=linux>
> >
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Edwin Sharp <el...@mail-page.com>.
In subsequent checks I installed the deb (not arc!) package using dpkg -i *.deb
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013, at 12:05, Herbert Duerr wrote:
> On 29.09.2013 21:12, Edwin Sharp wrote:
> > [...]
> > Not sure what is meant by Crash bug, but here is relevant information:
> > Current distribution I use: http://www.aptosid.com/
>
> A great distribution, I use that too!
>
> > AOO was installed from arc file of the Buildbots.
>
> Ah, that's the reason. Linux has a different development philosophy than
> most other platforms. On other platforms you tell the compiler to target
> a specific baseline (e.g. OSX 10.4 or Windows XP). On Linux the
> philosophy used to be "just recompile if any of the libraries changed
> its APIs" or "update from your system's specific package repository
> where one of the maintainers did that for you". Things have gotten much
> better since but selecting a target API is still not easily possible.
>
> So to solve this for our releases we use the "greatest common
> denominator" approach on Linux: Linux nowadays tries not to break older
> binaries, so we're using a very old system for building the packages. A
> system old enough that most current systems can work with it.
>
> These ancient systems are how we build our releases and release snapshots.
>
> Now the Linux64 buildbot uses Ubuntu 10.4 and the Linux32 buildbot runs
> on Ubuntu 12.4. These systems are quite new and their new compilers are
> much better than what is provided by the "greatest common denominator "
> systems, which enables them to find and report important bugs. The
> drawback is that unless your system is a descendant of these newer Linux
> systems the builds they create are unusable for you.
>
> I suggest to check the official release candidate snapshots if we're in
> the release phase. They have the maximum binary compatibility.
>
> If you want to check the latest experimental trunk releases created by
> buildbots running new distributions I suggest to install that same
> distribution or one of its descendants.
>
> Herbert
>
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Herbert Duerr <hd...@apache.org>.
On 29.09.2013 21:12, Edwin Sharp wrote:
> [...]
> Not sure what is meant by Crash bug, but here is relevant information:
> Current distribution I use: http://www.aptosid.com/
A great distribution, I use that too!
> AOO was installed from arc file of the Buildbots.
Ah, that's the reason. Linux has a different development philosophy than
most other platforms. On other platforms you tell the compiler to target
a specific baseline (e.g. OSX 10.4 or Windows XP). On Linux the
philosophy used to be "just recompile if any of the libraries changed
its APIs" or "update from your system's specific package repository
where one of the maintainers did that for you". Things have gotten much
better since but selecting a target API is still not easily possible.
So to solve this for our releases we use the "greatest common
denominator" approach on Linux: Linux nowadays tries not to break older
binaries, so we're using a very old system for building the packages. A
system old enough that most current systems can work with it.
These ancient systems are how we build our releases and release snapshots.
Now the Linux64 buildbot uses Ubuntu 10.4 and the Linux32 buildbot runs
on Ubuntu 12.4. These systems are quite new and their new compilers are
much better than what is provided by the "greatest common denominator "
systems, which enables them to find and report important bugs. The
drawback is that unless your system is a descendant of these newer Linux
systems the builds they create are unusable for you.
I suggest to check the official release candidate snapshots if we're in
the release phase. They have the maximum binary compatibility.
If you want to check the latest experimental trunk releases created by
buildbots running new distributions I suggest to install that same
distribution or one of its descendants.
Herbert
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Herbert Duerr <hd...@apache.org>.
On 29.09.2013 21:12, Edwin Sharp wrote:
> [...]
> Not sure what is meant by Crash bug, but here is relevant information:
> Current distribution I use: http://www.aptosid.com/
A great distribution, I use that too!
> AOO was installed from arc file of the Buildbots.
Ah, that's the reason. Linux has a different development philosophy than
most other platforms. On other platforms you tell the compiler to target
a specific baseline (e.g. OSX 10.4 or Windows XP). On Linux the
philosophy used to be "just recompile if any of the libraries changed
its APIs" or "update from your system's specific package repository
where one of the maintainers did that for you". Things have gotten much
better since but selecting a target API is still not easily possible.
So to solve this for our releases we use the "greatest common
denominator" approach on Linux: Linux nowadays tries not to break older
binaries, so we're using a very old system for building the packages. A
system old enough that most current systems can work with it.
These ancient systems are how we build our releases and release snapshots.
