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Posted to kato-spec@incubator.apache.org by Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk> on 2009/04/21 15:14:19 UTC
Re: Conference Call: Agenda
Hi all,
I'd like for there to be an agenda for the call so we cover all the
points that are of interest to people and not waste peoples time.
My straw man suggestion is:
. Introductions
. Description of contents of Kato's org.apache.kato.java package.
. What the said package does not include.
. Description of org.apache.kato.image package.
. Design fundamentals of API
.. ImagePointers - their role in determining identity, etc.
.. Iterators - means of accessing collections, their role in search.
JavaClass JavaClassLoader.findClass(String name) - one example of search
.. Issues with API
... Representing the dumping thread
... unidirectional links in API
... Dealing with inconsistent/incorrect/missing data - CorruptData,
exceptions.
... Dealing with optional data - DataUnavailableException
... Scalability - processing large dumps
. How to proceed from now on
.. How to proceed with user stories - how to shape API.
. Upcoming items - JavaOne BOF, JSR-326 status.
. AOB
. Wrap up.
I'd be most interested to hear what it is you want to get out of this call.
One matter that has not been discussion yet is the duration of the call.
My assumption is 1 hour, but again, let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Stuart
Stuart Monteith wrote:
> Hello All,
> I'm getting close to buttoning down the time for the conference call:
>
> So far I have the follow:
>
> Us: +1 UTC: 8:00 UTC - 17:00 UTC
> Sonal: +5:30 UTC: 0300-0700, 1230-1730
> Konstantin: +7 UTC: 0100-1600
>
> Nicholas, can you express the times your are available in UTC? Steve
> told me that you were in Austin,
> I assumed California (hence PST). If you are further west, that would
> be a great help.
>
> My suggestion is that the call is held on Friday. That gives time to
> prepare, and we are all available that day.
>
> Thanks,
> Stuart
>
>
> rcolemail-kato@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> Wednesday, Thursday and Friday are best for me.
>>
>> Richard Cole
>>
>> --- On Wed, 15/4/09, Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From: Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk>
>>> Subject: Conference Call
>>> To: kato-spec@incubator.apache.org
>>> Date: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009, 6:28 PM
>>> Hello,
>>> I would like to set up a conference call
>>> for next week. Using the following: https://www.webdialogs.com/ it
>>> is possible to record
>>> the call and the screen of the person hosting the meeting.
>>> Anyone should be able to dial in, and if they wish, join the
>>> meeting to view, for example, a web browser with the
>>> JavaDoc. The recordings are in flash, but I'm sure we should
>>> be able to extract the audio and also transcribe it for
>>> posterity.
>>>
>>> If everyone is ok with this arrangement, I'd like to try
>>> and arrange it for sometime next week. I've not arranged an
>>> international conference call before, but can I suggest we
>>> use UTC to state the times? For instance, UK working time is
>>> currently 08:00 to 16:30 UTC.
>>>
>>> I estimate the time range from -7 UTC (California) through
>>> -1 UTC (UK) into +3 UTC (Moscow) and +5:30 (India). This is
>>> 12 1/2 hours. Please let me know if my estimate is
>>> incorrect.
>>>
>>> As I understand it the call would be to walk through the
>>> API and clarify any issues people may have it (that's my
>>> interpretation).
>>>
>>> Please let me know what you think about dates and times.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>> Steve Poole wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ant, We'll try our best to make this as open as
>>>>
>>> possible - we should be
>>>
>>>> able to record the call at the very least.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:19 AM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Steve Poole
>>>>> <sp...@googlemail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Nicholas
>>>>>>
>>> Sterling <
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Nicholas.Sterling@sun.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>> Steve, if we do end up having a concall,
>>> which I think would probably
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> help,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> would you mind if I invited Alan Bateman
>>>>>>>
>>> of the HotSpot team to attend?
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure that would be fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure you all know that the dev list is the
>>>>>
>>> preferred place for
>>>
>>>>> communication in Apache projects so phone calls
>>>>>
>>> can be frowned upon.
