RE: keep up the great work!

[JM <jm...@telocity.com>]

Oops....sorry.

JM

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Husted [mailto:husted@apache.org]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:59 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: keep up the great work!
>
>
> I believe the best place to post general news items like this is the
> Jakarta General list.
>
> -Ted.
>
>
> JM wrote:
> >
> > Thought I would pass along the "news".
> >
> > JM
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: JM [mailto:jmitchtx@telocity.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:39 PM
> > > To: Tomcat Developers List
> > > Subject: RE: keep up the great work!
> > >
> > >
> > > I never believe news that people put in e-mails.
> > > So I had to find it myself.....and here it is...
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60050-2002May22.html
> > >
> > >
> > > I found this beauty also....
> > >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/2000-02/13/090r-021300-idx.html
> > >
> > > and this
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&co
> > > ntentId=A4
> > > 988-2002Apr6
> > >
> > >
> > > JM
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Takaoglu, Uzay [mailto:utakaoglu@syscom.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:03 AM
> > > > To: 'tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org'
> > > > Subject: keep up the great work!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Below is an article I got from Washington Post. Interesting
> > > > enough microsoft
> > > > is lobbying all the government agencies to quit using open source
> > > > S/W. Guess
> > > > what the government agencies said.
> > > >
> > > >     Simply the translation is  "f.. off" :).
> > > >
> > > > Keep up the great work people!
> > > >
> > > > Thank you all,
> > > >
> > > > Article is below:
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > ----------
> > > > -
> > > > Microsoft Corp. is aggressively lobbying the Pentagon to squelch
> > > > its growing
> > > > use of freely distributed computer software and switch to
> proprietary
> > > > systems such as those sold by the software giant, according
> to officials
> > > > familiar with the campaign.
> > > >
> > > >  In what one military source called a "barrage" of contacts
> > > with officials
> > > > at the Defense Information Systems Agency and the office of Defense
> > > > Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld over the past few months, the
> company said
> > > > "open source" software threatens  security and its intellectual
> > > property.
> > > >
> > > >  But the effort may have backfired. A May 10 report prepared for
> > > > the Defense
> > > > Department concluded that open source often results in more
> secure, less
> > > > expensive applications and that, if anything, its use should be
> > > expanded.
> > > >
> > > >  "Banning open source would have immediate, broad, and
> strongly negative
> > > > impacts on the ability of many sensitive and security-focused DOD
> > > > groups to
> > > > protect themselves against cyberattacks," said the report, by
> > > Mitre Corp.
> > > >
> > > >  A Microsoft Corp. spokesman acknowledged discussions between
> > > the company
> > > > and the Pentagon but denied urging a ban on open-source
> > > software. He also
> > > > said Microsoft did not focus on potential security flaws.
> > > >
> > > >  Spokesman Jon Murchinson said Microsoft has been talking about
> > > > how to allow
> > > > open-source and proprietary software to coexist. "Our goal
> is to resolve
> > > > difficult issues that are driving a wedge between the
> > > commercial and free
> > > > software models," he said.
> > > >
> > > >  John Stenbit, an assistant secretary of defense and the Defense
> > > > Department's chief information officer, said Microsoft has said
> > > using free
> > > > software with commercial software might violate the
> > > intellectual-property
> > > > rights of companies such as Microsoft. Stenbit said the
> issue is legally
> > > > "murky."
> > > >
> > > >  The company also complained that the Pentagon is funding
> > > > research on making
> > > > free software more secure, which in effect subsidizes Microsoft's
> > > > open-source competitors, Stenbit said.
> > > >
> > > >  Microsoft's push is a new front in a long-running company
> > > assault on the
> > > > open-source movement, which company officials have called
> "a cancer" and
> > > > un-American.
> > > >
> > > >  Software is designated open source when its underlying
> computer code is
> > > > available for anyone to license, enhance or customize, often at
> > > > no cost. The
> > > > theory is that by putting source code in the public domain,