Now the Linux64 buildbot uses Ubuntu 10.4 and the Linux32 buildbot runs
on Ubuntu 12.4. These systems are quite new and their new compilers are
much better than what is provided by the "greatest common denominator "
systems, which enables them to find and report important bugs. The
drawback is that unless your system is a descendant of these newer Linux
systems the builds they create are unusable for you.
I suggest to check the official release candidate snapshots if we're in
the release phase. They have the maximum binary compatibility.
If you want to check the latest experimental trunk releases created by
buildbots running new distributions I suggest to install that same
distribution or one of its descendants.
Herbert
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Edwin Sharp <el...@mail-page.com>.
Dear Rainer
Not sure what is meant by Crash bug, but here is relevant information:
Current distribution I use: http://www.aptosid.com/
Original bug reports were generated via laptop using USB installation.
AOO was installed from arc file of the Buildbots.
Desktop environment was KDE.
Second check was performed using same laptop with 4.0.1 RC3 build.
Desktop environment was changed to XFCE.
Confirmation was performed with PC using HD installation.
AOO was installed from deb file of 4.0.1 RC3 build.
Desktop environment was again XFCE.
PC has following characteristics:
Host/Kernel/OS "aptosidbox" running Linux 3.11-1.slh.1-aptosid-amd64 x86_64 [ aptosid 2013-01 Ἑσπερίδες - kde-lite - (201305050307) ]
CPU Info 2x AMD Athlon II X2 250 1024 KB cache flags( sse3 ht nx lm svm ) clocked at [ 1800.000 MHz ]
Videocard Advanced Micro Devices, [AMD/ATI] Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series] [ ]
Network cards Marvell 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit
Processes 113 | Uptime 1:34 | Memory 424.5/3960.2MB | HDD ST3500418AS Size 500GB (1%used) | Client Shell | Infobash v3.46
Edwin
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013, at 20:27, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
> Andrea Pescetti schrieb:
>
> > Edwin uses the DEB packages while everybody else here probably tested
> > with the RPM packages,
>
> Hi,
>
> it's also my suspect that the problems are related to Edwins packages or
> something else very particular what affects both PC he tested, we will
> need more information concerning packages, Installation, OS and so on to
> find out what the roots of the problems are.
>
> @Edwin:
> Can you please gather all relevant info in a Crash bug (or a similar one
> with bigger importance)?
>
> CU
>
> Rainer
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de>.
Andrea Pescetti schrieb:
> Edwin uses the DEB packages while everybody else here probably tested
> with the RPM packages,
Hi,
it's also my suspect that the problems are related to Edwins packages or
something else very particular what affects both PC he tested, we will
need more information concerning packages, Installation, OS and so on to
find out what the roots of the problems are.
@Edwin:
Can you please gather all relevant info in a Crash bug (or a similar one
with bigger importance)?
CU
Rainer
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
> Edwin Sharp and some other users found several bugs [1] under Linux64,
> in summary the conclusion seems to be that AOO currently is more or less
> unusable with Linux 64.
It is usable for me. I tried to reproduce one of the problems
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123360 and I couldn't. I
tried to reproduce a few other ones and I can confirm them, but in the
cases I examined these problems are in 4.0.0 too. One of them,
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123359 is a repeatable
crash and should definitely be addressed for 4.1.0 (too late for 4.0.1).
Edwin uses the DEB packages while everybody else here probably tested
with the RPM packages, but if packaging is correct this difference
shouldn't justify the bugs he sees.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Herbert Duerr <hd...@apache.org>.
On 29.09.2013 07:30, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
> Edwin Sharp and some other users found several bugs [1] under Linux64,
> in summary the conclusion seems to be that AOO currently is more or less
> unusable with Linux 64.
Please see the thread on the QA list where things start to look as if
buildbot nightly builds where tested that were not compatible (and not
intended to be compatible) with the system where they were tested.
> Can some developers please have a look?
>[...]
> <https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cversion%2Copendate%2Creporter&f1=op_sys&list_id=93343&o1=substring&op_sys=Linux64&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&v1=linux>
Most of the issues look platform independent. They seem to be reported
against Linux64 just because this was the system the testers used and
not because they were isolated to be Linux64 specific. So it would be
interesting for testers on other platforms to check them too. I suggest
that if an issue is confirmed on two or more different platforms that
this field gets set to "ALL".
Herbert
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
> Edwin Sharp and some other users found several bugs [1] under Linux64,
> in summary the conclusion seems to be that AOO currently is more or less
> unusable with Linux 64.
