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Posted to dev@harmony.apache.org by Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com> on 2007/10/03 11:27:41 UTC
[site] update Quick Help for Contributors (the building instructions)
Hi,
I decided to update the Quick Help for Contributors page [1] and posted a
patch to JIRA 4893 [2]. I only changed the wording in some places to switch
accents. you're welcome to review the patch and submit your comments.
if somebody could read / test the latest Quick Help page and let me know if
there are any technical discrepancies, i'd be very thankful. i guess the
prerequisites part may be out of date or incomplete. for example: do we
actually need MS VS 2003? Do we need the Pro version only, or can users
download a free Express Edition and be done? What about compilers? Will the
MS VS built-in compiler be enough or do we need an external compiler, like
Intel's 9.0?
[1] http://harmony.apache.org/quickhelp_contributors.html
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4893
--
Cheers,
Nadya
Re: [site] update Quick Help for Contributors (the building instructions)
Posted by Sian January <si...@googlemail.com>.
Thanks for updating us Alexei - I hadn't realised there were problems with
1.7.
On 03/10/2007, Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Ant 1.6.5 or higher" to "Ant 1.6.5"? Is there a problem with later
> > > versions of Ant?
> > Yes, Alexei Fedotov mentioned to me that higher versions are not
> currently
> > supported. I suggest asking again to reconfirm.
>
> Well, in general Ant 1.7 is ok if you are working on classlib only.
> I'm using it currently in my daily work for example. However, if you
> are committing something to DRLVM workspace you need to run DRLVM
> acceptance tests. And it is a problem with ant 1.7 - IIRC I
> encountered some strange errors while trying to run it on recent
> versions of ant. Looks like the current DRLVM build system is closely
> connected with ant 1.6.5 .
>
> Regards,
> Alexei
>
> 2007/10/3, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>:
> > On 10/3/07, Sian January <si...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Nadya,
> > >
> > > Your patch looks good - it definitely makes sense to change the tense
> for
> > > that page, it reads a lot more easily now. It's really helpful to
> have
> > > numbered sections too.
> >
> >
> > If you like it, I can commit and we shall see how people react.
> >
> > Just a small point, but I wondered why you changed
> > > "Ant 1.6.5 or higher" to "Ant 1.6.5"? Is there a problem with later
> > > versions of Ant?
> >
> >
> > Yes, Alexei Fedotov mentioned to me that higher versions are not
> currently
> > supported. I suggest asking again to reconfirm.
> >
> > I think we do still need Visual Studio 2003 (which includes the compiler
> so
> > > you don't need another one) but I'm happy to be corrected on this.
> >
> >
> > Ok, so additional compilers are optional. Let's check on the list and
> then
> > change the page's wording.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Sian
> > >
> > >
> > > On 03/10/2007, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I decided to update the Quick Help for Contributors page [1] and
> posted
> > > a
> > > > patch to JIRA 4893 [2]. I only changed the wording in some places to
> > > > switch
> > > > accents. you're welcome to review the patch and submit your
> comments.
> > > >
> > > > if somebody could read / test the latest Quick Help page and let me
> know
> > > > if
> > > > there are any technical discrepancies, i'd be very thankful. i guess
> the
> > > > prerequisites part may be out of date or incomplete. for example: do
> we
> > > > actually need MS VS 2003? Do we need the Pro version only, or can
> users
> > > > download a free Express Edition and be done? What about compilers?
> Will
> > > > the
> > > > MS VS built-in compiler be enough or do we need an external
> compiler,
> > > like
> > > > Intel's 9.0?
> > > >
> > > > [1] http://harmony.apache.org/quickhelp_contributors.html
> > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4893
>
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Re: [site] update Quick Help for Contributors (the building instructions)
Posted by Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com>.
> could you please also clarify the MS Visual Studio dependency? Do we only
> only support 2003, professional? What about express edition, about 2005?
AFAIK we support VS 2003 on Win32 and VS 2005 on Win64. And that's that.
However, my information can be outdated already.
Alexei
2007/10/4, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>:
> Ok, thanks.
> I re-added the "or later" amendment to the Apache Ant required version. I
> also changed the wording of compilers for windows slightly (because MS VS
> built-in compiler should be enough, other compilers appear optional).
>
> could you please also clarify the MS Visual Studio dependency? Do we only
> only support 2003, professional? What about express edition, about 2005?
>
> I'd also rely on somebody from DRLVM engineers to submit a JIRA for Ant
> 1.6.5 dependency with all required detail.
>
> cheers, Nadya
>
> On 10/4/07, Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 4 October 2007 at 11:51, "Alexey Varlamov" <al...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > 2007/10/3, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>:
> > > > Alexei,
> > > > thanks for clarification.
