Re: jcr 2.0 spec url

[Robert Munteanu <ro...@apache.org>]

Hi Clay,

On Thu, 2016-08-25 at 16:06 -0500, Clay Ferguson wrote:
> that url works for me. However it's such a shame the spec hasn't been
> updated since 2009. The whole world thinks the JCR is dead, but
> mailny
> because they never heard of it in the first place. It's tempting to
> just
> ditch JCR and code directly against MongoDB+Lucene. I mean it's been
> since
> 2009 and still you ask most java devs if they've ever heard of JCR
> and the
> answer is no. So sad that the technology is dying such a slow painful
> death.

My answer is non-authoritative, since I haven't been involved with the
JCR spec at all.

That being said, there is _a lot_ of activity going on in the
implementation space, and I think that Oak has found many good avenues
for innovation without needing to touch the JCR API.

So I don't think that the statement about the technology ( JCR I assume
) is dying is correct. However, we could definitely make more noise
about JCR/Oak and their benefits.

Thanks,

Robert

> 
> Best regards,
> Clay Ferguson
> wclayf@gmail.com
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 4:09 AM, Torgeir Veimo <torgeir.veimo@gmail.c
> om>
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > There's a number of pages on the net that references the url
> > http://www.day.com/specs/jcr/2.0/
> > 
> > This url doesn't work anymore though. Does anyone know of any other
> > location which has the jcr 2.0 spec online?
> > 
> > --
> > -Tor
> > 

Re: jcr 2.0 spec url

[Clay Ferguson <wc...@gmail.com>]

I hope the JCR community didn't take my email as an insult. No one is a
bigger fan of the JCR than I am. The fact that the entire world of
developers is still oblivious to its existence is just a shame though. I
mean really if you think about it in a perfect world the only reason
MongoDB should even exist in the modern ecosystem is as a back-end for the
JCR. The JCR is the perfect front-end (or client) for most data storage
needs in the modern world if you are in a non-RDBMS world. I guess the
ACID-correct RDBMS still has a reason to exist, but the fact that the JCR
is not more well known is definitely a sort of "marketing failure".

How to get funds to "market" an open source api with no funding stream, i
don't know. I'm a technology guy, not a marketing guy. I just know that the
JCR being ignored is a massive travesty.

Perhaps the solution is to make some inroads into the Spring community?
More headway or emphasis on the Apache community? I don't know. I just hate
to see a world where the JCR is the best thing since sliced bread and even
10 years into it most devs are still oblivious to its existence. Maybe I
should turn meta64.com into a gripe forum where we can make a plan.


Best regards,
Clay Ferguson
wclayf@gmail.com


On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 6:25 AM, Robert Munteanu <ro...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Clay,
>
> On Thu, 2016-08-25 at 16:06 -0500, Clay Ferguson wrote:
> > that url works for me. However it's such a shame the spec hasn't been
> > updated since 2009. The whole world thinks the JCR is dead, but
> > mailny
> > because they never heard of it in the first place. It's tempting to
> > just
> > ditch JCR and code directly against MongoDB+Lucene. I mean it's been
> > since
> > 2009 and still you ask most java devs if they've ever heard of JCR
> > and the
> > answer is no. So sad that the technology is dying such a slow painful
> > death.
>
> My answer is non-authoritative, since I haven't been involved with the
> JCR spec at all.
>
> That being said, there is _a lot_ of activity going on in the
> implementation space, and I think that Oak has found many good avenues
> for innovation without needing to touch the JCR API.
>
> So I don't think that the statement about the technology ( JCR I assume
> ) is dying is correct. However, we could definitely make more noise
> about JCR/Oak and their benefits.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
>
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Clay Ferguson
> > wclayf@gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 4:09 AM, Torgeir Veimo <torgeir.veimo@gmail.c
> > om>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > There's a number of pages on the net that references the url
> > > http://www.day.com/specs/jcr/2.0/
> > >
> > > This url doesn't work anymore though. Does anyone know of any other
> > > location which has the jcr 2.0 spec online?
> > >
> > > --
> > > -Tor
> > >
>
>

Re: jcr 2.0 spec url

[Michael Dürig <md...@apache.org>]

On 2.9.16 1:25 , Robert Munteanu wrote:
> That being said, there is _a lot_ of activity going on in the
> implementation space, and I think that Oak has found many good avenues
> for innovation without needing to touch the JCR API.

Agreed. But still it would be desirable to also see the spec. moving 
forward. There is quite a few pain points that make it hard for 
implementations to be compliant while at the same time meeting the 
requirements of modern distributed and scaleable content repositories.

Michael