>>>
>>>>> They're not unheard of though, other projects do
>>>>>
>>> use them on occasion,
>>>
>>>>> and in this particular circumstance to help
>>>>>
>>> explain the Kato seed code
>>>
>>>>> i think its ok. I'd hope that access would be open
>>>>>
>>> to anyone and via a
>>>
>>>>> publicized toll free number. Would also be great
>>>>>
>>> to make a recording
>>>
>>>>> of the call and put that up on the Kato website (i
>>>>>
>>> know thats not
>>>
>>>>> always possible to arrange).
>>>>>
>>>>> ...ant
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
Re: Conference Call: Agenda
Posted by Steve Poole <sp...@googlemail.com>.
Here we go.
Phone conference numbers
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Belgium Brussels +32 (0) 2 290 1647
Denmark Copenhagen +45 3271 4760
France Lyon 0426840174
France Marseille 0488915288
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Germany Berlin 030726167127
Germany Düsseldorf 021154073687
Germany Frankfurt 069589990732
Germany Hamburg 040809020573
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Germany Stuttgart 0711490813076
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Italy Milan +39 0 230 350 9193
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Spain Madrid +34 91 788 9623
Sweden Stockholm +46 (0) 850 520 263
Switzerland Geneva +41 (0) 225 927 132
United Kingdom Birmingham +44 (0) 121 260 4562
United Kingdom London +44 (0) 207 154 2632
United Kingdom Manchester +44 (0) 161 250 0362
United States +1 954 334 0395
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Steve Poole <sp...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk>wrote:
>
>> Hello Sonal,
>> I'm expecting Steve to chip in as he'll be hosting the call. Thanks for
>> volunteering for taking notes. We'll also be recording the session and
>> transcribing it, but formatted notes will be good too.
>>
>
> Thanks Stuart :-). As to agenda - I'd like to do a 30-45
> minutes walkthough of the API asis - discussing why its the shape it is +
> raising any obvious issues that are known. If we have time we can discuss
> the one or two things that should be done to the API as "step 1" . I'm
> thinking about items such as adding random access instead/as well of
> iterators + exception handing
>
>
>> Thanks,
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> Sonal Goyal wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Stuart,
>>> This list looks like a good start, but I doubt if we can cover everything
>>> in
>>> one hour. It may help to identify the following:
>>>
>>> 1. Call coordinator.
>>> 2. Durations for each item.
>>> 3. Note taker. - I volunteer.
>>>
>>> Thanks and Regards,
>>> Sonal
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I'd like for there to be an agenda for the call so we cover all the
>>>> points that are of interest to people and not waste peoples time.
>>>>
>>>> My straw man suggestion is:
>>>>
>>>> . Introductions
>>>> . Description of contents of Kato's org.apache.kato.java package.
>>>> . What the said package does not include.
>>>> . Description of org.apache.kato.image package.
>>>> . Design fundamentals of API
>>>> .. ImagePointers - their role in determining identity, etc.
>>>> .. Iterators - means of accessing collections, their role in search.
>>>> JavaClass JavaClassLoader.findClass(String name) - one example of
>>>> search
>>>> .. Issues with API
>>>> ... Representing the dumping thread
>>>> ... unidirectional links in API
>>>> ... Dealing with inconsistent/incorrect/missing data - CorruptData,
>>>> exceptions.
>>>> ... Dealing with optional data - DataUnavailableException
>>>> ... Scalability - processing large dumps
>>>> . How to proceed from now on
>>>> .. How to proceed with user stories - how to shape API.
>>>> . Upcoming items - JavaOne BOF, JSR-326 status.
>>>> . AOB
>>>> . Wrap up.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be most interested to hear what it is you want to get out of this
>>>> call.
>>>>
>>>> One matter that has not been discussion yet is the duration of the call.
>>>> My
>>>> assumption is 1 hour, but again, let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>> Stuart Monteith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> I'm getting close to buttoning down the time for the conference call:
>>>>>
>>>>> So far I have the follow:
>>>>>
>>>>> Us: +1 UTC: 8:00 UTC - 17:00 UTC
>>>>> Sonal: +5:30 UTC: 0300-0700, 1230-1730
>>>>> Konstantin: +7 UTC: 0100-1600
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicholas, can you express the times your are available in UTC? Steve
>>>>> told
>>>>> me that you were in Austin,
>>>>> I assumed California (hence PST). If you are further west, that would
>>>>> be a
>>>>> great help.