> > > >
> > > > i think it's ok to make the following statement in the doc:
> > > >
> > > > - Apache Ant 1.6.5 (a higher version can be used only for class
> > libraries)
> > >
> > > I'd suggest we file a JIRA against DRLVM if there is a problem
> > > (still), and leave this as "Ant 1.6.5 or higher". I don't think we
> > > need to jam this intro with transient issues (btw it could encourage
> > > someone to ask on dev@ ;) ).
> >
> > +1, this issue will occur more and more as ant 1.6.5 becomes more dated
> > so we might as well resolve it now (well, after m3 ;-).
> >
> > -Mark.
Re: [site] update Quick Help for Contributors (the building instructions)
Posted by Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>.
Ok, thanks.
I re-added the "or later" amendment to the Apache Ant required version. I
also changed the wording of compilers for windows slightly (because MS VS
built-in compiler should be enough, other compilers appear optional).
could you please also clarify the MS Visual Studio dependency? Do we only
only support 2003, professional? What about express edition, about 2005?
I'd also rely on somebody from DRLVM engineers to submit a JIRA for Ant
1.6.5 dependency with all required detail.
cheers, Nadya
On 10/4/07, Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4 October 2007 at 11:51, "Alexey Varlamov" <al...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > 2007/10/3, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>:
> > > Alexei,
> > > thanks for clarification.
> > >
> > > i think it's ok to make the following statement in the doc:
> > >
> > > - Apache Ant 1.6.5 (a higher version can be used only for class
> libraries)
> >
> > I'd suggest we file a JIRA against DRLVM if there is a problem
> > (still), and leave this as "Ant 1.6.5 or higher". I don't think we
> > need to jam this intro with transient issues (btw it could encourage
> > someone to ask on dev@ ;) ).
>
> +1, this issue will occur more and more as ant 1.6.5 becomes more dated
> so we might as well resolve it now (well, after m3 ;-).
>
> -Mark.
>
>
>
--
Cheers,
Nadya
Re: [site] update Quick Help for Contributors (the building instructions)
Posted by Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>.
On 4 October 2007 at 11:51, "Alexey Varlamov" <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2007/10/3, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>:
> > Alexei,
> > thanks for clarification.
> >
> > i think it's ok to make the following statement in the doc:
> >
> > - Apache Ant 1.6.5 (a higher version can be used only for class libraries)
>
> I'd suggest we file a JIRA against DRLVM if there is a problem
> (still), and leave this as "Ant 1.6.5 or higher". I don't think we
> need to jam this intro with transient issues (btw it could encourage
> someone to ask on dev@ ;) ).
+1, this issue will occur more and more as ant 1.6.5 becomes more dated
so we might as well resolve it now (well, after m3 ;-).
-Mark.
Re: [site] update Quick Help for Contributors (the building instructions)
Posted by Alexey Varlamov <al...@gmail.com>.
2007/10/3, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>:
> Alexei,
> thanks for clarification.
>
> i think it's ok to make the following statement in the doc:
>
> - Apache Ant 1.6.5 (a higher version can be used only for class libraries)
I'd suggest we file a JIRA against DRLVM if there is a problem
(still), and leave this as "Ant 1.6.5 or higher". I don't think we
need to jam this intro with transient issues (btw it could encourage
someone to ask on dev@ ;) ).
>
> On 10/3/07, Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > "Ant 1.6.5 or higher" to "Ant 1.6.5"? Is there a problem with later
> > > > versions of Ant?
> > > Yes, Alexei Fedotov mentioned to me that higher versions are not
> > currently
> > > supported. I suggest asking again to reconfirm.
> >
> > Well, in general Ant 1.7 is ok if you are working on classlib only.
> > I'm using it currently in my daily work for example. However, if you
> > are committing something to DRLVM workspace you need to run DRLVM
> > acceptance tests. And it is a problem with ant 1.7 - IIRC I
> > encountered some strange errors while trying to run it on recent
> > versions of ant. Looks like the current DRLVM build system is closely
> > connected with ant 1.6.5 .
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alexei
> >
> > 2007/10/3, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>:
> > > On 10/3/07, Sian January <si...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Nadya,
> > > >
> > > > Your patch looks good - it definitely makes sense to change the tense
> > for
> > > > that page, it reads a lot more easily now. It's really helpful to
> > have
> > > > numbered sections too.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you like it, I can commit and we shall see how people react.
> > >
> > > Just a small point, but I wondered why you changed
> > > > "Ant 1.6.5 or higher" to "Ant 1.6.5"? Is there a problem with later
> > > > versions of Ant?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, Alexei Fedotov mentioned to me that higher versions are not
> > currently
> > > supported. I suggest asking again to reconfirm.
