Re: [VOTE] draft Forrest Project Guidelines: Roles and responsibilities

[Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>]

David Crossley wrote:
...
> Well you Thorsten are in the class of committer (however
> we define that role) which belongs on the Forrest PMC.
> So just do the normal pmc-subscribe@f.a.o method and then
> we will handle the rest, acking you with board@ and adding
> you to the committee list.

Wait a sec, this is a Cocoon Project decision (to make any committer 
part of the PMC if he wants to), not of the Forrest Project.

Not that I would not want Thorsten in, but I would prefer we had a vote 
on this on our private PMC list.

-- 
Nicola Ken Barozzi                   nicolaken@apache.org
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: [VOTE] draft Forrest Project Guidelines: Roles and responsibilities

[David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>]

Scherler, Thorsten wrote:
> ... but I did not understand that. I was unsure to
> * write to that list (cocoon) or
> * wait for further instructions
> 
> I rushed and wrote to the forrest because I thought cocoon would be a 
> different PMC!

Cocoon PMC is another PMC.

> My fault! I am very sorry about that! Just unsubribe me and if the vote 
> in the pmc-list is positive let me know (now that I know the address ;-).

Just hold on. We will get around to a vote soon and formalise
the matter. We know that you are committed.

> BTW I was not aware that the PMC list is a private list! That this is 
> the place for PMC members *only*. Hope that helps to clear things up! I 
> should have <acronymfinder>RTFM</acronymfinder> ;-).

It is private, so that it can be used if a vital situation
arises. As we have said before, all discussion happens on the
dev list. We actually have not needed to use the pmc list yet.

> __*SORRY*__

No need to be. You were just caught up in the
development of the guidelines - a difficult phase.
I think it was good that it happened. Action was
spurred across all ASF to get the roles and voting
docs to be more consistent.

-- 
David Crossley

Re: [VOTE] draft Forrest Project Guidelines: Roles and responsibilities

["Scherler, Thorsten" <th...@apache.org>]

David Crossley wrote:

> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> 
>>David Crossley wrote:
>>...
>>
>>>Well you Thorsten are in the class of committer (however
>>>we define that role) which belongs on the Forrest PMC.
>>>So just do the normal pmc-subscribe@f.a.o method and then
>>>we will handle the rest, acking you with board@ and adding
>>>you to the committee list.
>>
>>Wait a sec, this is a Cocoon Project decision (to make any committer 
>>part of the PMC if he wants to), not of the Forrest Project.
> 
> 
> I suppose that i was just assuming that everything was
> like at Cocoon. There all committers can participate on
> the PMC just by joining the list and the acknowledgement.
> 
> So sorry, i think that i botched my first assignment as the
> new chair. Too eager, i should have asked Thorsten to wait.
> 

Actually you did!

... but I did not understand that. I was unsure to
* write to that list (cocoon) or
* wait for further instructions

I rushed and wrote to the forrest because I thought cocoon would be a 
different PMC!

My fault! I am very sorry about that! Just unsubribe me and if the vote 
in the pmc-list is positive let me know (now that I know the address ;-).

BTW I was not aware that the PMC list is a private list! That this is 
the place for PMC members *only*. Hope that helps to clear things up! I 
should have <acronymfinder>RTFM</acronymfinder> ;-).

__*SORRY*__

king regards
thorsten
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  <name>Thorsten Scherler</name>
  <country>Spain</country>
  <@m...@mail>
  <@cocoon-WIKI>
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Scherler
</...@cocoon-WIKI>
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http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Find=Find&Acronym=
  </acronymfinder>
  <motto>
    "My task which I am trying to achieve is,
     by the power of the written word,
     [...] to make you see."
     *Joseph Conrad (1857-1924)*
  </motto>
</thorsten>

Re: [VOTE] draft Forrest Project Guidelines: Roles and responsibilities

[David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>]

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> ...
> > Well you Thorsten are in the class of committer (however
> > we define that role) which belongs on the Forrest PMC.
> > So just do the normal pmc-subscribe@f.a.o method and then
> > we will handle the rest, acking you with board@ and adding
> > you to the committee list.
> 
> Wait a sec, this is a Cocoon Project decision (to make any committer 
> part of the PMC if he wants to), not of the Forrest Project.

I suppose that i was just assuming that everything was
like at Cocoon. There all committers can participate on
the PMC just by joining the list and the acknowledgement.

So sorry, i think that i botched my first assignment as the
new chair. Too eager, i should have asked Thorsten to wait.

I was frustrated too by the lack of progress on the guidelines.
Anyway, it is a good thing - it has sparked.

> Not that I would not want Thorsten in, but I would prefer we
> had a vote on this on our private PMC list.

Well we will need to talk about that procedure, hopefully ASF-wide.

-- 
David Crossley