>>>>>
>>>>> My suggestion is that the call is held on Friday. That gives time to
>>>>> prepare, and we are all available that day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Stuart
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> rcolemail-kato@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wednesday, Thursday and Friday are best for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Cole
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Wed, 15/4/09, Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk>
>>>>>>> Subject: Conference Call
>>>>>>> To: kato-spec@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009, 6:28 PM
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> I would like to set up a conference call
>>>>>>> for next week. Using the following: https://www.webdialogs.com/ it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> possible to record
>>>>>>> the call and the screen of the person hosting the meeting.
>>>>>>> Anyone should be able to dial in, and if they wish, join the
>>>>>>> meeting to view, for example, a web browser with the
>>>>>>> JavaDoc. The recordings are in flash, but I'm sure we should
>>>>>>> be able to extract the audio and also transcribe it for
>>>>>>> posterity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If everyone is ok with this arrangement, I'd like to try
>>>>>>> and arrange it for sometime next week. I've not arranged an
>>>>>>> international conference call before, but can I suggest we
>>>>>>> use UTC to state the times? For instance, UK working time is
>>>>>>> currently 08:00 to 16:30 UTC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I estimate the time range from -7 UTC (California) through
>>>>>>> -1 UTC (UK) into +3 UTC (Moscow) and +5:30 (India). This is
>>>>>>> 12 1/2 hours. Please let me know if my estimate is
>>>>>>> incorrect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I understand it the call would be to walk through the
>>>>>>> API and clarify any issues people may have it (that's my
>>>>>>> interpretation).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know what you think about dates and times.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Stuart
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve Poole wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ant, We'll try our best to make this as open as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> possible - we should be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> able to record the call at the very least.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:19 AM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Steve Poole <
>>>>>>>>> spoole167@googlemail.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Nicholas
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sterling <
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nicholas.Sterling@sun.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Steve, if we do end up having a concall,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> which I think would probably
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> help,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> would you mind if I invited Alan Bateman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of the HotSpot team to attend?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure that would be fine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure you all know that the dev list is the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> preferred place for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> communication in Apache projects so phone calls
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> can be frowned upon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They're not unheard of though, other projects do
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> use them on occasion,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and in this particular circumstance to help
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> explain the Kato seed code
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i think its ok. I'd hope that access would be open
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to anyone and via a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> publicized toll free number. Would also be great
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to make a recording
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of the call and put that up on the Kato website (i
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> know thats not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> always possible to arrange).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...ant
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Conference Call: Agenda
Posted by Steve Poole <sp...@googlemail.com>.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk>wrote:
> Hello Sonal,
> I'm expecting Steve to chip in as he'll be hosting the call. Thanks for
> volunteering for taking notes. We'll also be recording the session and
> transcribing it, but formatted notes will be good too.
>
Thanks Stuart :-). As to agenda - I'd like to do a 30-45 minutes
walkthough of the API asis - discussing why its the shape it is + raising
any obvious issues that are known. If we have time we can discuss the one
or two things that should be done to the API as "step 1" . I'm thinking
about items such as adding random access instead/as well of iterators +
exception handing
> Thanks,
> Stuart
>
>
> Sonal Goyal wrote:
>
>> Hi Stuart,
>> This list looks like a good start, but I doubt if we can cover everything
>> in
>> one hour. It may help to identify the following:
>>
>> 1. Call coordinator.
>> 2. Durations for each item.
>> 3. Note taker. - I volunteer.
>>
>> Thanks and Regards,
>> Sonal
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'd like for there to be an agenda for the call so we cover all the
>>> points that are of interest to people and not waste peoples time.
>>>
>>> My straw man suggestion is:
>>>
>>> . Introductions
>>> . Description of contents of Kato's org.apache.kato.java package.
>>> . What the said package does not include.
>>> . Description of org.apache.kato.image package.
>>> . Design fundamentals of API
>>> .. ImagePointers - their role in determining identity, etc.
>>> .. Iterators - means of accessing collections, their role in search.
>>> JavaClass JavaClassLoader.findClass(String name) - one example of search
>>> .. Issues with API
>>> ... Representing the dumping thread
>>> ... unidirectional links in API
>>> ... Dealing with inconsistent/incorrect/missing data - CorruptData,
>>> exceptions.
