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Posted to users@cocoon.apache.org by Mika M Lehtonen <mi...@digikartta.net> on 2012/11/14 21:21:47 UTC
Modular database actions
Hi,
I am using ye old modular database actions which in my opinion is
extremely handy "tool".
I was just wondering, how would I get some sort of a callback from e.g.
insert/update action in order to tell the user that his/her data is saved?
cheers,
- mika -
P.S. My two cents for the discussion, "Is Cocoon dead?". I have build
quite a large application with C2.1. I wanted to see, feel what it is
like to use database actions, XSP, CForms and so on. This is what I
observed.
1) First of all. Developing an app without some sort of an IDE is pain
in the ass. Debugging is almost impossible. No help with your "code". No
nothing.
2) Modular database actions is something like I said, I like.
3) XSP is super to some stage. I really like it, if taking its
restrictions into account. Say anything, I still like it.
4) CForms is a piece of shit hide behind nice curtains. Yeah, I know
this is harsh to say. Still, it is something I banged my head against
the wall all the time.
5) Jxtemplate and its relatives is hieroglyphic jargon. I wouldn't
recommended them to anyone.
6) Flowscript. I never realized why.
But the big question. How to do this all with C3. It's another kind of
framework? Don't even try to do this?
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Re: Modular database actions
Posted by mi...@digikartta.net.
New question:
"A successful action will return the number of rows affected in a
sitemap parameter named row-count."
How to get that parameter in Java. I tried this, nothing.
String rowcount = parameters.getParameter("row-count", null);
Do I have to set it somehow in sitemap like with map:parameter?
- mika -
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:58:19 +0200, Mika M Lehtonen
<mi...@digikartta.net> wrote:
> Answering to my own question,
> Q: "I was just wondering, how would I get some sort of a callback
> from e.g. insert/update action in order to tell the user that his/her
> data is saved?"
> A: "A successful action will return the number of rows affected in a
> sitemap parameter named row-count."
>
> - mika -
>
> 15.11.2012 2:37, gelo1234 kirjoitti:
>
> 3) I agree, XSP was very flexible and I do miss it in 2.2/3.x
> Cocoon. I wonder what kind of limits did you find in XSP ?
> Its pretty straightforward and very general in nature - you can put
> any kind of Java and mix&match with XML.
> Its auto-compiled into Java classes so you don't have to "redeploy"
> anything, while making quick change to the system.
> It saves us a hell lot of time. Yet, you do have a full insight into
> Java class source that was auto-generated from .xsp file.
> Cocoon assists you with exact line number of problematic code while
> debugging.
> You also have full cache support of XSP files and thus blazingly
> fast responses!
> I find only advantages and no limits actually, notwithstanding the
> model/view/controller "code blending", but its a kind
> of convention that you follow.
>
> What I dislike in the recent versions of Cocoon is its strict
> adherence to Spring framework and/or ORM/Hibernate. If you only use
> XML
> as native data format and only need native SQL transactions, why
> should you need any ORM ? ORM creates additional overhead
> in the system, another layer of "mapping" between your business
> logic and DB, another "impedance mismatch".
> If you really care about the performance, you need to consider very
> carefully your persistence logic.
> IMHO, we ought to have the option to use only those parts of API
> that we actually need.
>
> Greetings,
> Greg
>
> 2012/11/14 Mika M Lehtonen
> Hi,
> I am using ye old modular database actions which in my opinion is
> extremely handy "tool".
>
> I was just wondering, how would I get some sort of a callback from
> e.g. insert/update action in order to tell the user that his/her data
> is saved?
>
> cheers,
> - mika -
>
> P.S. My two cents for the discussion, "Is Cocoon dead?". I have
> build quite a large application with C2.1. I wanted to see, feel what
> it is like to use database actions, XSP, CForms and so on. This is
> what I observed.
> 1) First of all. Developing an app without some sort of an IDE is
> pain in the ass. Debugging is almost impossible. No help with your
> "code". No nothing.
> 2) Modular database actions is something like I said, I like.
> 3) XSP is super to some stage. I really like it, if taking its
> restrictions into account. Say anything, I still like it.
> 4) CForms is a piece of shit hide behind nice curtains. Yeah, I know
> this is harsh to say. Still, it is something I banged my head against
> the wall all the time.
> 5) Jxtemplate and its relatives is hieroglyphic jargon. I wouldn't
> recommended them to anyone.
> 6) Flowscript. I never realized why.
>
> But the big question. How to do this all with C3. It's another kind
> of framework? Don't even try to do this?
>
>
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Re: Modular database actions
Posted by Mika M Lehtonen <mi...@digikartta.net>.
Answering to my own question,
Q: "I was just wondering, how would I get some sort of a callback from
e.g. insert/update action in order to tell the user that his/her data is
saved?"
A: "A successful action will return the number of rows affected in a
sitemap parameter named row-count."
- mika -
15.11.2012 2:37, gelo1234 kirjoitti:
>
> 3) I agree, XSP was very flexible and I do miss it in 2.2/3.x Cocoon.
> I wonder what kind of limits did you find in XSP ?
> Its pretty straightforward and very general in nature - you can put
> any kind of Java and mix&match with XML.
> Its auto-compiled into Java classes so you don't have to "redeploy"
> anything, while making quick change to the system.
