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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Torsten Schlabach <ts...@apache.org> on 2005/03/07 15:11:09 UTC

Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Hi all,

did anyone yet write any - maybe experimental - code for Cocoon to use a 
  repository through the JCR (aka JSR-170) API?

I am thinking of an Avalon / Excalibur source (which is the right 
current term?) which would maybe implement a scheme, so I could write

<map:generate src="jcr://..." />

Regards,
Torsten

Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
> Reinhard Poetz wrote:
> 
>> Michael Wechner wrote:
>>
>>> Upayavira wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Wechner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> what about specifying the repo as parameter, e.g.
>>>>>
>>>>> <map:generate src="jcr://...">
>>>>>  <map:parameter name="repo" value="..."/>
>>>>> </map:generate>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Because this is a source, not a generator. The parameter would be a 
>>>> parameter to the generator.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ok. Well, I thought the generator could pass it on to the source, but 
>>> I guess I
>>> don't fully understand how it should work. Will try to figure it out.
>>>
>>> But on the other hand I don't fully understand why Sylvan would like 
>>> to use
>>> jcrX://... instead of jcr://X/... as Stefano suggested, which seems 
>>> to make
>>> more sense.
>>
>>
>>
>> same here.
>> The repository configuration could be done in the source configuration 
>> (.xconf) but I guess that Sylvain is aware of this ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> My suggestion of having different protocols for different repositories 
> comes from lazyness as with jcr://repo/ the first path element has to be 
> handled by the source factory implementation that then needs to call the 
> appropriate repository (and also manage a collection of repositories) 
> whereas having several protocols allows all this stuff to be handled 
> automatically by the service manager and the source resolver.
> 
> Or we could also have a RepositorySelector and select a repository using 
> the first path element. Hmm... that may be a good option as an 
> application also need to access a repository directly and not only 
> through a source. Hmm...

I know it came from lazyness.

And that is also why I hope you'll reconsider spending those 15 minutes 
and save all of us (and you!) terrible pain in the future in answering a 
gazillion email about why in hell that was done ;-)

-- 
Stefano.


Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
> Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
> 
>> Sylvain Wallez wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Or we could also have a RepositorySelector and select a repository 
>>> using the first path element.
>>
>>
>>
>> Instead of path element, you could use subprotocol
>>
>>   jcr:repo1://path/
> 
> 
> 
> I like it, as it allows to use jcr://path to use the default (or single) 
> repository.

+1

-- 
Stefano.


Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org>.
Vadim Gritsenko wrote:

> Sylvain Wallez wrote:
>
>>
>> Or we could also have a RepositorySelector and select a repository 
>> using the first path element.
>
>
> Instead of path element, you could use subprotocol
>
>   jcr:repo1://path/


I like it, as it allows to use jcr://path to use the default (or single) 
repository.

>> Hmm... that may be a good option as an application also need to 
>> access a repository directly and not only through a source. Hmm...
>
>
> Yes, applications should have programmatic access to the repository. 
> Are you thinking about registering all repositories in cocoon.xconf?


Exactly. The JCRSourceFactory will then just be one particular client of 
these components.

Sylvain

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Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@reverycodes.com>.
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
> 
> Or we could also have a RepositorySelector and select a repository using 
> the first path element.

Instead of path element, you could use subprotocol

   jcr:repo1://path/


> Hmm... that may be a good option as an 
> application also need to access a repository directly and not only 
> through a source. Hmm...

Yes, applications should have programmatic access to the repository. Are you 
thinking about registering all repositories in cocoon.xconf?

Vadim


> Sylvain

Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org>.
Reinhard Poetz wrote:

> Michael Wechner wrote:
>
>> Upayavira wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Wechner wrote:
>>>
>>>> what about specifying the repo as parameter, e.g.
>>>>
>>>> <map:generate src="jcr://...">
>>>>  <map:parameter name="repo" value="..."/>
>>>> </map:generate>
>>>
>>>
>>> Because this is a source, not a generator. The parameter would be a 
>>> parameter to the generator.
>>
>>
>> ok. Well, I thought the generator could pass it on to the source, but 
>> I guess I
>> don't fully understand how it should work. Will try to figure it out.
>>
>> But on the other hand I don't fully understand why Sylvan would like 
>> to use
>> jcrX://... instead of jcr://X/... as Stefano suggested, which seems 
>> to make
>> more sense.
>
>
> same here.
> The repository configuration could be done in the source configuration 
> (.xconf) but I guess that Sylvain is aware of this ;-)


My suggestion of having different protocols for different repositories 
comes from lazyness as with jcr://repo/ the first path element has to be 
handled by the source factory implementation that then needs to call the 
appropriate repository (and also manage a collection of repositories) 
whereas having several protocols allows all this stuff to be handled 
automatically by the service manager and the source resolver.