>>> ... Dealing with optional data - DataUnavailableException
>>> ... Scalability - processing large dumps
>>> . How to proceed from now on
>>> .. How to proceed with user stories - how to shape API.
>>> . Upcoming items - JavaOne BOF, JSR-326 status.
>>> . AOB
>>> . Wrap up.
>>>
>>> I'd be most interested to hear what it is you want to get out of this
>>> call.
>>>
>>> One matter that has not been discussion yet is the duration of the call.
>>> My
>>> assumption is 1 hour, but again, let me know what you think.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>> Stuart Monteith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> I'm getting close to buttoning down the time for the conference call:
>>>>
>>>> So far I have the follow:
>>>>
>>>> Us: +1 UTC: 8:00 UTC - 17:00 UTC
>>>> Sonal: +5:30 UTC: 0300-0700, 1230-1730
>>>> Konstantin: +7 UTC: 0100-1600
>>>>
>>>> Nicholas, can you express the times your are available in UTC? Steve
>>>> told
>>>> me that you were in Austin,
>>>> I assumed California (hence PST). If you are further west, that would be
>>>> a
>>>> great help.
>>>>
>>>> My suggestion is that the call is held on Friday. That gives time to
>>>> prepare, and we are all available that day.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> rcolemail-kato@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Wednesday, Thursday and Friday are best for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Cole
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Wed, 15/4/09, Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk>
>>>>>> Subject: Conference Call
>>>>>> To: kato-spec@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009, 6:28 PM
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> I would like to set up a conference call
>>>>>> for next week. Using the following: https://www.webdialogs.com/ it is
>>>>>> possible to record
>>>>>> the call and the screen of the person hosting the meeting.
>>>>>> Anyone should be able to dial in, and if they wish, join the
>>>>>> meeting to view, for example, a web browser with the
>>>>>> JavaDoc. The recordings are in flash, but I'm sure we should
>>>>>> be able to extract the audio and also transcribe it for
>>>>>> posterity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If everyone is ok with this arrangement, I'd like to try
>>>>>> and arrange it for sometime next week. I've not arranged an
>>>>>> international conference call before, but can I suggest we
>>>>>> use UTC to state the times? For instance, UK working time is
>>>>>> currently 08:00 to 16:30 UTC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I estimate the time range from -7 UTC (California) through
>>>>>> -1 UTC (UK) into +3 UTC (Moscow) and +5:30 (India). This is
>>>>>> 12 1/2 hours. Please let me know if my estimate is
>>>>>> incorrect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I understand it the call would be to walk through the
>>>>>> API and clarify any issues people may have it (that's my
>>>>>> interpretation).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know what you think about dates and times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Stuart
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve Poole wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ant, We'll try our best to make this as open as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> possible - we should be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> able to record the call at the very least.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:19 AM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Steve Poole <
>>>>>>>> spoole167@googlemail.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Nicholas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sterling <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nicholas.Sterling@sun.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steve, if we do end up having a concall,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> which I think would probably
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> help,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> would you mind if I invited Alan Bateman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of the HotSpot team to attend?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure that would be fine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure you all know that the dev list is the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> preferred place for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> communication in Apache projects so phone calls
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> can be frowned upon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They're not unheard of though, other projects do
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> use them on occasion,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and in this particular circumstance to help
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> explain the Kato seed code
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i think its ok. I'd hope that access would be open
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to anyone and via a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> publicized toll free number. Would also be great
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to make a recording
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of the call and put that up on the Kato website (i
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> know thats not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> always possible to arrange).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...ant
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Conference Call: Agenda
Posted by Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk>.
Hello Sonal,
I'm expecting Steve to chip in as he'll be hosting the call. Thanks
for volunteering for taking notes. We'll also be recording the session
and transcribing it, but formatted notes will be good too.
Thanks,
Stuart
Sonal Goyal wrote:
> Hi Stuart,
> This list looks like a good start, but I doubt if we can cover everything in
> one hour. It may help to identify the following:
>
> 1. Call coordinator.
> 2. Durations for each item.
> 3. Note taker. - I volunteer.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Sonal
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk> wrote:
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> I'd like for there to be an agenda for the call so we cover all the
>> points that are of interest to people and not waste peoples time.
>>
>> My straw man suggestion is:
>>
>> . Introductions
>> . Description of contents of Kato's org.apache.kato.java package.
