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Posted to dev@ibatis.apache.org by Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> on 2006/09/21 19:58:44 UTC
Little Red Hen (Was: developer guide for Data Mapper 2.2 seems to be missing section numbering)
...This story has some interesting parallels to the Open Source Software
community...
The Story of Little Red Hen
==========================
Once there was a Little Red Hen who lived in a barnyard with her three
chicks and a duck, a pig and a cat.
One day the Little Red Hen found some grains of wheat. "Look look!" she
clucked. "Who will help me plant this wheat?"
"Not I", quaked the duck, and he waddled away.
"Not I", oinked the pig, and he trotted away.
"Not I, meowed the cat, and he padded away.
"Then I will plant it myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.
When the wheat was tall and golden, the Little Red Hen knew it was ready to
be cut. "Who will help me cut the wheat?" she asked.
"Not I," said the duck.
"Not I," said the pig.
"Not I," said the cat
"Then I will cut this wheat myself". And she did.
"Now", said the Little Red Hen, "it is time to take the wheat to the miller
so he can grind it into flour. Who will help me?"
"Not I," said the duck.
"Not I," said the pig.
"Not I," said the cat.
"Then I will take the wheat to the miller myself," said the Little Red Hen.
And she did.
The miller ground the wheat into fine white flour and put it into a sack for
the Little Red Hen.
When she returned to the barnyard, the Little Red Hen asked, "Who will help
me make this flour into dough?"
"Not I," said the duck, the pig and the cat all at once.
"Then I will make the dough myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.
When the dough was rready to go into the oven, the Little Red Hen asked,
"Who will help me bake the bread?"
"Not I," said the duck.
"Not I," said the pig.
"Not I," said the cat.
"Then I wll bake it myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.
Soon the bread was ready. As she took it from the oven, the Little Red Hen
asked, "Well who wil help me eat this warm, fresh bread?"
"I will," said the duck.
"I will," said the pig.
"I will," said the cat.
"No you won't," said the Little Red Hen. "You wouldn't help me plant the
seeds, cut the wheat, go to the miller, make the dough or bake the bread.
Now, my three chicks and I will eat this bread ourselves!"
And that's just what they did.
================
Cheers,
Clinton
On 9/21/06, Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Don't get us wrong Richard, we're not on your case. Your points are all
> valid, and we want to take them seriously.
>
> I want a solution that:
>
> - Improves the quality of our documentation
> - Improves the timeliness of our documentation
> - Improves community involvement
>
> >> my wife and baby need some love and attention too.
>
> Hehe...not all open source developers are single, university undergrads
> with all the time in the world. :-)
>
> I think Larry and Brandon and myself have 3 wives and 8 children among us
> (well, we don't share them or anything -- but Larry does live in Montana).
>
> So don't think you're unique or that we have any more time than you. Open
> Source is about sharing time to produce great software (and documentation).
>
>
> The story of Little Red Hen comes to mind (and makes a good bedtime story
> for our kids).
>
> Cheers,
> Clinton
>
>
> On 9/21/06, Richard Sullivan <it...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>Why haven't *you* added the section numbers?
> > Typical answer of an opensource geek. Sheesh I suddenly feel an urge
> > to write this friggin JDBC by hand after all. OK, if IBATIS works for
> > me I'll do the doc ;=) Just don't hold your breath - my wife and baby
> > need some love and attention too.
> > Now you guys check out the wiki/docbook thing and get off my case ;=)
> > R.
> >
>
>
Re: Little Red Hen (Was: developer guide for Data Mapper 2.2 seems to be missing section numbering)
Posted by Richard Sullivan <it...@gmail.com>.
1
1.1
1.1.1
1.1.2
2
2.1
2.2
2.3
OK they are the section numbers I promised to give you guys ;=)
I'll have a look at really doing them when my baby, wife and day-job
give me time ;=)
I love you too folks and that idea about sharing the wives might not
be all that bad either. I'll send you mine the next time she is in
bad humour !
Ciao,
Richard
Re: Little Red Hen (Was: developer guide for Data Mapper 2.2 seems to be missing section numbering)
Posted by Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com>.
Hey Richard, don't worry man. We love you.
