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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Lars Huttar <la...@sil.org> on 2011/07/18 23:49:16 UTC
Cocoon GetTogether?
As we've been talking about Cocoon "Do-ocracy" and community
contributions, my mind turns to my past attempts to help develop Cocoon,
and the vast gap that seems to yawn between me and being able to
contribute effectively. While I would love to be able to contribute,
there is quite a stack of technologies that seem to require mastery
first... e.g. Maven, Wicket, Spring...?
I suspect that much of this would be reduced if I could sit down and be
walked through a process with a knowledgeable person who can tell me
what I do and don't need to learn, and of whom I could ask targeted
questions.
And that leads me to ask, what are the possibilities of a Cocoon
GetTogether this year? next year?
(The sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned!)
AFAIK the last GT was in 2005? The hackathon sounded very productive.
Regards,
Lars
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 10:40 -0500, Peter Hunsberger wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Lars Huttar <la...@sil.org> wrote:
>
>
> I guess my main question is, how reliable is the Cocoon dev team's
> commitment to Cocoon 3.0? How likely are we to see a release version in
> the next 6 months to a year? Will there be bug-fix releases, or will 3.0
> be dropped in favor of another rewrite?
>
> Hi Lars, a couple of thoughts. I think C2.1 is pretty stable and as
> a result doesn't see a lot of activity. It is however still widely
> used. Personally, I hope to start a C3 project some time in the next
> year or so. Like any Open Source project it's as active and safe as
> the participants make it. If you see it as being attractive you
> should check it out and see to what extent it meets your needs and if
> it doesn't how much work you think it would take to get it where it
> needs to be. I suspect that for the XML pipeline world C3 is still
> more cost / time effective than a lot of other approaches. Also, C3
> seems to be slowly attracting more attention, I don't think it would
> take much to tip it over to being a pretty active project. It
> certainly isn't going anywhere!
>
>
> Actually since the end of the last year we at codeBusters are developing
> almost all new projects with c3 and are very happy to do so. ATM our
> main use is based on the REST module but we started as well to migrate
> different "old-school" components to c3 (see e.g. directoryGenerator
> r1142139 on the difference to the old-school one) and have some committs
> still to sync with trunk.
>
Re: Cocoon GetTogether?
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
really interesting, both dates and both places sound *really* good :)
Have a nice day!
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Jasha Joachimsthal
<j....@onehippo.com> wrote:
>
> On 19 July 2011 10:15, Thorsten Scherler <sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 08:42 +0200, Francesco Chicchiriccò wrote:
>> > On 19/07/2011 00:21, Torsten Curdt wrote:
>> > >> And that leads me to ask, what are the possibilities of a Cocoon
>> > >> GetTogether this year? next year?
>> > >> (The sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned!)
>> > >>
>> > >> AFAIK the last GT was in 2005? The hackathon sounded very productive.
>> > Last GT was in 2007, in Rome (I've found this old post from Jeroen Reijn
>> > [1], since the cocoongt.org domain seems to have passed to other
>> > hands...
>> > > GT have always been great events but do we have enough people that
>> > > would bother to come? ...and especially sponsors that see it
>> > > worthwhile?
>> > Hum, unfortunately I must agree with Torsten's doubts... Maybe we can
>> > rediscuss this proposal in a few months, WDYT?
>> >
>>
>> There is http://barcampspain.com/ at 8 of October. I will be there and
>> we could do some c3 work if people like to come to the south of spain.
>>
>> salu2
>>
>> >
>> > [1] http://blog.jeroenreijn.com/2007/09/cocoon-gt-2007-update.html
>> >
>
> There will also be a hackathon after GotoCon Amsterdam in the Hippo Office
> on October 15 :) http://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/AmsterdamHackathon2011
>
> Jasha Joachimsthal
> Europe - Amsterdam - Oosteinde 11, 1017 WT Amsterdam - +31(0)20 522 4466
> US - Boston - 1 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02142 - +1 877 414 4776 (toll free)
>
> www.onehippo.com
>
Re: Cocoon GetTogether?
Posted by Jasha Joachimsthal <j....@onehippo.com>.
On 19 July 2011 10:15, Thorsten Scherler <sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 08:42 +0200, Francesco Chicchiriccò wrote:
> > On 19/07/2011 00:21, Torsten Curdt wrote:
> > >> And that leads me to ask, what are the possibilities of a Cocoon
> > >> GetTogether this year? next year?
> > >> (The sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned!)
> > >>
> > >> AFAIK the last GT was in 2005? The hackathon sounded very productive.
> > Last GT was in 2007, in Rome (I've found this old post from Jeroen Reijn
> > [1], since the cocoongt.org domain seems to have passed to other
> hands...
