You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to users@tomcat.apache.org by Zoltan Balogh <Zo...@enghouse.com.INVALID> on 2023/06/08 15:32:35 UTC
Apache Tomcat 9.x end of life
Dear Apache Team,
I just would like to ask is there any planned EOL for Tomcat 9?
We are heavily using Java 8 that is supported until 2030, so we expect Apache Tomcat 9 will be also support while Java 8 is supported.
Important note that Tomcat 9 is the last release that works fine with Java 8 along with Java EE. Therefore, it is highly important for us to have a maintained Tomcat 9 for Java 8.
Thanks for your reply!
Kind Regards,
Zoltan Balogh
RE: Apache Tomcat 9.x end of life
Posted by Zoltan Balogh <Zo...@enghouse.com.INVALID>.
Great, and thanks a lot for sharing this information.
I totally agreee with you that involving the community in this discussion is very useful to see the demands.
Kind Regards,
Zoltan Balogh
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 6:18 PM
To: users@tomcat.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache Tomcat 9.x end of life
On 08/06/2023 16:32, Zoltan Balogh wrote:
> Dear Apache Team,
>
> I just would like to ask is there any planned EOL for Tomcat 9?
Best guess at the moment (and it is only a guess - no decisions have been made) is 3 years after 8.5.x is EOL which gives a date of 31 March 2027.
It is worth noting that Tomcat major versions track releases of the Jakarta Servlet specification and there has been an effort from the Jakarta project to increase the release cadence. Delays are also not unheard of. The estimate above could easily be a year out in either direction.
> We are heavily using Java 8 that is supported until 2030, so we expect Apache Tomcat 9 will be also support while Java 8 is supported.
That is extremely unlikely at this point.
> Important note that Tomcat 9 is the last release that works fine with Java 8 along with Java EE. Therefore, it is highly important for us to have a maintained Tomcat 9 for Java 8.
Once Tomcat 9.0.x reaches EOL we will provide, assuming there is demand, Tomcat 9.10.x which will be Tomcat 10.1.x but with the Java EE 8 API.
The minimum Java requirement for 9.10.x will be Java 11.
Once Tomcat 10.1.x reaches EOL we will provide Tomcat 9.11.x which would be Tomcat 11.0.x but with the Java EE 8 API.
And so on.
All our planning to date has assumed that the primary demand would be for the newer features (that require newer JREs) supported by newer Tomcat versions but with the Java EE 8 API. If that assumption is incorrect and the primary demand is for Tomcat 9.0.x that runs on Java 8 then it is possible that we could just keep supporting Tomcat 9.0.x.
Given that Tomcat 9.0.x will run quite happily on any currently supported version of Java (and should continue to do so) the EOL for Java 8 isn't really relevant to when we stop supporting Tomcat 9.0.x.
Any change in our plans for ongoing 9.0.x support would need some discussion. Input from the community would be especially useful.
Mark
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tomcat.apache.org
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Apache Tomcat 9.x end of life
Posted by "Osipov, Michael (SMD IT IN)" <mi...@siemens.com.INVALID>.
On 2023-06-08 18:17, Mark Thomas wrote:
> On 08/06/2023 16:32, Zoltan Balogh wrote:
>> Dear Apache Team,
>>
>> I just would like to ask is there any planned EOL for Tomcat 9?
>
> Best guess at the moment (and it is only a guess - no decisions have
> been made) is 3 years after 8.5.x is EOL which gives a date of 31 March
> 2027.
>
> It is worth noting that Tomcat major versions track releases of the
> Jakarta Servlet specification and there has been an effort from the
> Jakarta project to increase the release cadence. Delays are also not
> unheard of. The estimate above could easily be a year out in either
> direction.
>
>> We are heavily using Java 8 that is supported until 2030, so we expect
>> Apache Tomcat 9 will be also support while Java 8 is supported.
>
> That is extremely unlikely at this point.
>
>> Important note that Tomcat 9 is the last release that works fine with
>> Java 8 along with Java EE. Therefore, it is highly important for us to
>> have a maintained Tomcat 9 for Java 8.
>
> Once Tomcat 9.0.x reaches EOL we will provide, assuming there is demand,
> Tomcat 9.10.x which will be Tomcat 10.1.x but with the Java EE 8 API.
> The minimum Java requirement for 9.10.x will be Java 11.
>
> Once Tomcat 10.1.x reaches EOL we will provide Tomcat 9.11.x which would
> be Tomcat 11.0.x but with the Java EE 8 API.
I wonder to what extent this is necessary at all. Baseline is Java EE 8
and Java 8 and it should stay that way, I guess. If some code is back
ported, sure it needs to be refitted to Java 8 if necessary, otherwise
there would no more Java EE 8 capable container on Java 8. Moving to a
new Java version is one thing, but replacing namespaces is a completely
different one for people.
M
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Apache Tomcat 9.x end of life
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 08/06/2023 16:32, Zoltan Balogh wrote:
> Dear Apache Team,
>
> I just would like to ask is there any planned EOL for Tomcat 9?
Best guess at the moment (and it is only a guess - no decisions have
been made) is 3 years after 8.5.x is EOL which gives a date of 31 March
2027.
It is worth noting that Tomcat major versions track releases of the
Jakarta Servlet specification and there has been an effort from the
Jakarta project to increase the release cadence. Delays are also not
unheard of. The estimate above could easily be a year out in either
direction.
> We are heavily using Java 8 that is supported until 2030, so we expect Apache Tomcat 9 will be also support while Java 8 is supported.
That is extremely unlikely at this point.
> Important note that Tomcat 9 is the last release that works fine with Java 8 along with Java EE. Therefore, it is highly important for us to have a maintained Tomcat 9 for Java 8.
Once Tomcat 9.0.x reaches EOL we will provide, assuming there is demand,
Tomcat 9.10.x which will be Tomcat 10.1.x but with the Java EE 8 API.
The minimum Java requirement for 9.10.x will be Java 11.
Once Tomcat 10.1.x reaches EOL we will provide Tomcat 9.11.x which would
be Tomcat 11.0.x but with the Java EE 8 API.
And so on.
All our planning to date has assumed that the primary demand would be
for the newer features (that require newer JREs) supported by newer
Tomcat versions but with the Java EE 8 API. If that assumption is
incorrect and the primary demand is for Tomcat 9.0.x that runs on Java 8
then it is possible that we could just keep supporting Tomcat 9.0.x.
Given that Tomcat 9.0.x will run quite happily on any currently
supported version of Java (and should continue to do so) the EOL for
Java 8 isn't really relevant to when we stop supporting Tomcat 9.0.x.
Any change in our plans for ongoing 9.0.x support would need some
discussion. Input from the community would be especially useful.
Mark
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@tomcat.apache.org