> > >
> > > I think we do still need Visual Studio 2003 (which includes the compiler
> > so
> > > > you don't need another one) but I'm happy to be corrected on this.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok, so additional compilers are optional. Let's check on the list and
> > then
> > > change the page's wording.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Sian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 03/10/2007, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > I decided to update the Quick Help for Contributors page [1] and
> > posted
> > > > a
> > > > > patch to JIRA 4893 [2]. I only changed the wording in some places to
> > > > > switch
> > > > > accents. you're welcome to review the patch and submit your
> > comments.
> > > > >
> > > > > if somebody could read / test the latest Quick Help page and let me
> > know
> > > > > if
> > > > > there are any technical discrepancies, i'd be very thankful. i guess
> > the
> > > > > prerequisites part may be out of date or incomplete. for example: do
> > we
> > > > > actually need MS VS 2003? Do we need the Pro version only, or can
> > users
> > > > > download a free Express Edition and be done? What about compilers?
> > Will
> > > > > the
> > > > > MS VS built-in compiler be enough or do we need an external
> > compiler,
> > > > like
> > > > > Intel's 9.0?
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] http://harmony.apache.org/quickhelp_contributors.html
> > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4893
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Nadya
>
Re: [site] update Quick Help for Contributors (the building instructions)
Posted by Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>.
Alexei,
thanks for clarification.
i think it's ok to make the following statement in the doc:
- Apache Ant 1.6.5 (a higher version can be used only for class libraries)
On 10/3/07, Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Ant 1.6.5 or higher" to "Ant 1.6.5"? Is there a problem with later
> > > versions of Ant?
> > Yes, Alexei Fedotov mentioned to me that higher versions are not
> currently
> > supported. I suggest asking again to reconfirm.
>
> Well, in general Ant 1.7 is ok if you are working on classlib only.
> I'm using it currently in my daily work for example. However, if you
> are committing something to DRLVM workspace you need to run DRLVM
> acceptance tests. And it is a problem with ant 1.7 - IIRC I
> encountered some strange errors while trying to run it on recent
> versions of ant. Looks like the current DRLVM build system is closely
> connected with ant 1.6.5 .
>
> Regards,
> Alexei
>
> 2007/10/3, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>:
> > On 10/3/07, Sian January <si...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Nadya,
> > >
> > > Your patch looks good - it definitely makes sense to change the tense
> for
> > > that page, it reads a lot more easily now. It's really helpful to
> have
> > > numbered sections too.
> >
> >
> > If you like it, I can commit and we shall see how people react.
> >
> > Just a small point, but I wondered why you changed
> > > "Ant 1.6.5 or higher" to "Ant 1.6.5"? Is there a problem with later
> > > versions of Ant?
> >
> >
> > Yes, Alexei Fedotov mentioned to me that higher versions are not
> currently
> > supported. I suggest asking again to reconfirm.
> >
> > I think we do still need Visual Studio 2003 (which includes the compiler
> so
> > > you don't need another one) but I'm happy to be corrected on this.
> >
> >
> > Ok, so additional compilers are optional. Let's check on the list and
> then
> > change the page's wording.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Sian
> > >
> > >
> > > On 03/10/2007, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I decided to update the Quick Help for Contributors page [1] and
> posted
> > > a
> > > > patch to JIRA 4893 [2]. I only changed the wording in some places to
> > > > switch
> > > > accents. you're welcome to review the patch and submit your
> comments.
> > > >
> > > > if somebody could read / test the latest Quick Help page and let me
> know
> > > > if
> > > > there are any technical discrepancies, i'd be very thankful. i guess
> the
> > > > prerequisites part may be out of date or incomplete. for example: do
> we
> > > > actually need MS VS 2003? Do we need the Pro version only, or can
> users
> > > > download a free Express Edition and be done? What about compilers?
> Will
> > > > the
> > > > MS VS built-in compiler be enough or do we need an external
> compiler,
> > > like
> > > > Intel's 9.0?
> > > >
> > > > [1] http://harmony.apache.org/quickhelp_contributors.html
> > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4893
>
--
Cheers,
Nadya
Re: [site] update Quick Help for Contributors (the building instructions)
Posted by Alexei Zakharov <al...@gmail.com>.
> > "Ant 1.6.5 or higher" to "Ant 1.6.5"? Is there a problem with later
> > versions of Ant?
> Yes, Alexei Fedotov mentioned to me that higher versions are not currently
> supported. I suggest asking again to reconfirm.
Well, in general Ant 1.7 is ok if you are working on classlib only.
I'm using it currently in my daily work for example. However, if you
are committing something to DRLVM workspace you need to run DRLVM
acceptance tests. And it is a problem with ant 1.7 - IIRC I
encountered some strange errors while trying to run it on recent
versions of ant. Looks like the current DRLVM build system is closely
connected with ant 1.6.5 .
