FOP for jdk 1.x

[Natalia Udaltsova <na...@clients.ie>]

Hi, All

I know how stupid it sounds but I really need jdk 1.x sources of fop, 
xalan & xerces. Please anybody who has send ne on 
natalia.oudaltsov@clients.ie

Many thanks
Natalia


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Re: FOP for jdk 1.x

[Clay Leeds <cl...@medata.com>]

Chris Bowditch wrote:
> Natalia Udaltsova wrote:
>> Hi, All
>>
>> I know how stupid it sounds but I really need jdk 1.x sources of fop, 
>> xalan & xerces. Please anybody who has send ne on 
>> natalia.oudaltsov@clients.ie

I don't think the request is 'stupid' at all. I've long been in favor of 
maintaining the lowest common denominator possible. I would prefer 'new 
features' be designed to run on older systems if possible. In addition, 
I would prefer those features which for whatever reason cannot run under 
1.2 or 1.3, be added as 'modules' or something, so that the core FOP 
functionality could still be run under 'lesser' JDK. Granted it may be 
naive on my part to think this way. I understand that such a system may 
also increase development time, which is probably the last thing the FOP 
re-design needs.

We've recently had an issue with a customers who generates on the order 
of 300,000 PDFs/month (that customer has additional internal 'customers' 
who generate additional large-scale '-print' output). They run much of 
their infrastructure on AIX 4.3 under IBM jdk 1.3. As 1.3 is the latest 
version of Java that can run on AIX 4.3, that box probably won't be 
upgraded. The problem related to AWT issues running 'headless', which 
IIRC were resolved by loading a different video driver to fake a X 
window server or some such.

In any case, if FOP determines it's in its best interest to move toward 
minimum JDK of 1.4 (or 1.5), such changes won't benefit that client at 
all. What does this mean? It means my company becomes a little less like 
to want to support my involvement in FOP. NOTE: we do have other clients 
who use FOP, however, the AIX client is arguably our largest client.

> Interesting .... There are still some old FOP source distributions on 
> the FTP site. See:
> 
> http://apache.mirror.positive-internet.com/xml/fop/source/old/
> 
> I think you will need to go back to 0.18 to get it compiling on JDK 1.1
> 
> Please tell me, why do you need JDK 1.1? I am interested because a lot 
> of the FOP developers seem to be very keen on using the latest JDKs 
> available. I have been trying to persuade folks for some time of the 
> need to keep compatibility with at least 1.3 for the medium term. The 
> reason being that there a lot of old mainframes and unix servers out 
> there, which cant run newer JDKs. The reasons behind this vary, but I 
> think we should keep FOP's source compatible with 1.3 for the 
> foreseeable future.
> 
> Chris

As you might surmise from my comments above, I agree with you on that 
point, Chris.

Web Maestro Clay

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Re: FOP for jdk 1.x

[Natalia Udaltsova <na...@clients.ie>]

Thanks, Chris

I found fop 0.18 so now I need xalan&xerces to be absolutely happy.

> Please tell me, why do you need JDK 1.1? I am interested because a lot 
> of the FOP developers seem to be very keen on using the latest JDKs 
> available. I have been trying to persuade folks for some time of the 
> need to keep compatibility with at least 1.3 for the medium term. The 
> reason being that there a lot of old mainframes and unix servers out 
> there, which cant run newer JDKs. The reasons behind this vary, but I 
> think we should keep FOP's source compatible with 1.3 for the 
> foreseeable future. 

O God ... Support of cource.

Thanks,
Natalia


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Re: FOP for jdk 1.x

[Chris Bowditch <bo...@hotmail.com>]

Natalia Udaltsova wrote:

> Hi, All
> 
> I know how stupid it sounds but I really need jdk 1.x sources of fop, 
> xalan & xerces. Please anybody who has send ne on 
> natalia.oudaltsov@clients.ie

Interesting .... There are still some old FOP source distributions on the FTP 
site. See:

http://apache.mirror.positive-internet.com/xml/fop/source/old/

I think you will need to go back to 0.18 to get it compiling on JDK 1.1

Please tell me, why do you need JDK 1.1? I am interested because a lot of the 
FOP developers seem to be very keen on using the latest JDKs available. I have 
been trying to persuade folks for some time of the need to keep compatibility 
with at least 1.3 for the medium term. The reason being that there a lot of 
old mainframes and unix servers out there, which cant run newer JDKs. The 
reasons behind this vary, but I think we should keep FOP's source compatible 
with 1.3 for the foreseeable future.

Chris



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