Like I said, your questions and feedback are being taken very seriously and
have raised other interesting topics on the side. You're already a
contributor in our eyes.
Let us know how it goes.
Clinton
On 9/22/06, Richard Sullivan <it...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Guys I was just joking with the rant. You've got a great product and
> good documentation (even if it needs a bit of licking into shape).
> I've got the job at present of team leader to extend a project which
> contains thousands of lines of hard-coded JDBC. I'm in the process of
> evaluating whether to try to use IBATIS to make the extension cleaner
> (at the price of extra risk due to my unfamiliarity with IBATIS) or
> just creating more hand-coded brainless gunk to maintain. My
> customers management want NO risk but on the other hand the
> development staff would be delighted to have somebody introduce
> IBATIS. If the code works then the management are not ever going to
> look into how the new features were implemented, if it doesn't my
> reputation will suck.
>
> I've just discussed the issue with the other developers and we are
> going for it !
>
> I'm praying things go smoothly and I really do want to make an effort
> to pay back in some small way for the effort you guys have put into
> this great product. Just I can't promise a time frame.
>
> Hope I can contribute soon.
>
> Ciao,
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So it is a tough call!
> I've done some tests with IBATIS and it was fine but the project calls
> for some complex mappings so that could be risky for a newbie. I'm
> leaning to going the path of least resistance for the moment
> (continuing the hand-coded mess)
>
>
> On 9/21/06, Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...This story has some interesting parallels to the Open Source Software
> > community...
> >
> > The Story of Little Red Hen
> > ==========================
> >
> > Once there was a Little Red Hen who lived in a barnyard with her three
> > chicks and a duck, a pig and a cat.
> >
> > One day the Little Red Hen found some grains of wheat. "Look look!" she
> > clucked. "Who will help me plant this wheat?"
> >
> > "Not I", quaked the duck, and he waddled away.
> > "Not I", oinked the pig, and he trotted away.
> > "Not I, meowed the cat, and he padded away.
> >
> > "Then I will plant it myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.
> >
> > When the wheat was tall and golden, the Little Red Hen knew it was ready
> to
> > be cut. "Who will help me cut the wheat?" she asked.
> >
> > "Not I," said the duck.
> > "Not I," said the pig.
> > "Not I," said the cat
> >
> > "Then I will cut this wheat myself". And she did.
> >
> > "Now", said the Little Red Hen, "it is time to take the wheat to the
> miller
> > so he can grind it into flour. Who will help me?"
> >
> > "Not I," said the duck.
> > "Not I," said the pig.
> > "Not I," said the cat.
> >
> > "Then I will take the wheat to the miller myself," said the Little Red
> Hen.
> > And she did.
> >
> > The miller ground the wheat into fine white flour and put it into a sack
> for
> > the Little Red Hen.
> >
> > When she returned to the barnyard, the Little Red Hen asked, "Who will
> help
> > me make this flour into dough?"
> >
> > "Not I," said the duck, the pig and the cat all at once.
> >
> > "Then I will make the dough myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she
> did.
> >
> > When the dough was rready to go into the oven, the Little Red Hen asked,
> > "Who will help me bake the bread?"
> >
> > "Not I," said the duck.
> > "Not I," said the pig.
> > "Not I," said the cat.
> >
> > "Then I wll bake it myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.
> >
> > Soon the bread was ready. As she took it from the oven, the Little Red
> Hen
> > asked, "Well who wil help me eat this warm, fresh bread?"
> >
> > "I will," said the duck.
> > "I will," said the pig.
> > "I will," said the cat.
> >
> > "No you won't," said the Little Red Hen. "You wouldn't help me plant the
> > seeds, cut the wheat, go to the miller, make the dough or bake the
> bread.
> > Now, my three chicks and I will eat this bread ourselves!"
> >
> > And that's just what they did.
> >
> > ================
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Clinton
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/21/06, Clinton Begin < clinton.begin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't get us wrong Richard, we're not on your case. Your points are
> all
> > valid, and we want to take them seriously.
> > >
> > > I want a solution that:
> > >
> > >
> > > Improves the quality of our documentation
> > > Improves the timeliness of our documentation
> > > Improves community involvement>> my wife and baby need some love and
> > attention too.