Regards,
Alexei
2007/10/3, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>:
> On 10/3/07, Sian January <si...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Nadya,
> >
> > Your patch looks good - it definitely makes sense to change the tense for
> > that page, it reads a lot more easily now. It's really helpful to have
> > numbered sections too.
>
>
> If you like it, I can commit and we shall see how people react.
>
> Just a small point, but I wondered why you changed
> > "Ant 1.6.5 or higher" to "Ant 1.6.5"? Is there a problem with later
> > versions of Ant?
>
>
> Yes, Alexei Fedotov mentioned to me that higher versions are not currently
> supported. I suggest asking again to reconfirm.
>
> I think we do still need Visual Studio 2003 (which includes the compiler so
> > you don't need another one) but I'm happy to be corrected on this.
>
>
> Ok, so additional compilers are optional. Let's check on the list and then
> change the page's wording.
>
> Thanks,
> >
> > Sian
> >
> >
> > On 03/10/2007, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > I decided to update the Quick Help for Contributors page [1] and posted
> > a
> > > patch to JIRA 4893 [2]. I only changed the wording in some places to
> > > switch
> > > accents. you're welcome to review the patch and submit your comments.
> > >
> > > if somebody could read / test the latest Quick Help page and let me know
> > > if
> > > there are any technical discrepancies, i'd be very thankful. i guess the
> > > prerequisites part may be out of date or incomplete. for example: do we
> > > actually need MS VS 2003? Do we need the Pro version only, or can users
> > > download a free Express Edition and be done? What about compilers? Will
> > > the
> > > MS VS built-in compiler be enough or do we need an external compiler,
> > like
> > > Intel's 9.0?
> > >
> > > [1] http://harmony.apache.org/quickhelp_contributors.html
> > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4893
Re: [site] update Quick Help for Contributors (the building instructions)
Posted by Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com>.
On 10/3/07, Sian January <si...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Nadya,
>
> Your patch looks good - it definitely makes sense to change the tense for
> that page, it reads a lot more easily now. It's really helpful to have
> numbered sections too.
If you like it, I can commit and we shall see how people react.
Just a small point, but I wondered why you changed
> "Ant 1.6.5 or higher" to "Ant 1.6.5"? Is there a problem with later
> versions of Ant?
Yes, Alexei Fedotov mentioned to me that higher versions are not currently
supported. I suggest asking again to reconfirm.
I think we do still need Visual Studio 2003 (which includes the compiler so
> you don't need another one) but I'm happy to be corrected on this.
Ok, so additional compilers are optional. Let's check on the list and then
change the page's wording.
Thanks,
>
> Sian
>
>
> On 03/10/2007, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I decided to update the Quick Help for Contributors page [1] and posted
> a
> > patch to JIRA 4893 [2]. I only changed the wording in some places to
> > switch
> > accents. you're welcome to review the patch and submit your comments.
> >
> > if somebody could read / test the latest Quick Help page and let me know
> > if
> > there are any technical discrepancies, i'd be very thankful. i guess the
> > prerequisites part may be out of date or incomplete. for example: do we
> > actually need MS VS 2003? Do we need the Pro version only, or can users
> > download a free Express Edition and be done? What about compilers? Will
> > the
> > MS VS built-in compiler be enough or do we need an external compiler,
> like
> > Intel's 9.0?
> >
> > [1] http://harmony.apache.org/quickhelp_contributors.html
> > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4893
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Nadya
> >
>
>
>
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> 741598.
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>
--
Cheers,
Nadya
Re: [site] update Quick Help for Contributors (the building instructions)
Posted by Sian January <si...@googlemail.com>.
Hi Nadya,
Your patch looks good - it definitely makes sense to change the tense for
that page, it reads a lot more easily now. It's really helpful to have
numbered sections too. Just a small point, but I wondered why you changed
"Ant 1.6.5 or higher" to "Ant 1.6.5"? Is there a problem with later
versions of Ant?
I think we do still need Visual Studio 2003 (which includes the compiler so
you don't need another one) but I'm happy to be corrected on this.
Thanks,
Sian
On 03/10/2007, Nadya Morozova <na...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I decided to update the Quick Help for Contributors page [1] and posted a
> patch to JIRA 4893 [2]. I only changed the wording in some places to
> switch
> accents. you're welcome to review the patch and submit your comments.
>
> if somebody could read / test the latest Quick Help page and let me know
> if
> there are any technical discrepancies, i'd be very thankful. i guess the
> prerequisites part may be out of date or incomplete. for example: do we
> actually need MS VS 2003? Do we need the Pro version only, or can users
> download a free Express Edition and be done? What about compilers? Will
> the
> MS VS built-in compiler be enough or do we need an external compiler, like
> Intel's 9.0?
>
> [1] http://harmony.apache.org/quickhelp_contributors.html
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-4893
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Nadya
>
--
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741598.
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