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Posted to users@wicket.apache.org by Arje Cahn <a....@hippo.nl> on 2007/10/01 14:09:30 UTC
Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
Hi all,
Since it's been a bit quiet about the Amsterdam Meetup lately, I was thinking of simply proposing a date and a venue myself. Maybe I missed out on the conversation, in which case I apologize upfront!
By no means I'm trying to push this into a 'real conference' - these things grow over years!
But I do like to see this Meetup happen, because:
- I think it would be good to get 'The People Behind Wicket' on stage, while
allowing 'New People' to have their say as well, in an informal setting
- It's a good way of attracting non-incrowd people
- The ApacheCons and similar conferences have a too high barrier for people
that are interested in Wicket but do not know how to start. Of course,
the ApacheCon conference is an excellent way of broadening ones vision,
but for non-Apache people it's hard to dive into
- People who have not yet decided whether they want to use Wicket,
could be held back by a 'private' meetup. These people do not know the
community, and don't know what to expect. A more 'anonymous' (ie. bigger)
meetup could help lower the barrier and bring in new developers
- We need to close the gap between users and developers, and having them
all in one room helps
- Too many little meetups shatter the community instead of building it up
- It's an excellent environment to grow a network and a community
- There's already 28 people on the Wiki page, and this might grow even further
- Organizing the meetup in a 'neutral' environment ensures the community
stays neutral too
- And finally: it should be initiated, supported and organized by the
community itself
Covering the costs of such a meetup doesn't have to be hard. For the Cocoon GetTogether meetups, there's a 125 euro fee for three (3!) whole days. We do have some sponsors over there to cover for lunches and coffee and connectivity. If we allow sponsors for a Wicket meetup, I guess a one day event could easily be free for all attendees. On the other hand, if sponsors are a concern, then we could have all costs covered by a 50 euro fee or something.
The Apache Cocoon community has had a really good experience with Amsterdam as a venue location. It's very well-reachable from all around the world, and pretty affordable too.
Just to have something realistic to talk about - I apologize if I'm moving too fast here - I've called the Felix Meritis building to ask which rooms are available (and affordable!). The room can hold up to 50 people sitting at tables (with laptop and all), but we can scale up to 200 if we want :)
These dates would fit their schedule:
Friday November 23rd
Monday November 26th
Friday November 30th
Please note that these are weekdays. We could also try weekends if that's better.
We could also try combining this with a course from the London guys..
Let me know what others think....!
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Kind regards,
Arjé Cahn
Hippo
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Re: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
Perhaps make a difference between whole day, after lunch and after cup-a-soup?
On 10/5/07, Arje Cahn <a....@hippo.nl> wrote:
> BTW; I just added the proposed dates to the Wiki page. Please check which dates have your preference in the big table!
> Also, please state whether you prefer an evening session, a day in the weekend or whether you'd be able to attend during daytime (as in; skip work ;-) )
> Hopefully, that will help setting a real date..
>
> Thanks
>
> Arjé
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Arje Cahn [mailto:a.cahn@hippo.nl]
> > Sent: vrijdag 5 oktober 2007 11:29
> > To: users@wicket.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
> >
> > Excellent idea! I've added it to the Wiki page...:
> > http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/community-meetups.html
> >
> > Would be nice if we could add more ideas to the list.
> >
> > Personally, I would be very interested in discussing Wicket
> > plugin architectures, including (but definitely not limited to) OSGi.
> >
> > - Arjé Cahn
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Maurice Marrink [mailto:marrink@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: vrijdag 5 oktober 2007 11:09
> > > To: users@wicket.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
> > >
> > > I Like that idea, especially for all those wicket stuff
> > projects out
> > > there.
> > > If anyone has any questions / problems about / with wasp or
> > swarm they
> > > can not / will not ask on the mailing list, they are free
> > to ask me on
> > > the conference and I'll do my best assist them. If they bring there
> > > projects with them it will be even easier to do so.
> > >
> > > Maurice
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/5/07, Maeder Thomas <th...@ecofin.ch> wrote:
> > > > Just and idea....
> > > >
> > > > I used to work on Eclipse, and one cool thing (in my
> > > opinion) we did
> > > > at conferences were the so called "plugin clinics".