> > >
> > > Hehe...not all open source developers are single, university
> undergrads
> > with all the time in the world. :-)
> > >
> > > I think Larry and Brandon and myself have 3 wives and 8 children among
> us
> > (well, we don't share them or anything -- but Larry does live in
> Montana).
> > >
> > > So don't think you're unique or that we have any more time than
> you. Open
> > Source is about sharing time to produce great software (and
> documentation).
> > >
> > > The story of Little Red Hen comes to mind (and makes a good bedtime
> story
> > for our kids).
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Clinton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/21/06, Richard Sullivan <it...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>Why haven't *you* added the section numbers?
> > > > Typical answer of an opensource geek. Sheesh I suddenly feel an
> urge
> > > > to write this friggin JDBC by hand after all. OK, if IBATIS works
> for
> > > > me I'll do the doc ;=) Just don't hold your breath - my wife and
> baby
> > > > need some love and attention too.
> > > > Now you guys check out the wiki/docbook thing and get off my case
> ;=)
> > > > R.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Re: Little Red Hen (Was: developer guide for Data Mapper 2.2 seems to be missing section numbering)
Posted by Jeff Butler <je...@gmail.com>.
WE are the gods of open source - only WE are allowed to make jokes. :) (BTW
- it seemed clear to me that it was a joke, and this is a joke too)
Good luck with iBATIS - I think you'll be happy with the decision.
Jeff Butler
On 9/22/06, Richard Sullivan <it...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Guys I was just joking with the rant. You've got a great product and
> good documentation (even if it needs a bit of licking into shape).
> I've got the job at present of team leader to extend a project which
> contains thousands of lines of hard-coded JDBC. I'm in the process of
> evaluating whether to try to use IBATIS to make the extension cleaner
> (at the price of extra risk due to my unfamiliarity with IBATIS) or
> just creating more hand-coded brainless gunk to maintain. My
> customers management want NO risk but on the other hand the
> development staff would be delighted to have somebody introduce
> IBATIS. If the code works then the management are not ever going to
> look into how the new features were implemented, if it doesn't my
> reputation will suck.
>
> I've just discussed the issue with the other developers and we are
> going for it !
>
> I'm praying things go smoothly and I really do want to make an effort
> to pay back in some small way for the effort you guys have put into
> this great product. Just I can't promise a time frame.
>
> Hope I can contribute soon.
>
> Ciao,
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So it is a tough call!
> I've done some tests with IBATIS and it was fine but the project calls
> for some complex mappings so that could be risky for a newbie. I'm
> leaning to going the path of least resistance for the moment
> (continuing the hand-coded mess)
>
>
> On 9/21/06, Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...This story has some interesting parallels to the Open Source Software
> > community...
> >
> > The Story of Little Red Hen
> > ==========================
> >
> > Once there was a Little Red Hen who lived in a barnyard with her three
> > chicks and a duck, a pig and a cat.
> >
> > One day the Little Red Hen found some grains of wheat. "Look look!" she
> > clucked. "Who will help me plant this wheat?"
> >
> > "Not I", quaked the duck, and he waddled away.
> > "Not I", oinked the pig, and he trotted away.
> > "Not I, meowed the cat, and he padded away.
> >
> > "Then I will plant it myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.
> >
> > When the wheat was tall and golden, the Little Red Hen knew it was ready
> to
> > be cut. "Who will help me cut the wheat?" she asked.
> >
> > "Not I," said the duck.
> > "Not I," said the pig.
> > "Not I," said the cat
> >
> > "Then I will cut this wheat myself". And she did.
> >
> > "Now", said the Little Red Hen, "it is time to take the wheat to the
> miller
> > so he can grind it into flour. Who will help me?"
> >
> > "Not I," said the duck.
> > "Not I," said the pig.
> > "Not I," said the cat.
> >
> > "Then I will take the wheat to the miller myself," said the Little Red
> Hen.
> > And she did.
> >
> > The miller ground the wheat into fine white flour and put it into a sack
> for
> > the Little Red Hen.
> >
> > When she returned to the barnyard, the Little Red Hen asked, "Who will
> help
> > me make this flour into dough?"
> >
> > "Not I," said the duck, the pig and the cat all at once.
> >
> > "Then I will make the dough myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she
> did.