Or we could also have a RepositorySelector and select a repository using 
the first path element. Hmm... that may be a good option as an 
application also need to access a repository directly and not only 
through a source. Hmm...

Sylvain

-- 
Sylvain Wallez                                  Anyware Technologies
http://www.apache.org/~sylvain           http://www.anyware-tech.com
{ XML, Java, Cocoon, OpenSource }*{ Training, Consulting, Projects }


Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Reinhard Poetz <re...@apache.org>.
Michael Wechner wrote:
> Upayavira wrote:
> 
>> Michael Wechner wrote:
>>
>>> what about specifying the repo as parameter, e.g.
>>>
>>> <map:generate src="jcr://...">
>>>  <map:parameter name="repo" value="..."/>
>>> </map:generate>
>>
>>
>>
>> Because this is a source, not a generator. The parameter would be a 
>> parameter to the generator.
> 
> 
> 
> ok. Well, I thought the generator could pass it on to the source, but I 
> guess I
> don't fully understand how it should work. Will try to figure it out.
> 
> But on the other hand I don't fully understand why Sylvan would like to use
> jcrX://... instead of jcr://X/... as Stefano suggested, which seems to make
> more sense.

same here.
The repository configuration could be done in the source configuration (.xconf) 
but I guess that Sylvain is aware of this ;-)

-- 
Reinhard Pötz           Independant Consultant, Trainer & (IT)-Coach 

{Software Engineering, Open Source, Web Applications, Apache Cocoon}

                                        web(log): http://www.poetz.cc
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Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Upayavira wrote:

> Michael Wechner wrote:
>
>> what about specifying the repo as parameter, e.g.
>>
>> <map:generate src="jcr://...">
>>  <map:parameter name="repo" value="..."/>
>> </map:generate>
>
>
> Because this is a source, not a generator. The parameter would be a 
> parameter to the generator.


ok. Well, I thought the generator could pass it on to the source, but I 
guess I
don't fully understand how it should work. Will try to figure it out.

But on the other hand I don't fully understand why Sylvan would like to use
jcrX://... instead of jcr://X/... as Stefano suggested, which seems to make
more sense.

Michi

>
> Regards, Upayavira
>
>


-- 
Michael Wechner
Wyona Inc.  -   Open Source Content Management   -   Apache Lenya
http://www.wyona.com                      http://lenya.apache.org
michael.wechner@wyona.com                        michi@apache.org


Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Upayavira <uv...@upaya.co.uk>.
Michael Wechner wrote:

> what about specifying the repo as parameter, e.g.
> 
> <map:generate src="jcr://...">
>  <map:parameter name="repo" value="..."/>
> </map:generate>

Because this is a source, not a generator. The parameter would be a 
parameter to the generator.

Regards, Upayavira


Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Sylvain Wallez wrote:

> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
>> Sylvain Wallez wrote:
>>
>>>> Will the scheme be named "jcr"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, but the scheme can be anything you want, especially as you may 
>>> use several repositories within the same webapp, and therefore use 
>>> "jcr1", "jcr2", etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
>>
>> Please, do jcr://repo/* instead!
>
>
>
> I thought about that, but I'm not sure it is the best as:
> - most apps will use a single repo
> - I'd like to provide "pure JCR" repos using JNDI and "pure 
> Jackrabbit" where the component config is or points to the Jackrabbit 
> config, and these will be different implementations of SourceFactory


what about specifying the repo as parameter, e.g.

<map:generate src="jcr://...">
  <map:parameter name="repo" value="..."/>
</map:generate>

whereas if not parameter is being specified a "default repo" is being used?

Michi


-- 
Michael Wechner
Wyona Inc.  -   Open Source Content Management   -   Apache Lenya
http://www.wyona.com                      http://lenya.apache.org
michael.wechner@wyona.com                        michi@apache.org


Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:

> Sylvain Wallez wrote:
>
>>> Will the scheme be named "jcr"?
>>
>>
>> Yes, but the scheme can be anything you want, especially as you may 
>> use several repositories within the same webapp, and therefore use 
>> "jcr1", "jcr2", etc.
>
>
> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
>
> Please, do jcr://repo/* instead!