>> . What the said package does not include.
>> . Description of org.apache.kato.image package.
>> . Design fundamentals of API
>> .. ImagePointers - their role in determining identity, etc.
>> .. Iterators - means of accessing collections, their role in search.
>> JavaClass JavaClassLoader.findClass(String name) - one example of search
>> .. Issues with API
>> ... Representing the dumping thread
>> ... unidirectional links in API
>> ... Dealing with inconsistent/incorrect/missing data - CorruptData,
>> exceptions.
>> ... Dealing with optional data - DataUnavailableException
>> ... Scalability - processing large dumps
>> . How to proceed from now on
>> .. How to proceed with user stories - how to shape API.
>> . Upcoming items - JavaOne BOF, JSR-326 status.
>> . AOB
>> . Wrap up.
>>
>> I'd be most interested to hear what it is you want to get out of this call.
>>
>> One matter that has not been discussion yet is the duration of the call. My
>> assumption is 1 hour, but again, let me know what you think.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stuart
>>
>> Stuart Monteith wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>> I'm getting close to buttoning down the time for the conference call:
>>>
>>> So far I have the follow:
>>>
>>> Us: +1 UTC: 8:00 UTC - 17:00 UTC
>>> Sonal: +5:30 UTC: 0300-0700, 1230-1730
>>> Konstantin: +7 UTC: 0100-1600
>>>
>>> Nicholas, can you express the times your are available in UTC? Steve told
>>> me that you were in Austin,
>>> I assumed California (hence PST). If you are further west, that would be a
>>> great help.
>>>
>>> My suggestion is that the call is held on Friday. That gives time to
>>> prepare, and we are all available that day.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>> rcolemail-kato@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wednesday, Thursday and Friday are best for me.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Cole
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 15/4/09, Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk>
>>>>> Subject: Conference Call
>>>>> To: kato-spec@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009, 6:28 PM
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> I would like to set up a conference call
>>>>> for next week. Using the following: https://www.webdialogs.com/ it is
>>>>> possible to record
>>>>> the call and the screen of the person hosting the meeting.
>>>>> Anyone should be able to dial in, and if they wish, join the
>>>>> meeting to view, for example, a web browser with the
>>>>> JavaDoc. The recordings are in flash, but I'm sure we should
>>>>> be able to extract the audio and also transcribe it for
>>>>> posterity.
>>>>>
>>>>> If everyone is ok with this arrangement, I'd like to try
>>>>> and arrange it for sometime next week. I've not arranged an
>>>>> international conference call before, but can I suggest we
>>>>> use UTC to state the times? For instance, UK working time is
>>>>> currently 08:00 to 16:30 UTC.
>>>>>
>>>>> I estimate the time range from -7 UTC (California) through
>>>>> -1 UTC (UK) into +3 UTC (Moscow) and +5:30 (India). This is
>>>>> 12 1/2 hours. Please let me know if my estimate is
>>>>> incorrect.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I understand it the call would be to walk through the
>>>>> API and clarify any issues people may have it (that's my
>>>>> interpretation).
>>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know what you think about dates and times.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Stuart
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Poole wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ant, We'll try our best to make this as open as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> possible - we should be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> able to record the call at the very least.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:19 AM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Steve Poole <spoole167@googlemail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Nicholas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sterling <
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nicholas.Sterling@sun.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steve, if we do end up having a concall,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> which I think would probably
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> help,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> would you mind if I invited Alan Bateman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of the HotSpot team to attend?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure that would be fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure you all know that the dev list is the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> preferred place for
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> communication in Apache projects so phone calls
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> can be frowned upon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> They're not unheard of though, other projects do
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> use them on occasion,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> and in this particular circumstance to help
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> explain the Kato seed code
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> i think its ok. I'd hope that access would be open
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> to anyone and via a
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> publicized toll free number. Would also be great
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> to make a recording
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> of the call and put that up on the Kato website (i
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> know thats not
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> always possible to arrange).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...ant
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
Re: Conference Call: Agenda
Posted by Sonal Goyal <so...@gmail.com>.