> programmers
> > > > worldwide can improve software by sharing one another's work.
> > > >
> > > >  Vendors of the proprietary systems, such as Microsoft and
> Oracle Corp.,
> > > > keep their source codes secret, control changes to programs and
> > > > collect all
> > > > licensing fees for their use.
> > > >
> > > >  Government agencies use a patchwork of systems and software,  and
> > > > proprietary software is still the most widely used. But
> open source has
> > > > become more popular with businesses and government.
> > > >
> > > >  The Mitre Corp. report said open-source software "plays a
> more critical
> > > > role in the DOD than has been generally recognized."
> > > >
> > > >  The report identified 249 uses of open-source systems and tools,
> > > > including
> > > > running a Web portal for the Defense Intelligence Agency,
> > > running network
> > > > security for the Army command in Europe and support for
> > > numerous Air Force
> > > > Computer Network Defense tools.
> > > >
> > > >  Among the most high-profile efforts is research funded by
> the National
> > > > Security Agency to develop a more secure version of the
> > > open-source Linux
> > > > operating system, which competes with Microsoft's Windows.
> > > >
> > > >  The report said banning open-source software would drive up
> > > costs, though
> > > > it offered no specifics. Some government agencies have saved
> > > significantly
> > > > by using open source.
> > > >
> > > >  At the Census Bureau, programmers used open-source software to
> > > launch  a
> > > > Web site for obtaining federal statistics for $47,000,
> bureau officials
> > > > said. It would have cost $358,000 if proprietary software were
> > > used, they
> > > > said.
> > > >
> > > >  Microsoft has argued that some free-licensing regimes are
> > > antithetical to
> > > > the government's stated policy that moneymaking applications
> > > > should develop
> > > > from government-funded research, and that intellectual property
> > > should be
> > > > protected.
> > > >
> > > >  Microsoft also said open-source software is inherently less
> > > > secure because
> > > > the code is available for the world to examine for flaws, making
> > > > it possible
> > > > for hackers or criminals to exploit them. Proprietary software,
> > > > the company
> > > > argued, is more secure because of its closed nature.
> > > >
> > > >  "I've never seen a systematic study that showed open
> source to be more
> > > > secure," said Dorothy Denning, a professor of computer science at
> > > > Georgetown
> > > > University who specializes in information warfare.
> > > >
> > > >  Others argue that the flexibility provided by open-source
> software is
> > > > essential, enabling users to respond quickly to flaws that
> are found.
> > > >
> > > >  "With open source, there is no need to wait for a large
> > > software firm to
> > > > decide if a set of changes is in its best interests," said Eugene
> > > > Spafford,
> > > > a computer-science professor at Purdue University who specializes in
> > > > security.
> > > >
> > > >  Jonathan Shapiro, who teaches computer science at Johns Hopkins
> > > > University,
> > > > said: "There is data that when the customer can inspect the code
> > > > the vendor
> > > > is more responsive. . . . Microsoft is in a very weak position to
> > > > make this
> > > > argument. Whose software is the largest, most consistent source
> > > > of security
> > > > flaws? It's Microsoft."
> > > >
> > > >  Stenbit said the debate is academic and that what matters is
> > > how secure a
> > > > given piece of software is. To that end, the Defense
> Department is now
> > > > prohibited from purchasing any software that has not
> undergone security
> > > > testing by the NSA. Stenbit said he is unaware of any
> > > open-source software
> > > > that has been tested.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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RE: keep up the great work!

[Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>]

I believe it is not. This is off-topic. Try slashdot, newsforge,
whatever.

thanks!

- Leo

> > I believe the best place to post general news items like this is the
> > Jakarta General list.
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> > -Ted.
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> >
> > JM wrote:
> > >
> > > Thought I would pass along the "news".
> > >
> > > JM
> > > >
> > > > I never believe news that people put in e-mails.
> > > > So I had to find it myself.....and here it is...
> > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60050-2002May22.html



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