> > > Basically, there
> > > > would be a couple of commiters on hand in some conference
> > room for
> > > > about 2 hours in the evening and you could bring your
> > "sick" plugin
> > > > and we would help you with whatever trouble you had. It
> > was fun for
> > > > the committers because you could see what people were doing
> > > with your
> > > > stuff and it was great for the plugin developers because
> > > you could get
> > > > great advice for your concrete problems straight from the
> > > horses mouth.
> > > >
> > > > Thomas
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Erik van Oosten [mailto:e.vanoosten@chello.nl]
> > > > > Sent: Freitag, 5. Oktober 2007 00:46
> > > > > To: users@wicket.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
> > > > >
> > > > > Excellent! That is only 4 blocks from where I work :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, all those dates are fine by me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just an opinion: I do not expect any presentations; just a get
> > > > > together for a couple of hours is nice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Erik.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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RE: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
Posted by Arje Cahn <a....@hippo.nl>.
BTW; I just added the proposed dates to the Wiki page. Please check which dates have your preference in the big table!
Also, please state whether you prefer an evening session, a day in the weekend or whether you'd be able to attend during daytime (as in; skip work ;-) )
Hopefully, that will help setting a real date..
Thanks
Arjé
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arje Cahn [mailto:a.cahn@hippo.nl]
> Sent: vrijdag 5 oktober 2007 11:29
> To: users@wicket.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
>
> Excellent idea! I've added it to the Wiki page...:
> http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/community-meetups.html
>
> Would be nice if we could add more ideas to the list.
>
> Personally, I would be very interested in discussing Wicket
> plugin architectures, including (but definitely not limited to) OSGi.
>
> - Arjé Cahn
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Maurice Marrink [mailto:marrink@gmail.com]
> > Sent: vrijdag 5 oktober 2007 11:09
> > To: users@wicket.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
> >
> > I Like that idea, especially for all those wicket stuff
> projects out
> > there.
> > If anyone has any questions / problems about / with wasp or
> swarm they
> > can not / will not ask on the mailing list, they are free
> to ask me on
> > the conference and I'll do my best assist them. If they bring there
> > projects with them it will be even easier to do so.
> >
> > Maurice
> >
> >
> > On 10/5/07, Maeder Thomas <th...@ecofin.ch> wrote:
> > > Just and idea....
> > >
> > > I used to work on Eclipse, and one cool thing (in my
> > opinion) we did
> > > at conferences were the so called "plugin clinics".
> > Basically, there
> > > would be a couple of commiters on hand in some conference
> room for
> > > about 2 hours in the evening and you could bring your
> "sick" plugin
> > > and we would help you with whatever trouble you had. It
> was fun for
> > > the committers because you could see what people were doing
> > with your
> > > stuff and it was great for the plugin developers because
> > you could get
> > > great advice for your concrete problems straight from the
> > horses mouth.
> > >
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Erik van Oosten [mailto:e.vanoosten@chello.nl]
> > > > Sent: Freitag, 5. Oktober 2007 00:46
> > > > To: users@wicket.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
> > > >
> > > > Excellent! That is only 4 blocks from where I work :)
> > > >
> > > > Also, all those dates are fine by me.
> > > >
> > > > Just an opinion: I do not expect any presentations; just a get
> > > > together for a couple of hours is nice.
> > > >
> > > > Erik.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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RE: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
Posted by Arje Cahn <a....@hippo.nl>.
Excellent idea! I've added it to the Wiki page...:
http://cwiki.apache.org/WICKET/community-meetups.html
Would be nice if we could add more ideas to the list.
Personally, I would be very interested in discussing Wicket plugin architectures, including (but definitely not limited to) OSGi.
- Arjé Cahn
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maurice Marrink [mailto:marrink@gmail.com]
> Sent: vrijdag 5 oktober 2007 11:09
> To: users@wicket.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
>
> I Like that idea, especially for all those wicket stuff
> projects out there.
> If anyone has any questions / problems about / with wasp or
> swarm they can not / will not ask on the mailing list, they
> are free to ask me on the conference and I'll do my best
> assist them. If they bring there projects with them it will
> be even easier to do so.
>
> Maurice
>
>
> On 10/5/07, Maeder Thomas <th...@ecofin.ch> wrote:
> > Just and idea....
> >
> > I used to work on Eclipse, and one cool thing (in my
> opinion) we did
> > at conferences were the so called "plugin clinics".
