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why storm is written in clojure
Hi, all
I know clojure has some different features in concurreny from java ,such as agent, ref and STM, but it seems that storm uses disrupter a lot for intra-worker communication, so is it the main reason to use clojure for storm because of its concurreny features?
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Re: why storm is written in clojure
Posted by ri...@chartbeat.com.
Clojure is a jvm language.
> On Sep 3, 2015, at 6:13 PM, 임정택 <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FYI, Storm has been using Disruptor from 0.8.0.
> http://storm.apache.org/2012/08/02/storm080-released.html
>
> And Nathan loves Clojure. https://twitter.com/nathanmarz/status/639137146620784641
>
> I don't think Storm should be implemented as Clojure. Storm could be implemented as pure Java (see JStorm, which ports Storm to pure Java), or Scala, or etc.
> Btw, choosing JVM languages would be great for productivity since so many libraries are available.
>
>
> 2015-09-02 14:38 GMT+09:00 TSD-贾宏超 <ji...@neusoft.com>:
>> Hi, all
>> I know clojure has some different features in concurreny from java ,such as agent, ref and STM, but it seems that storm uses disrupter a lot for intra-worker communication, so is it the main reason to use clojure for storm because of its concurreny features?
>>
>> 贾宏超
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>> 东软集团（大连）有限公司
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Re: why storm is written in clojure
Posted by 임정택 <ka...@gmail.com>.
FYI, Storm has been using Disruptor from 0.8.0.
http://storm.apache.org/2012/08/02/storm080-released.html
And Nathan loves Clojure.
https://twitter.com/nathanmarz/status/639137146620784641
I don't think Storm should be implemented as Clojure. Storm could be
implemented as pure Java (see JStorm, which ports Storm to pure Java), or
Scala, or etc.
Btw, choosing JVM languages would be great for productivity since so many
libraries are available.
2015-09-02 14:38 GMT+09:00 TSD-贾宏超 <ji...@neusoft.com>:
> Hi, all
> I know clojure has some different features in concurreny from java
> ,such as agent, ref and STM, but it seems that storm uses disrupter a lot
> for intra-worker communication, so is it the main reason to use clojure for
> storm because of its concurreny features?
>
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Re: why storm is written in clojure
Posted by ri...@chartbeat.com.
Right, but those aren't technical reasons, just stylistic choices.
> On Sep 2, 2015, at 10:54 PM, YI YANG <ya...@live.com> wrote:
>
> The section "Building first version" in the Storm author's blog post "History of Apache Storm and lessons learned" mentioned the "productive" as the reason of the key decision that time.
> http://nathanmarz.com/blog/history-of-apache-storm-and-lessons-learned.html
>
> The "Structure of the Codebase" doc page gave more hints that Clojure is more "expressive" to cut the lines of code into about half comparing to Java for implementation.
> http://storm.apache.org/documentation/Structure-of-the-codebase.html
>
> So I feel that these could be one of the reasons. FYI.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Yi
>
> Subject: Re: why storm is written in clojure
> From: rick@chartbeat.com
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:16:20 -0400
> To: user@storm.apache.org
>
> I think the main reason storm was written in clojure is that the author was excited about using closure at the time. I don’t think there was a technical reason really, more a matter of taste. I could be wrong though.
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:38 AM, TSD-贾宏超 <ji...@neusoft.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, all
> I know clojure has some different features in concurreny from java ,such as agent, ref and STM, but it seems that storm uses disrupter a lot for intra-worker communication, so is it the main reason to use clojure for storm because of its concurreny features?
>
> 贾宏超
> 技术战略与发展部(TSD)
> 东软集团（大连）有限公司
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> E-mail: jia.hch@neusoft.com
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RE: why storm is written in clojure
Posted by YI YANG <ya...@live.com>.
The section "Building first version" in the Storm author's blog post "History of Apache Storm and lessons learned" mentioned the "productive" as the reason of the key decision that time.http://nathanmarz.com/blog/history-of-apache-storm-and-lessons-learned.html
The "Structure of the Codebase" doc page gave more hints that Clojure is more "expressive" to cut the lines of code into about half comparing to Java for implementation.http://storm.apache.org/documentation/Structure-of-the-codebase.html
So I feel that these could be one of the reasons. FYI.
Thanks,
Yi
Subject: Re: why storm is written in clojure
From: rick@chartbeat.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:16:20 -0400
To: user@storm.apache.org
I think the main reason storm was written in clojure is that the author was excited about using closure at the time. I don’t think there was a technical reason really, more a matter of taste. I could be wrong though.
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:38 AM, TSD-贾宏超 <ji...@neusoft.com> wrote:Hi, all I know clojure has some different features in concurreny from java ,such as agent, ref and STM, but it seems that storm uses disrupter a lot for intra-worker communication, so is it the main reason to use clojure for storm because of its concurreny features?
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Re: why storm is written in clojure
Posted by Rick Mangi <ri...@chartbeat.com>.
I think the main reason storm was written in clojure is that the author was excited about using closure at the time. I don’t think there was a technical reason really, more a matter of taste. I could be wrong though.
> On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:38 AM, TSD-贾宏超 <ji...@neusoft.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, all
> I know clojure has some different features in concurreny from java ,such as agent, ref and STM, but it seems that storm uses disrupter a lot for intra-worker communication, so is it the main reason to use clojure for storm because of its concurreny features?
>
> 贾宏超
> 技术战略与发展部(TSD)
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