> >
> > When the dough was rready to go into the oven, the Little Red Hen asked,
> > "Who will help me bake the bread?"
> >
> > "Not I," said the duck.
> > "Not I," said the pig.
> > "Not I," said the cat.
> >
> > "Then I wll bake it myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.
> >
> > Soon the bread was ready. As she took it from the oven, the Little Red
> Hen
> > asked, "Well who wil help me eat this warm, fresh bread?"
> >
> > "I will," said the duck.
> > "I will," said the pig.
> > "I will," said the cat.
> >
> > "No you won't," said the Little Red Hen. "You wouldn't help me plant the
> > seeds, cut the wheat, go to the miller, make the dough or bake the
> bread.
> > Now, my three chicks and I will eat this bread ourselves!"
> >
> > And that's just what they did.
> >
> > ================
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Clinton
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/21/06, Clinton Begin < clinton.begin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't get us wrong Richard, we're not on your case. Your points are
> all
> > valid, and we want to take them seriously.
> > >
> > > I want a solution that:
> > >
> > >
> > > Improves the quality of our documentation
> > > Improves the timeliness of our documentation
> > > Improves community involvement>> my wife and baby need some love and
> > attention too.
> > >
> > > Hehe...not all open source developers are single, university
> undergrads
> > with all the time in the world. :-)
> > >
> > > I think Larry and Brandon and myself have 3 wives and 8 children among
> us
> > (well, we don't share them or anything -- but Larry does live in
> Montana).
> > >
> > > So don't think you're unique or that we have any more time than
> you. Open
> > Source is about sharing time to produce great software (and
> documentation).
> > >
> > > The story of Little Red Hen comes to mind (and makes a good bedtime
> story
> > for our kids).
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Clinton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/21/06, Richard Sullivan <it...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>Why haven't *you* added the section numbers?
> > > > Typical answer of an opensource geek. Sheesh I suddenly feel an
> urge
> > > > to write this friggin JDBC by hand after all. OK, if IBATIS works
> for
> > > > me I'll do the doc ;=) Just don't hold your breath - my wife and
> baby
> > > > need some love and attention too.
> > > > Now you guys check out the wiki/docbook thing and get off my case
> ;=)
> > > > R.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Re: Little Red Hen (Was: developer guide for Data Mapper 2.2 seems to be missing section numbering)
Posted by Brandon Goodin <br...@gmail.com>.
Remember that iBATIS fits well into a "Straight JDBC"/"iBATIS" hybrid. So,
if you run into anything that iBATIS can't/shouldn't handle you can/should
utilize JDBC. On top of that we are always here to help you.
"I really do want to make an effort to pay back in some small way"
Payments can be made with Check or Visa. Make checks payable to my name ;-)
Brandon Goodin
On 9/22/06, Richard Sullivan <it...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Guys I was just joking with the rant. You've got a great product and
> good documentation (even if it needs a bit of licking into shape).
> I've got the job at present of team leader to extend a project which
> contains thousands of lines of hard-coded JDBC. I'm in the process of
> evaluating whether to try to use IBATIS to make the extension cleaner
> (at the price of extra risk due to my unfamiliarity with IBATIS) or
> just creating more hand-coded brainless gunk to maintain. My
> customers management want NO risk but on the other hand the
> development staff would be delighted to have somebody introduce
> IBATIS. If the code works then the management are not ever going to
> look into how the new features were implemented, if it doesn't my
> reputation will suck.
>
> I've just discussed the issue with the other developers and we are
> going for it !
>
> I'm praying things go smoothly and I really do want to make an effort
> to pay back in some small way for the effort you guys have put into
> this great product. Just I can't promise a time frame.
>
> Hope I can contribute soon.
>
> Ciao,
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So it is a tough call!
> I've done some tests with IBATIS and it was fine but the project calls
> for some complex mappings so that could be risky for a newbie. I'm
> leaning to going the path of least resistance for the moment
> (continuing the hand-coded mess)
>
>
> On 9/21/06, Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...This story has some interesting parallels to the Open Source Software
> > community...
> >
> > The Story of Little Red Hen
> > ==========================
> >
> > Once there was a Little Red Hen who lived in a barnyard with her three
> > chicks and a duck, a pig and a cat.
