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Posted to netcat@netbeans.apache.org by Aldo Brucale <br...@gmail.com> on 2018/11/06 17:20:34 UTC
Re: GTK UI and JDK 11
I've found this answer on stackoverflow
<https://stackoverflow.com/a/26882303/57441> suggesting to set
-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=gasp. This setting seems to completely
disable font anti-aliasing for all the UI elements, but to me it looks
better than the other options. The anti-aliasing of the editor and output
window fonts still doesn't look as good as it used to, but it's definitely
usable.
On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 12:15, Aldo Brucale <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've added a few screenshots to NETBEANS-1344
> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344?focusedCommentId=16658817&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16658817>
>
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 18:07, Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Could you attach screenshots to
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344 showing the
>> difference between using Java 8, Java 10 and (Java 11 + -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2
>> and -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on)
>>
>> I've just tested with Ubuntu 18.10 on Gnome 3 desktop. NetBeans is kind
>> of ugly even with the recommended settings. Using Unity Desktop it looks as
>> gorgeous as before. In order to look consistently good, you need to use
>> something else than GTK LAF. Darcula works well.
>>
>> On 10/18/2018 04:00 AM, Aldo Brucale wrote:
>>
>> On Ubuntu 18.04 I've tried to set both -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 and
>> -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on: Netbeans surely looks better, but
>> still not enough for my daily work. Except for the tests, I'll stick with
>> Java 8 or 10 for now.
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:00, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 06:51, Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Blame JDK and Gnome.
>>>
>>> I realise there are some open JDK bugs, but are we sure how much is
>>> JDK? There's a lot of stuff going on in o.n.swing.plaf - just
>>> wondering if there's stuff going on in GtkLFCustoms that's making
>>> assumptions that no longer apply with GTK3?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/master/platform/o.n.swing.plaf/src/org/netbeans/swing/plaf/gtk
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
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>>
Re: GTK UI and JDK 11
Posted by Aldo Brucale <br...@gmail.com>.
I have tried to change the font hinting policy from "Slight" to "Full" on
Ubuntu 18.04 (installing a "gnome-tweak" package) but it doesn't seem to
affect the Netbeans fonts at all (or any other ui fonts, for that
matter)...
With the "gasp" setting I'm still getting anti-aliased fonts in the nb
editor and output windows, but not in the other swing components (menus,
labels, tree views, buttons, etc.)
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 18:58, Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Well, according to the release notes the default setting on Windows should
> be "gasp" and on Linux should be "on", If you switch it to "gasp" on Linux
> then the anti-aliasing is gone.
>
> On linux the rendering is also affected by the desktop font hinting
> policy, which (I do not know why) at least on Ubuntu is set to "Slight" If
> you set it to "Moderate" or "Full" the whole Linux UI got a better look
> including NetBeans fonts.
>
> (Of course you need to use fonts which provides hints.)
> On 11/6/18 9:20 AM, Aldo Brucale wrote:
>
> I've found this answer on stackoverflow
> <https://stackoverflow.com/a/26882303/57441> suggesting to set
> -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=gasp. This setting seems to completely
> disable font anti-aliasing for all the UI elements, but to me it looks
> better than the other options. The anti-aliasing of the editor and output
> window fonts still doesn't look as good as it used to, but it's definitely
> usable.
>
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 12:15, Aldo Brucale <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've added a few screenshots to NETBEANS-1344
>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344?focusedCommentId=16658817&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16658817>
>>
>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 18:07, Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Could you attach screenshots to
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344 showing the
>>> difference between using Java 8, Java 10 and (Java 11 + -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2
>>> and -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on)
>>>
>>> I've just tested with Ubuntu 18.10 on Gnome 3 desktop. NetBeans is kind
>>> of ugly even with the recommended settings. Using Unity Desktop it looks as
>>> gorgeous as before. In order to look consistently good, you need to use
>>> something else than GTK LAF. Darcula works well.
>>>
>>> On 10/18/2018 04:00 AM, Aldo Brucale wrote:
>>>
>>> On Ubuntu 18.04 I've tried to set both -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 and
>>> -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on: Netbeans surely looks better, but
>>> still not enough for my daily work. Except for the tests, I'll stick with
>>> Java 8 or 10 for now.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:00, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 06:51, Laszlo Kishalmi <
>>>> laszlo.kishalmi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Blame JDK and Gnome.
>>>>
>>>> I realise there are some open JDK bugs, but are we sure how much is
>>>> JDK? There's a lot of stuff going on in o.n.swing.plaf - just
>>>> wondering if there's stuff going on in GtkLFCustoms that's making
>>>> assumptions that no longer apply with GTK3?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/master/platform/o.n.swing.plaf/src/org/netbeans/swing/plaf/gtk
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: netcat-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: netcat-help@netbeans.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
Re: GTK UI and JDK 11
Posted by Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
Well, according to the release notes the default setting on Windows
should be "gasp" and on Linux should be "on", If you switch it to "gasp"
on Linux then the anti-aliasing is gone.
On linux the rendering is also affected by the desktop font hinting
policy, which (I do not know why) at least on Ubuntu is set to "Slight"
If you set it to "Moderate" or "Full" the whole Linux UI got a better
look including NetBeans fonts.
(Of course you need to use fonts which provides hints.)
On 11/6/18 9:20 AM, Aldo Brucale wrote:
> I've found this answer on stackoverflow
> <https://stackoverflow.com/a/26882303/57441> suggesting to set
> -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=gasp. This setting seems to completely
> disable font anti-aliasing for all the UI elements, but to me it looks
> better than the other options. The anti-aliasing of the editor and
> output window fonts still doesn't look as good as it used to, but it's
> definitely usable.
>
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 12:15, Aldo Brucale <brucale@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I've added a few screenshots to NETBEANS-1344
> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344?focusedCommentId=16658817&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-16658817>
>
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 18:07, Laszlo Kishalmi
> <laszlo.kishalmi@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Could you attach screenshots to
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1344 showing
> the difference between using Java 8, Java 10 and (Java 11 +
> -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 and -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on)
>
> I've just tested with Ubuntu 18.10 on Gnome 3 desktop.
> NetBeans is kind of ugly even with the recommended settings.
> Using Unity Desktop it looks as gorgeous as before. In order
> to look consistently good, you need to use something else than
> GTK LAF. Darcula works well.
>
>
> On 10/18/2018 04:00 AM, Aldo Brucale wrote:
>> On Ubuntu 18.04 I've tried to set both
>> -J-Djdk.gtk.version=2.2 and
>> -J-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on: Netbeans surely looks
>> better, but still not enough for my daily work. Except for
>> the tests, I'll stick with Java 8 or 10 for now.
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:00, Neil C Smith
>> <neilcsmith@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 06:51, Laszlo Kishalmi
>> <laszlo.kishalmi@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > Blame JDK and Gnome.
>>
>> I realise there are some open JDK bugs, but are we sure
>> how much is
>> JDK? There's a lot of stuff going on in o.n.swing.plaf -
>> just
>> wondering if there's stuff going on in GtkLFCustoms
>> that's making
>> assumptions that no longer apply with GTK3?
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/master/platform/o.n.swing.plaf/src/org/netbeans/swing/plaf/gtk
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Neil
>>
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