> Basically, there
> > would be a couple of commiters on hand in some conference room for
> > about 2 hours in the evening and you could bring your "sick" plugin
> > and we would help you with whatever trouble you had. It was fun for
> > the committers because you could see what people were doing
> with your
> > stuff and it was great for the plugin developers because
> you could get
> > great advice for your concrete problems straight from the
> horses mouth.
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Erik van Oosten [mailto:e.vanoosten@chello.nl]
> > > Sent: Freitag, 5. Oktober 2007 00:46
> > > To: users@wicket.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
> > >
> > > Excellent! That is only 4 blocks from where I work :)
> > >
> > > Also, all those dates are fine by me.
> > >
> > > Just an opinion: I do not expect any presentations; just a get
> > > together for a couple of hours is nice.
> > >
> > > Erik.
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
Posted by Maurice Marrink <ma...@gmail.com>.
I Like that idea, especially for all those wicket stuff projects out there.
If anyone has any questions / problems about / with wasp or swarm they
can not / will not ask on the mailing list, they are free to ask me on
the conference and I'll do my best assist them. If they bring there
projects with them it will be even easier to do so.
Maurice
On 10/5/07, Maeder Thomas <th...@ecofin.ch> wrote:
> Just and idea....
>
> I used to work on Eclipse, and one cool thing (in my opinion) we did at
> conferences were the so called "plugin clinics". Basically, there would
> be a couple of commiters on hand in some conference room for about 2
> hours in the evening and you could bring your "sick" plugin and we would
> help you with whatever trouble you had. It was fun for the committers
> because you could see what people were doing with your stuff and it was
> great for the plugin developers because you could get great advice for
> your concrete problems straight from the horses mouth.
>
> Thomas
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erik van Oosten [mailto:e.vanoosten@chello.nl]
> > Sent: Freitag, 5. Oktober 2007 00:46
> > To: users@wicket.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
> >
> > Excellent! That is only 4 blocks from where I work :)
> >
> > Also, all those dates are fine by me.
> >
> > Just an opinion: I do not expect any presentations; just a
> > get together for a couple of hours is nice.
> >
> > Erik.
> >
>
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Re: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
Posted by Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>.
hey...if you know eclipse pretty well...we could use some help for the
wicket-bench plugin :)
-igor
On 10/5/07, Maeder Thomas <th...@ecofin.ch> wrote:
> Just and idea....
>
> I used to work on Eclipse, and one cool thing (in my opinion) we did at
> conferences were the so called "plugin clinics". Basically, there would
> be a couple of commiters on hand in some conference room for about 2
> hours in the evening and you could bring your "sick" plugin and we would
> help you with whatever trouble you had. It was fun for the committers
> because you could see what people were doing with your stuff and it was
> great for the plugin developers because you could get great advice for
> your concrete problems straight from the horses mouth.
>
> Thomas
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erik van Oosten [mailto:e.vanoosten@chello.nl]
> > Sent: Freitag, 5. Oktober 2007 00:46
> > To: users@wicket.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
> >
> > Excellent! That is only 4 blocks from where I work :)
> >
> > Also, all those dates are fine by me.
> >
> > Just an opinion: I do not expect any presentations; just a
> > get together for a couple of hours is nice.
> >
> > Erik.
> >
>
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RE: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
Posted by Maeder Thomas <th...@ecofin.ch>.
Just and idea....
I used to work on Eclipse, and one cool thing (in my opinion) we did at
conferences were the so called "plugin clinics". Basically, there would
be a couple of commiters on hand in some conference room for about 2
hours in the evening and you could bring your "sick" plugin and we would
help you with whatever trouble you had. It was fun for the committers
because you could see what people were doing with your stuff and it was
great for the plugin developers because you could get great advice for
your concrete problems straight from the horses mouth.
Thomas
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik van Oosten [mailto:e.vanoosten@chello.nl]
> Sent: Freitag, 5. Oktober 2007 00:46
> To: users@wicket.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
>
> Excellent! That is only 4 blocks from where I work :)
>
> Also, all those dates are fine by me.
>
> Just an opinion: I do not expect any presentations; just a
> get together for a couple of hours is nice.
>
> Erik.
>
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Re: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
Posted by Erik van Oosten <e....@chello.nl>.
Excellent! That is only 4 blocks from where I work :)
Also, all those dates are fine by me.
Just an opinion: I do not expect any presentations; just a get together
for a couple of hours is nice.
Erik.
--
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http://2008.rubyenrails.nl/
http://day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/
Arje Cahn schreef:
> Hi Johan, all,
>
>
>> i also have been asking around for a big room.