I thought about that, but I'm not sure it is the best as:
- most apps will use a single repo
- I'd like to provide "pure JCR" repos using JNDI and "pure Jackrabbit" 
where the component config is or points to the Jackrabbit config, and 
these will be different implementations of SourceFactory

Sylvain

-- 
Sylvain Wallez                                  Anyware Technologies
http://www.apache.org/~sylvain           http://www.anyware-tech.com
{ XML, Java, Cocoon, OpenSource }*{ Training, Consulting, Projects }


Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Sylvain Wallez wrote:

>> Will the scheme be named "jcr"?
> 
> Yes, but the scheme can be anything you want, especially as you may use 
> several repositories within the same webapp, and therefore use "jcr1", 
> "jcr2", etc.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Please, do jcr://repo/* instead!

-- 
Stefano.


Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Sylvain Wallez wrote:

> Torsten Schlabach wrote:
>
>> Sylvain,
>>
>> >> I'm currently writing such a source ;-)
>>
>> Will it show up in a separate block in 2.2-dev soon?
>
>
>
> Yes. Maybe even 2.1, as I needed for a 2.1 project.


cool. I would be happy to help and testdrive when you will check in your 
stuff

Michi


-- 
Michael Wechner
Wyona Inc.  -   Open Source Content Management   -   Apache Lenya
http://www.wyona.com                      http://lenya.apache.org
michael.wechner@wyona.com                        michi@apache.org


Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org>.
Torsten Schlabach wrote:

> Sylvain,
>
> >> I'm currently writing such a source ;-)
>
> Will it show up in a separate block in 2.2-dev soon?


Yes. Maybe even 2.1, as I needed for a 2.1 project.

> Will the scheme be named "jcr"?


Yes, but the scheme can be anything you want, especially as you may use 
several repositories within the same webapp, and therefore use "jcr1", 
"jcr2", etc.

Sylvain

-- 
Sylvain Wallez                                  Anyware Technologies
http://www.apache.org/~sylvain           http://www.anyware-tech.com
{ XML, Java, Cocoon, OpenSource }*{ Training, Consulting, Projects }


Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Torsten Schlabach <ts...@apache.org>.
Sylvain,

 >> I'm currently writing such a source ;-)

Will it show up in a separate block in 2.2-dev soon?

Will the scheme be named "jcr"?

Regards,
Torsten

Sylvain Wallez schrieb:
> Torsten Schlabach wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> did anyone yet write any - maybe experimental - code for Cocoon to use 
>> a  repository through the JCR (aka JSR-170) API?
>>
>> I am thinking of an Avalon / Excalibur source (which is the right 
>> current term?) which would maybe implement a scheme, so I could write
>>
>> <map:generate src="jcr://..." />
> 
> 
> 
> I'm currently writing such a source ;-)
> 
> Sylvain
> 

Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Torsten Schlabach <ts...@apache.org>.
Sylvain,

>> I'm currently writing such a source ;-)
>> Sylvain

did you finish it yet?

Did not yet see anything in the SVN.

Regards,
Torsten


> Torsten Schlabach wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> did anyone yet write any - maybe experimental - code for Cocoon to use
>> a  repository through the JCR (aka JSR-170) API?
>>
>> I am thinking of an Avalon / Excalibur source (which is the right
>> current term?) which would maybe implement a scheme, so I could write
>>
>> <map:generate src="jcr://..." />
>
>
> I'm currently writing such a source ;-)
>
> Sylvain
>
> --
> Sylvain Wallez                                  Anyware Technologies
> http://www.apache.org/~sylvain           http://www.anyware-tech.com
> { XML, Java, Cocoon, OpenSource }*{ Training, Consulting, Projects }
>
>


Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org>.
Torsten Schlabach wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> did anyone yet write any - maybe experimental - code for Cocoon to use 
> a  repository through the JCR (aka JSR-170) API?
>
> I am thinking of an Avalon / Excalibur source (which is the right 
> current term?) which would maybe implement a scheme, so I could write
>
> <map:generate src="jcr://..." />


I'm currently writing such a source ;-)

Sylvain

-- 
Sylvain Wallez                                  Anyware Technologies
http://www.apache.org/~sylvain           http://www.anyware-tech.com
{ XML, Java, Cocoon, OpenSource }*{ Training, Consulting, Projects }


Re: Any JCR (JSR-170) scratchpad code for Cocoon yet?

Posted by Ralph Goers <Ra...@dslextreme.com>.
I was going to, but it turned out we could access the content via http.

Torsten Schlabach wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> did anyone yet write any - maybe experimental - code for Cocoon to use 
> a  repository through the JCR (aka JSR-170) API?
>
> I am thinking of an Avalon / Excalibur source (which is the right 
> current term?) which would maybe implement a scheme, so I could write
>
> <map:generate src="jcr://..." />
>
> Regards,
> Torsten