> >
> > One day the Little Red Hen found some grains of wheat. "Look look!" she
> > clucked. "Who will help me plant this wheat?"
> >
> > "Not I", quaked the duck, and he waddled away.
> > "Not I", oinked the pig, and he trotted away.
> > "Not I, meowed the cat, and he padded away.
> >
> > "Then I will plant it myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.
> >
> > When the wheat was tall and golden, the Little Red Hen knew it was ready
> to
> > be cut. "Who will help me cut the wheat?" she asked.
> >
> > "Not I," said the duck.
> > "Not I," said the pig.
> > "Not I," said the cat
> >
> > "Then I will cut this wheat myself". And she did.
> >
> > "Now", said the Little Red Hen, "it is time to take the wheat to the
> miller
> > so he can grind it into flour. Who will help me?"
> >
> > "Not I," said the duck.
> > "Not I," said the pig.
> > "Not I," said the cat.
> >
> > "Then I will take the wheat to the miller myself," said the Little Red
> Hen.
> > And she did.
> >
> > The miller ground the wheat into fine white flour and put it into a sack
> for
> > the Little Red Hen.
> >
> > When she returned to the barnyard, the Little Red Hen asked, "Who will
> help
> > me make this flour into dough?"
> >
> > "Not I," said the duck, the pig and the cat all at once.
> >
> > "Then I will make the dough myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she
> did.
> >
> > When the dough was rready to go into the oven, the Little Red Hen asked,
> > "Who will help me bake the bread?"
> >
> > "Not I," said the duck.
> > "Not I," said the pig.
> > "Not I," said the cat.
> >
> > "Then I wll bake it myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.
> >
> > Soon the bread was ready. As she took it from the oven, the Little Red
> Hen
> > asked, "Well who wil help me eat this warm, fresh bread?"
> >
> > "I will," said the duck.
> > "I will," said the pig.
> > "I will," said the cat.
> >
> > "No you won't," said the Little Red Hen. "You wouldn't help me plant the
> > seeds, cut the wheat, go to the miller, make the dough or bake the
> bread.
> > Now, my three chicks and I will eat this bread ourselves!"
> >
> > And that's just what they did.
> >
> > ================
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Clinton
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/21/06, Clinton Begin < clinton.begin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't get us wrong Richard, we're not on your case. Your points are
> all
> > valid, and we want to take them seriously.
> > >
> > > I want a solution that:
> > >
> > >
> > > Improves the quality of our documentation
> > > Improves the timeliness of our documentation
> > > Improves community involvement>> my wife and baby need some love and
> > attention too.
> > >
> > > Hehe...not all open source developers are single, university
> undergrads
> > with all the time in the world. :-)
> > >
> > > I think Larry and Brandon and myself have 3 wives and 8 children among
> us
> > (well, we don't share them or anything -- but Larry does live in
> Montana).
> > >
> > > So don't think you're unique or that we have any more time than
> you. Open
> > Source is about sharing time to produce great software (and
> documentation).
> > >
> > > The story of Little Red Hen comes to mind (and makes a good bedtime
> story
> > for our kids).
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Clinton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/21/06, Richard Sullivan <it...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>Why haven't *you* added the section numbers?
> > > > Typical answer of an opensource geek. Sheesh I suddenly feel an
> urge
> > > > to write this friggin JDBC by hand after all. OK, if IBATIS works
> for
> > > > me I'll do the doc ;=) Just don't hold your breath - my wife and
> baby
> > > > need some love and attention too.
> > > > Now you guys check out the wiki/docbook thing and get off my case
> ;=)
> > > > R.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Re: Little Red Hen (Was: developer guide for Data Mapper 2.2 seems to be missing section numbering)
Posted by Richard Sullivan <it...@gmail.com>.
Guys I was just joking with the rant. You've got a great product and
good documentation (even if it needs a bit of licking into shape).
I've got the job at present of team leader to extend a project which
contains thousands of lines of hard-coded JDBC. I'm in the process of
evaluating whether to try to use IBATIS to make the extension cleaner
(at the price of extra risk due to my unfamiliarity with IBATIS) or
just creating more hand-coded brainless gunk to maintain. My
customers management want NO risk but on the other hand the
development staff would be delighted to have somebody introduce
IBATIS. If the code works then the management are not ever going to
look into how the new features were implemented, if it doesn't my
reputation will suck.