Hi Stuart,
This list looks like a good start, but I doubt if we can cover everything in
one hour. It may help to identify the following:
1. Call coordinator.
2. Durations for each item.
3. Note taker. - I volunteer.
Thanks and Regards,
Sonal
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'd like for there to be an agenda for the call so we cover all the
> points that are of interest to people and not waste peoples time.
>
> My straw man suggestion is:
>
> . Introductions
> . Description of contents of Kato's org.apache.kato.java package.
> . What the said package does not include.
> . Description of org.apache.kato.image package.
> . Design fundamentals of API
> .. ImagePointers - their role in determining identity, etc.
> .. Iterators - means of accessing collections, their role in search.
> JavaClass JavaClassLoader.findClass(String name) - one example of search
> .. Issues with API
> ... Representing the dumping thread
> ... unidirectional links in API
> ... Dealing with inconsistent/incorrect/missing data - CorruptData,
> exceptions.
> ... Dealing with optional data - DataUnavailableException
> ... Scalability - processing large dumps
> . How to proceed from now on
> .. How to proceed with user stories - how to shape API.
> . Upcoming items - JavaOne BOF, JSR-326 status.
> . AOB
> . Wrap up.
>
> I'd be most interested to hear what it is you want to get out of this call.
>
> One matter that has not been discussion yet is the duration of the call. My
> assumption is 1 hour, but again, let me know what you think.
>
> Thanks,
> Stuart
>
> Stuart Monteith wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>> I'm getting close to buttoning down the time for the conference call:
>>
>> So far I have the follow:
>>
>> Us: +1 UTC: 8:00 UTC - 17:00 UTC
>> Sonal: +5:30 UTC: 0300-0700, 1230-1730
>> Konstantin: +7 UTC: 0100-1600
>>
>> Nicholas, can you express the times your are available in UTC? Steve told
>> me that you were in Austin,
>> I assumed California (hence PST). If you are further west, that would be a
>> great help.
>>
>> My suggestion is that the call is held on Friday. That gives time to
>> prepare, and we are all available that day.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> rcolemail-kato@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> Wednesday, Thursday and Friday are best for me.
>>>
>>> Richard Cole
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 15/4/09, Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Stuart Monteith <st...@stoo.me.uk>
>>>> Subject: Conference Call
>>>> To: kato-spec@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Date: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009, 6:28 PM
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I would like to set up a conference call
>>>> for next week. Using the following: https://www.webdialogs.com/ it is
>>>> possible to record
>>>> the call and the screen of the person hosting the meeting.
>>>> Anyone should be able to dial in, and if they wish, join the
>>>> meeting to view, for example, a web browser with the
>>>> JavaDoc. The recordings are in flash, but I'm sure we should
>>>> be able to extract the audio and also transcribe it for
>>>> posterity.
>>>>
>>>> If everyone is ok with this arrangement, I'd like to try
>>>> and arrange it for sometime next week. I've not arranged an
>>>> international conference call before, but can I suggest we
>>>> use UTC to state the times? For instance, UK working time is
>>>> currently 08:00 to 16:30 UTC.
>>>>
>>>> I estimate the time range from -7 UTC (California) through
>>>> -1 UTC (UK) into +3 UTC (Moscow) and +5:30 (India). This is
>>>> 12 1/2 hours. Please let me know if my estimate is
>>>> incorrect.
>>>>
>>>> As I understand it the call would be to walk through the
>>>> API and clarify any issues people may have it (that's my
>>>> interpretation).
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know what you think about dates and times.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>> Steve Poole wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ant, We'll try our best to make this as open as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> possible - we should be
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> able to record the call at the very least.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:19 AM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Steve Poole <spoole167@googlemail.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Nicholas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sterling <
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicholas.Sterling@sun.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve, if we do end up having a concall,
>>>> which I think would probably
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> help,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> would you mind if I invited Alan Bateman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of the HotSpot team to attend?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure that would be fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure you all know that the dev list is the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> preferred place for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> communication in Apache projects so phone calls
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> can be frowned upon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> They're not unheard of though, other projects do
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> use them on occasion,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and in this particular circumstance to help
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> explain the Kato seed code
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> i think its ok. I'd hope that access would be open
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> to anyone and via a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> publicized toll free number. Would also be great
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> to make a recording
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> of the call and put that up on the Kato website (i
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> know thats not
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> always possible to arrange).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...ant
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>