It is usable for me. I tried to reproduce one of the problems
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123360 and I couldn't. I
tried to reproduce a few other ones and I can confirm them, but in the
cases I examined these problems are in 4.0.0 too. One of them,
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123359 is a repeatable
crash and should definitely be addressed for 4.1.0 (too late for 4.0.1).
Edwin uses the DEB packages while everybody else here probably tested
with the RPM packages, but if packaging is correct this difference
shouldn't justify the bugs he sees.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Liu Ping <do...@gmail.com>.
Hi
I check 5 unconfirm issues, Attempt to confirm 4 issues (except for one
issue which belong to "code" component ) , According by my testing result
and other volunteer's previous comments , two reasons lead to fail to
confirm these issues
1.Lack detail steps to reproduce
2.Have ambiguous expression for certain steps or words
122333 <https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122333>
122480<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122480>
122715 <https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122715>
122726<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122726>
All 4 issues need to be provided more information by reporter , and give
"needmoreinfo" Keyword to these issues
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <
orwittmann@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
>
> On 02.10.2013 15:57, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 30.09.2013 17:17, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 29.09.2013 07:30, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Edwin Sharp and some other users found several bugs [1] under Linux64,
>>>> in summary the conclusion seems to be that AOO currently is more or less
>>>> unusable with Linux 64.
>>>>
>>>> Can some developers please have a look?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I will have a closer look at these issues in my Ubuntu 64bit 10.04 VM.
>>> On this VM I have snapshots with different OpenOffice versions - namely
>>> OOo 3.3.0, AOO 3.4.0 and AOO401RC2. Thus, I can check, if the defects
>>> are newly introduced or already present in a former version.
>>>
>>> I will also check on my Windows 7 64bit, if the defects are also
>>> reproducible on this platform.
>>>
>>>
>> My intermediate report.
>> I had a look at about half of the initial 28 reported issues. Due to my
>> investigations the below given buglist now only shows 22 issues.
>> - 121322 - not my area of expertise - no investigations from my side
>> - 121694 - platform-independent and most likely not a bug
>> - 122278 - duplicate of 122279 which is platform-independent
>> - 122281 - platform-independent, broken since OOo 3.4Beta
>> - 122333 - still unclear and unconfirmed
>> - 122480 - until now not reproducible - it is still unconfirmed
>> - 122715 - still unconfirmed and reporter's feedback pending
>> - 122726 - still under investigation by others --> no investigation from
>> my side
>> - 123348 - already known and depending other software installed on the
>> system; also reporter answers pending
>> - 121290 - related to build environment - users are not affected;
>> workaround available
>> - 121312 - not my area of expertise - no investigations from my side
>> - 122014 - seems to be fixed in AOO 4.0.1
>> - 122737 - platform-independent
>>
>>
> I have finished my investigation. The below given buglist shows now 8
> issues. 5 out of 8 are still not confirmed. From the remaining three one is
> a problem in the build environment, another one is a known conflict with an
> installed LibreOffice instance and the third one is a problem with an
> extension.
> Details on the issues I had investigated since my intermediate report are:
> - 122738 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.3.0
> - 122741 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
> - 122742 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.3.0
> - 122743 - not reproducible; resolved as NOTABUG by reporter in the
> meanwhile
> - 123350 - platform-independent; regression introduced in AOO 4.0.0
> - 123351 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
> - 123353 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
> - 123354 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
> - 123355 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
> - 123357 - platform-independent; resolved as NOTABUG
> - 123359 - platform-independent; regression introduced in AOO 4.0.0
> - 123360 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
> - 123362 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
> - 123363 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
>
>
> Thus, I do not draw the conclusion that AOO is unusable on Linux 64bit.
>
>
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
>
>
>>>> Used Hyperlinks:
>>>> [1]
>>>> <https://issues.apache.org/**ooo/buglist.cgi?chfield=[Bug%**
>>>> 20creation]&chfieldfrom=-360d&**chfieldto=Now&columnlist=**
>>>> product%2Ccomponent%**2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%**
>>>> 2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%**2Cchangeddate%2Cversion%**
>>>> 2Copendate%2Creporter&f1=op_**sys&list_id=93343&o1=**
>>>> substring&op_sys=Linux64&**query_format=advanced&**
>>>> resolution=---&v1=linux<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cversion%2Copendate%2Creporter&f1=op_sys&list_id=93343&o1=substring&op_sys=Linux64&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&v1=linux>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Liu Ping <do...@gmail.com>.