> It saves us a hell lot of time. Yet, you do have a full insight into
> Java class source that was auto-generated from .xsp file.
> Cocoon assists you with exact line number of problematic code while
> debugging.
> You also have full cache support of XSP files and thus blazingly fast
> responses!
> I find only advantages and no limits actually, notwithstanding the
> model/view/controller "code blending", but its a kind
> of convention that you follow.
>
> What I dislike in the recent versions of Cocoon is its strict
> adherence to Spring framework and/or ORM/Hibernate. If you only use XML
> as native data format and only need native SQL transactions, why
> should you need any ORM ? ORM creates additional overhead
> in the system, another layer of "mapping" between your business logic
> and DB, another "impedance mismatch".
> If you really care about the performance, you need to consider very
> carefully your persistence logic.
> IMHO, we ought to have the option to use only those parts of API that
> we actually need.
>
> Greetings,
> Greg
>
> 2012/11/14 Mika M Lehtonen <mika@digikartta.net
> <ma...@digikartta.net>>
>
> Hi,
> I am using ye old modular database actions which in my opinion is
> extremely handy "tool".
>
> I was just wondering, how would I get some sort of a callback from
> e.g. insert/update action in order to tell the user that his/her
> data is saved?
>
> cheers,
> - mika -
>
> P.S. My two cents for the discussion, "Is Cocoon dead?". I have
> build quite a large application with C2.1. I wanted to see, feel
> what it is like to use database actions, XSP, CForms and so on.
> This is what I observed.
> 1) First of all. Developing an app without some sort of an IDE is
> pain in the ass. Debugging is almost impossible. No help with your
> "code". No nothing.
> 2) Modular database actions is something like I said, I like.
> 3) XSP is super to some stage. I really like it, if taking its
> restrictions into account. Say anything, I still like it.
> 4) CForms is a piece of shit hide behind nice curtains. Yeah, I
> know this is harsh to say. Still, it is something I banged my head
> against the wall all the time.
> 5) Jxtemplate and its relatives is hieroglyphic jargon. I wouldn't
> recommended them to anyone.
> 6) Flowscript. I never realized why.
>
> But the big question. How to do this all with C3. It's another
> kind of framework? Don't even try to do this?
>
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Re: Modular database actions
Posted by gelo1234 <ge...@gmail.com>.
3) I agree, XSP was very flexible and I do miss it in 2.2/3.x Cocoon. I
wonder what kind of limits did you find in XSP ?
Its pretty straightforward and very general in nature - you can put any
kind of Java and mix&match with XML.
Its auto-compiled into Java classes so you don't have to "redeploy"
anything, while making quick change to the system.
It saves us a hell lot of time. Yet, you do have a full insight into Java
class source that was auto-generated from .xsp file.
Cocoon assists you with exact line number of problematic code while
debugging.
You also have full cache support of XSP files and thus blazingly fast
responses!
I find only advantages and no limits actually, notwithstanding the
model/view/controller "code blending", but its a kind
of convention that you follow.
What I dislike in the recent versions of Cocoon is its strict adherence to
Spring framework and/or ORM/Hibernate. If you only use XML
as native data format and only need native SQL transactions, why should you
need any ORM ? ORM creates additional overhead
in the system, another layer of "mapping" between your business logic and
DB, another "impedance mismatch".
If you really care about the performance, you need to consider very
carefully your persistence logic.
IMHO, we ought to have the option to use only those parts of API that we
actually need.
Greetings,
Greg
2012/11/14 Mika M Lehtonen <mi...@digikartta.net>
> Hi,
> I am using ye old modular database actions which in my opinion is
> extremely handy "tool".
>
> I was just wondering, how would I get some sort of a callback from e.g.
> insert/update action in order to tell the user that his/her data is saved?
>
> cheers,
> - mika -
>
> P.S. My two cents for the discussion, "Is Cocoon dead?". I have build
> quite a large application with C2.1. I wanted to see, feel what it is like
> to use database actions, XSP, CForms and so on. This is what I observed.
> 1) First of all. Developing an app without some sort of an IDE is pain in
> the ass. Debugging is almost impossible. No help with your "code". No
> nothing.
> 2) Modular database actions is something like I said, I like.
> 3) XSP is super to some stage. I really like it, if taking its
> restrictions into account. Say anything, I still like it.
> 4) CForms is a piece of shit hide behind nice curtains. Yeah, I know this
> is harsh to say. Still, it is something I banged my head against the wall
> all the time.
> 5) Jxtemplate and its relatives is hieroglyphic jargon. I wouldn't
> recommended them to anyone.
> 6) Flowscript. I never realized why.
>
> But the big question. How to do this all with C3. It's another kind of
> framework? Don't even try to do this?
>
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Re: Modular database actions
Posted by Christian Haul <c....@web.de>.
Am 14.11.2012 21:21, schrieb Mika M Lehtonen:
> Hi,
> I am using ye old modular database actions which in my opinion is
> extremely handy "tool".
>
> I was just wondering, how would I get some sort of a callback from e.g.
> insert/update action in order to tell the user that his/her data is saved?
>
Gee, I haven't used them myself for about a decade but IIRC if they fail
the nested pipeline parts are skipped which is true for all actions in
cocoon.
Chris.
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