I've just discussed the issue with the other developers and we are
going for it !
I'm praying things go smoothly and I really do want to make an effort
to pay back in some small way for the effort you guys have put into
this great product. Just I can't promise a time frame.
Hope I can contribute soon.
Ciao,
Richard
So it is a tough call!
I've done some tests with IBATIS and it was fine but the project calls
for some complex mappings so that could be risky for a newbie. I'm
leaning to going the path of least resistance for the moment
(continuing the hand-coded mess)
On 9/21/06, Clinton Begin <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...This story has some interesting parallels to the Open Source Software
> community...
>
> The Story of Little Red Hen
> ==========================
>
> Once there was a Little Red Hen who lived in a barnyard with her three
> chicks and a duck, a pig and a cat.
>
> One day the Little Red Hen found some grains of wheat. "Look look!" she
> clucked. "Who will help me plant this wheat?"
>
> "Not I", quaked the duck, and he waddled away.
> "Not I", oinked the pig, and he trotted away.
> "Not I, meowed the cat, and he padded away.
>
> "Then I will plant it myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.
>
> When the wheat was tall and golden, the Little Red Hen knew it was ready to
> be cut. "Who will help me cut the wheat?" she asked.
>
> "Not I," said the duck.
> "Not I," said the pig.
> "Not I," said the cat
>
> "Then I will cut this wheat myself". And she did.
>
> "Now", said the Little Red Hen, "it is time to take the wheat to the miller
> so he can grind it into flour. Who will help me?"
>
> "Not I," said the duck.
> "Not I," said the pig.
> "Not I," said the cat.
>
> "Then I will take the wheat to the miller myself," said the Little Red Hen.
> And she did.
>
> The miller ground the wheat into fine white flour and put it into a sack for
> the Little Red Hen.
>
> When she returned to the barnyard, the Little Red Hen asked, "Who will help
> me make this flour into dough?"
>
> "Not I," said the duck, the pig and the cat all at once.
>
> "Then I will make the dough myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.
>
> When the dough was rready to go into the oven, the Little Red Hen asked,
> "Who will help me bake the bread?"
>
> "Not I," said the duck.
> "Not I," said the pig.
> "Not I," said the cat.
>
> "Then I wll bake it myself," said the Little Red Hen. And she did.
>
> Soon the bread was ready. As she took it from the oven, the Little Red Hen
> asked, "Well who wil help me eat this warm, fresh bread?"
>
> "I will," said the duck.
> "I will," said the pig.
> "I will," said the cat.
>
> "No you won't," said the Little Red Hen. "You wouldn't help me plant the
> seeds, cut the wheat, go to the miller, make the dough or bake the bread.
> Now, my three chicks and I will eat this bread ourselves!"
>
> And that's just what they did.
>
> ================
>
> Cheers,
> Clinton
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/21/06, Clinton Begin < clinton.begin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Don't get us wrong Richard, we're not on your case. Your points are all
> valid, and we want to take them seriously.
> >
> > I want a solution that:
> >
> >
> > Improves the quality of our documentation
> > Improves the timeliness of our documentation
> > Improves community involvement>> my wife and baby need some love and
> attention too.
> >
> > Hehe...not all open source developers are single, university undergrads
> with all the time in the world. :-)
> >
> > I think Larry and Brandon and myself have 3 wives and 8 children among us
> (well, we don't share them or anything -- but Larry does live in Montana).
> >
> > So don't think you're unique or that we have any more time than you. Open
> Source is about sharing time to produce great software (and documentation).
> >
> > The story of Little Red Hen comes to mind (and makes a good bedtime story
> for our kids).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Clinton
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/21/06, Richard Sullivan <it...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >>Why haven't *you* added the section numbers?
> > > Typical answer of an opensource geek. Sheesh I suddenly feel an urge
> > > to write this friggin JDBC by hand after all. OK, if IBATIS works for
> > > me I'll do the doc ;=) Just don't hold your breath - my wife and baby
> > > need some love and attention too.
> > > Now you guys check out the wiki/docbook thing and get off my case ;=)
> > > R.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>