Hi
I check 5 unconfirm issues, Attempt to confirm 4 issues (except for one
issue which belong to "code" component ) , According by my testing result
and other volunteer's previous comments , two reasons lead to fail to
confirm these issues
1.Lack detail steps to reproduce
2.Have ambiguous expression for certain steps or words
122333 <https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122333>
122480<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122480>
122715 <https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122715>
122726<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122726>
All 4 issues need to be provided more information by reporter , and give
"needmoreinfo" Keyword to these issues
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <
orwittmann@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
>
> On 02.10.2013 15:57, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 30.09.2013 17:17, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 29.09.2013 07:30, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Edwin Sharp and some other users found several bugs [1] under Linux64,
>>>> in summary the conclusion seems to be that AOO currently is more or less
>>>> unusable with Linux 64.
>>>>
>>>> Can some developers please have a look?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I will have a closer look at these issues in my Ubuntu 64bit 10.04 VM.
>>> On this VM I have snapshots with different OpenOffice versions - namely
>>> OOo 3.3.0, AOO 3.4.0 and AOO401RC2. Thus, I can check, if the defects
>>> are newly introduced or already present in a former version.
>>>
>>> I will also check on my Windows 7 64bit, if the defects are also
>>> reproducible on this platform.
>>>
>>>
>> My intermediate report.
>> I had a look at about half of the initial 28 reported issues. Due to my
>> investigations the below given buglist now only shows 22 issues.
>> - 121322 - not my area of expertise - no investigations from my side
>> - 121694 - platform-independent and most likely not a bug
>> - 122278 - duplicate of 122279 which is platform-independent
>> - 122281 - platform-independent, broken since OOo 3.4Beta
>> - 122333 - still unclear and unconfirmed
>> - 122480 - until now not reproducible - it is still unconfirmed
>> - 122715 - still unconfirmed and reporter's feedback pending
>> - 122726 - still under investigation by others --> no investigation from
>> my side
>> - 123348 - already known and depending other software installed on the
>> system; also reporter answers pending
>> - 121290 - related to build environment - users are not affected;
>> workaround available
>> - 121312 - not my area of expertise - no investigations from my side
>> - 122014 - seems to be fixed in AOO 4.0.1
>> - 122737 - platform-independent
>>
>>
> I have finished my investigation. The below given buglist shows now 8
> issues. 5 out of 8 are still not confirmed. From the remaining three one is
> a problem in the build environment, another one is a known conflict with an
> installed LibreOffice instance and the third one is a problem with an
> extension.
> Details on the issues I had investigated since my intermediate report are:
> - 122738 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.3.0
> - 122741 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
> - 122742 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.3.0
> - 122743 - not reproducible; resolved as NOTABUG by reporter in the
> meanwhile
> - 123350 - platform-independent; regression introduced in AOO 4.0.0
> - 123351 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
> - 123353 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
> - 123354 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
> - 123355 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
> - 123357 - platform-independent; resolved as NOTABUG
> - 123359 - platform-independent; regression introduced in AOO 4.0.0
> - 123360 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
> - 123362 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
> - 123363 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
>
>
> Thus, I do not draw the conclusion that AOO is unusable on Linux 64bit.
>
>
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
>
>
>>>> Used Hyperlinks:
>>>> [1]
>>>> <https://issues.apache.org/**ooo/buglist.cgi?chfield=[Bug%**
>>>> 20creation]&chfieldfrom=-360d&**chfieldto=Now&columnlist=**
>>>> product%2Ccomponent%**2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%**
>>>> 2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%**2Cchangeddate%2Cversion%**
>>>> 2Copendate%2Creporter&f1=op_**sys&list_id=93343&o1=**
>>>> substring&op_sys=Linux64&**query_format=advanced&**
>>>> resolution=---&v1=linux<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cversion%2Copendate%2Creporter&f1=op_sys&list_id=93343&o1=substring&op_sys=Linux64&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&v1=linux>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi again,
On 02.10.2013 15:57, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 30.09.2013 17:17, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 29.09.2013 07:30, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Edwin Sharp and some other users found several bugs [1] under Linux64,
>>> in summary the conclusion seems to be that AOO currently is more or less
>>> unusable with Linux 64.
>>>
>>> Can some developers please have a look?
>>>
>>
>> I will have a closer look at these issues in my Ubuntu 64bit 10.04 VM.