>> And Servoy is willing to sponser a big room if needed (if
>> there are really comming 30+ people)
>>
>
> That's excellent news! :)
>
> Do you think the dates and location I suggested will work?
>
> These are the dates I made a reservation for:
>
> Friday November 23rd
> Monday November 26th
> Friday November 30th
>
> I didn't book any rooms yet, I just called the venue to ask which dates are still open and block them in the meantime. When we say GO for any of these three days, they'll book it for us. However, if someone has a better idea, please speak up! :)
> The venue is right in the center of Amsterdam, http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Keizersgracht+324,+amsterdam&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=26.339531,58.710937&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1
>
>
> Arjé
>
>
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RE: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
Posted by Arje Cahn <a....@hippo.nl>.
Hi Johan, all,
> i also have been asking around for a big room.
> And Servoy is willing to sponser a big room if needed (if
> there are really comming 30+ people)
That's excellent news! :)
Do you think the dates and location I suggested will work?
These are the dates I made a reservation for:
Friday November 23rd
Monday November 26th
Friday November 30th
I didn't book any rooms yet, I just called the venue to ask which dates are still open and block them in the meantime. When we say GO for any of these three days, they'll book it for us. However, if someone has a better idea, please speak up! :)
The venue is right in the center of Amsterdam, http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Keizersgracht+324,+amsterdam&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=26.339531,58.710937&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1
Arjé
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Re: Wicket Meetup Amsterdam: a proposal
Posted by Johan Compagner <jc...@gmail.com>.
i also have been asking around for a big room.
And Servoy is willing to sponser a big room if needed (if there are really
comming 30+ people)
The problem is that the coming 2 weeks i can't do much about it because
first we (servoy) has its own conference next week (servoy world)
johan
On 10/1/07, Arje Cahn <a....@hippo.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Since it's been a bit quiet about the Amsterdam Meetup lately, I was
> thinking of simply proposing a date and a venue myself. Maybe I missed out
> on the conversation, in which case I apologize upfront!
>
> By no means I'm trying to push this into a 'real conference' - these
> things grow over years!
>
> But I do like to see this Meetup happen, because:
>
> - I think it would be good to get 'The People Behind Wicket' on stage,
> while
> allowing 'New People' to have their say as well, in an informal setting
> - It's a good way of attracting non-incrowd people
> - The ApacheCons and similar conferences have a too high barrier for
> people
> that are interested in Wicket but do not know how to start. Of course,
> the ApacheCon conference is an excellent way of broadening ones vision,
> but for non-Apache people it's hard to dive into
> - People who have not yet decided whether they want to use Wicket,
> could be held back by a 'private' meetup. These people do not know the
> community, and don't know what to expect. A more 'anonymous' (ie. bigger)
> meetup could help lower the barrier and bring in new developers
> - We need to close the gap between users and developers, and having them
> all in one room helps
> - Too many little meetups shatter the community instead of building it up
> - It's an excellent environment to grow a network and a community
> - There's already 28 people on the Wiki page, and this might grow even
> further
> - Organizing the meetup in a 'neutral' environment ensures the community
> stays neutral too
> - And finally: it should be initiated, supported and organized by the
> community itself
>
> Covering the costs of such a meetup doesn't have to be hard. For the
> Cocoon GetTogether meetups, there's a 125 euro fee for three (3!) whole
> days. We do have some sponsors over there to cover for lunches and coffee
> and connectivity. If we allow sponsors for a Wicket meetup, I guess a one
> day event could easily be free for all attendees. On the other hand, if
> sponsors are a concern, then we could have all costs covered by a 50 euro
> fee or something.
>
> The Apache Cocoon community has had a really good experience with
> Amsterdam as a venue location. It's very well-reachable from all around the
> world, and pretty affordable too.
>
> Just to have something realistic to talk about - I apologize if I'm moving
> too fast here - I've called the Felix Meritis building to ask which rooms
> are available (and affordable!). The room can hold up to 50 people sitting
> at tables (with laptop and all), but we can scale up to 200 if we want :)
>
> These dates would fit their schedule:
>
> Friday November 23rd
> Monday November 26th
> Friday November 30th
>
> Please note that these are weekdays. We could also try weekends if that's
> better.
> We could also try combining this with a course from the London guys..
>
> Let me know what others think....!
>
> ----
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Arjé Cahn
>
> Hippo
>
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