>> On this VM I have snapshots with different OpenOffice versions - namely
>> OOo 3.3.0, AOO 3.4.0 and AOO401RC2. Thus, I can check, if the defects
>> are newly introduced or already present in a former version.
>>
>> I will also check on my Windows 7 64bit, if the defects are also
>> reproducible on this platform.
>>
>
> My intermediate report.
> I had a look at about half of the initial 28 reported issues. Due to my
> investigations the below given buglist now only shows 22 issues.
> - 121322 - not my area of expertise - no investigations from my side
> - 121694 - platform-independent and most likely not a bug
> - 122278 - duplicate of 122279 which is platform-independent
> - 122281 - platform-independent, broken since OOo 3.4Beta
> - 122333 - still unclear and unconfirmed
> - 122480 - until now not reproducible - it is still unconfirmed
> - 122715 - still unconfirmed and reporter's feedback pending
> - 122726 - still under investigation by others --> no investigation from
> my side
> - 123348 - already known and depending other software installed on the
> system; also reporter answers pending
> - 121290 - related to build environment - users are not affected;
> workaround available
> - 121312 - not my area of expertise - no investigations from my side
> - 122014 - seems to be fixed in AOO 4.0.1
> - 122737 - platform-independent
>
I have finished my investigation. The below given buglist shows now 8
issues. 5 out of 8 are still not confirmed. From the remaining three one
is a problem in the build environment, another one is a known conflict
with an installed LibreOffice instance and the third one is a problem
with an extension.
Details on the issues I had investigated since my intermediate report are:
- 122738 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.3.0
- 122741 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
- 122742 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.3.0
- 122743 - not reproducible; resolved as NOTABUG by reporter in the
meanwhile
- 123350 - platform-independent; regression introduced in AOO 4.0.0
- 123351 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
- 123353 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
- 123354 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
- 123355 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
- 123357 - platform-independent; resolved as NOTABUG
- 123359 - platform-independent; regression introduced in AOO 4.0.0
- 123360 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
- 123362 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
- 123363 - platform-independent; occurs at least since OOo 3.2.0
Thus, I do not draw the conclusion that AOO is unusable on Linux 64bit.
Best regards, Oliver.
>>>
>>> Used Hyperlinks:
>>> [1]
>>> <https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cversion%2Copendate%2Creporter&f1=op_sys&list_id=93343&o1=substring&op_sys=Linux64&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&v1=linux>
>>>
>>>
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Herbert Duerr <hd...@apache.org>.
On 02.10.2013 15:57, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 30.09.2013 17:17, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 29.09.2013 07:30, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Edwin Sharp and some other users found several bugs [1] under Linux64,
>>> in summary the conclusion seems to be that AOO currently is more or less
>>> unusable with Linux 64.
>>>
>>> Can some developers please have a look?
>>>
>>
>> I will have a closer look at these issues in my Ubuntu 64bit 10.04 VM.
>> On this VM I have snapshots with different OpenOffice versions - namely
>> OOo 3.3.0, AOO 3.4.0 and AOO401RC2. Thus, I can check, if the defects
>> are newly introduced or already present in a former version.
>>
>> I will also check on my Windows 7 64bit, if the defects are also
>> reproducible on this platform.
>>
>
> My intermediate report.
> I had a look at about half of the initial 28 reported issues. Due to my
> investigations the below given buglist now only shows 22 issues.
> - 121322 - not my area of expertise - no investigations from my side
> - 121694 - platform-independent and most likely not a bug
> - 122278 - duplicate of 122279 which is platform-independent
> - 122281 - platform-independent, broken since OOo 3.4Beta
> - 122333 - still unclear and unconfirmed
> - 122480 - until now not reproducible - it is still unconfirmed
> - 122715 - still unconfirmed and reporter's feedback pending
> - 122726 - still under investigation by others --> no investigation from
> my side
> - 123348 - already known and depending other software installed on the
> system; also reporter answers pending
> - 121290 - related to build environment - users are not affected;
> workaround available
> - 121312 - not my area of expertise - no investigations from my side
> - 122014 - seems to be fixed in AOO 4.0.1
> - 122737 - platform-independent
So this initial assessments shows that there is no Linux64 specific
badness, it just proves the assumption that the platform field was set
to "Linux64" not because the issues were analyzed to be Linux64
specific. They were just reported for that popular platform because it
has many power users of Apache OpenOffice.
And it shows that an issue's Operating-System field is somewhat
ambiguous. For the reporter the field means the operating system where
the problem occurs. As was seen in the original mail of this thread it
can also get interpreted differently: to evaluate the quality of AOO's
support for a platform. This would only work if the field was more reliable.
To make it more reliable I suggest that the field gets adjusted when the
issue gets confirmed or when the platform impact of a problem is better
known. E.g. when users report the issue on different platforms or when
the issue has been analyzed and the root cause is understood to be
platform independent.
Herbert
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On 30.09.2013 17:17, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 29.09.2013 07:30, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Edwin Sharp and some other users found several bugs [1] under Linux64,
>> in summary the conclusion seems to be that AOO currently is more or less
>> unusable with Linux 64.
>>
>> Can some developers please have a look?
>>
>
> I will have a closer look at these issues in my Ubuntu 64bit 10.04 VM.
> On this VM I have snapshots with different OpenOffice versions - namely
> OOo 3.3.0, AOO 3.4.0 and AOO401RC2. Thus, I can check, if the defects
> are newly introduced or already present in a former version.
>
> I will also check on my Windows 7 64bit, if the defects are also
> reproducible on this platform.
>
My intermediate report.
I had a look at about half of the initial 28 reported issues. Due to my
investigations the below given buglist now only shows 22 issues.
- 121322 - not my area of expertise - no investigations from my side
- 121694 - platform-independent and most likely not a bug
- 122278 - duplicate of 122279 which is platform-independent
- 122281 - platform-independent, broken since OOo 3.4Beta
- 122333 - still unclear and unconfirmed
- 122480 - until now not reproducible - it is still unconfirmed
- 122715 - still unconfirmed and reporter's feedback pending
- 122726 - still under investigation by others --> no investigation from
my side
- 123348 - already known and depending other software installed on the
system; also reporter answers pending
- 121290 - related to build environment - users are not affected;
workaround available
- 121312 - not my area of expertise - no investigations from my side
- 122014 - seems to be fixed in AOO 4.0.1
- 122737 - platform-independent
Best regards, Oliver.
>>
>> Used Hyperlinks:
>> [1]
>> <https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cversion%2Copendate%2Creporter&f1=op_sys&list_id=93343&o1=substring&op_sys=Linux64&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&v1=linux>
>>
>>
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On 29.09.2013 07:30, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Edwin Sharp and some other users found several bugs [1] under Linux64,
> in summary the conclusion seems to be that AOO currently is more or less
> unusable with Linux 64.
>
> Can some developers please have a look?
>
I will have a closer look at these issues in my Ubuntu 64bit 10.04 VM.
On this VM I have snapshots with different OpenOffice versions - namely
OOo 3.3.0, AOO 3.4.0 and AOO401RC2. Thus, I can check, if the defects
are newly introduced or already present in a former version.
I will also check on my Windows 7 64bit, if the defects are also
reproducible on this platform.
Best regards, Oliver.
> Best regards
>
> Rainer
>
>
> Used Hyperlinks:
> [1]
> <https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cversion%2Copendate%2Creporter&f1=op_sys&list_id=93343&o1=substring&op_sys=Linux64&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&v1=linux>
>
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Re: AOO 4 unusable under Linux64?
Posted by Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>.
2013/9/29 Rainer Bielefeld <ra...@bielefeldundbuss.de>
> Hi all,
>
> Edwin Sharp and some other users found several bugs [1] under Linux64, in
> summary the conclusion seems to be that AOO currently is more or less
> unusable with Linux 64.
>
> Can some developers please have a look?
>
> Best regards
>
> Rainer
>
>
> Used Hyperlinks:
> [1] <https://issues.apache.org/**ooo/buglist.cgi?chfield=[Bug%**
> 20creation]&chfieldfrom=-360d&**chfieldto=Now&columnlist=**
> product%2Ccomponent%**2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%**
> 2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%**2Cchangeddate%2Cversion%**
> 2Copendate%2Creporter&f1=op_**sys&list_id=93343&o1=**
> substring&op_sys=Linux64&**query_format=advanced&**resolution=---&v1=linux<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cversion%2Copendate%2Creporter&f1=op_sys&list_id=93343&o1=substring&op_sys=Linux64&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&v1=linux>
> >
>
>
Well, I'm using AOO on a 64 bit Linux system every day without problems ;)
One of the problems on the list was a duplicate of another problem solved
on 4.0.0, some I cannot reproduce (I commented on one of them) and on
several I have no idea about the problem they describe, because they refers
to a particular "test case". I only have looked at reports against Writer,
though.
Regards,
Ricardo
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