> > > GT have always been great events but do we have enough people that
> > > would bother to come? ...and especially sponsors that see it
> > > worthwhile?
> > Hum, unfortunately I must agree with Torsten's doubts... Maybe we can
> > rediscuss this proposal in a few months, WDYT?
> >
>
> There is http://barcampspain.com/ at 8 of October. I will be there and
> we could do some c3 work if people like to come to the south of spain.
>
> salu2
>
> >
> > [1] http://blog.jeroenreijn.com/2007/09/cocoon-gt-2007-update.html
> >
>
There will also be a hackathon after GotoCon Amsterdam in the Hippo Office
on October 15 :) http://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/AmsterdamHackathon2011
Jasha Joachimsthal
Europe - Amsterdam - Oosteinde 11, 1017 WT Amsterdam - +31(0)20 522 4466
US - Boston - 1 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02142 - +1 877 414 4776 (toll free)
www.onehippo.com
Re: Cocoon GetTogether?
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <sc...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 08:42 +0200, Francesco Chicchiriccò wrote:
> On 19/07/2011 00:21, Torsten Curdt wrote:
> >> And that leads me to ask, what are the possibilities of a Cocoon
> >> GetTogether this year? next year?
> >> (The sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned!)
> >>
> >> AFAIK the last GT was in 2005? The hackathon sounded very productive.
> Last GT was in 2007, in Rome (I've found this old post from Jeroen Reijn
> [1], since the cocoongt.org domain seems to have passed to other hands...
> > GT have always been great events but do we have enough people that
> > would bother to come? ...and especially sponsors that see it
> > worthwhile?
> Hum, unfortunately I must agree with Torsten's doubts... Maybe we can
> rediscuss this proposal in a few months, WDYT?
>
There is http://barcampspain.com/ at 8 of October. I will be there and
we could do some c3 work if people like to come to the south of spain.
salu2
>
> [1] http://blog.jeroenreijn.com/2007/09/cocoon-gt-2007-update.html
>
--
Thorsten Scherler <thorsten.at.apache.org>
codeBusters S.L. - web based systems
<consulting, training and solutions>
http://www.codebusters.es/
Re: Cocoon GetTogether?
Posted by Francesco Chicchiriccò <il...@apache.org>.
On 19/07/2011 00:21, Torsten Curdt wrote:
>> And that leads me to ask, what are the possibilities of a Cocoon
>> GetTogether this year? next year?
>> (The sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned!)
>>
>> AFAIK the last GT was in 2005? The hackathon sounded very productive.
Last GT was in 2007, in Rome (I've found this old post from Jeroen Reijn
[1], since the cocoongt.org domain seems to have passed to other hands...
> GT have always been great events but do we have enough people that
> would bother to come? ...and especially sponsors that see it
> worthwhile?
Hum, unfortunately I must agree with Torsten's doubts... Maybe we can
rediscuss this proposal in a few months, WDYT?
[1] http://blog.jeroenreijn.com/2007/09/cocoon-gt-2007-update.html
--
Francesco Chicchiriccò
Apache Cocoon Committer and PMC Member
http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/
Re: Cocoon GetTogether?
Posted by Torsten Curdt <tc...@vafer.org>.
> And that leads me to ask, what are the possibilities of a Cocoon
> GetTogether this year? next year?
> (The sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned!)
>
> AFAIK the last GT was in 2005? The hackathon sounded very productive.
GT have always been great events but do we have enough people that
would bother to come? ...and especially sponsors that see it
worthwhile?
cheers,
Torsten
Re: Cocoon GetTogether?
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Francesco, you stole the words from my mouth :)
Arrosticini FTW :D
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Reinhard Pötz <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 08/04/2011 05:08 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
>>
>> Hi all guys and sorry for have overlooked that discussion.
>> A GT is what I really wish see realized :) I spoke also with Francesco
>> via chat and we both agreed/wish on give new energy to C3 promoting a
>> GT.
>>
>> I tried to go to Vienna last year to meet Reinhard and Steven, but
>> unfortunately didn't have enough budget to go (here in Italy salaries
>> are not at EU level - unless you are a Politician :P) :(
>>
>> I would like - just my wish - to propose the University of L'Aquila
>> (Italy) as next Cocoon3 GT for 2 main reason (3, since it is the city
>> when I was born :P ):
>>
>> * on April 6, 2009, it was partially destroyed by a earthquake[1] and
>> it's still in terrible conditions - so organizing a so great event
>> would hopefully attract the interest
>>
>> * because of it, the University lost a lot of students, we could
>> maybe help them attracting guys
>>
>> It is just a prototypal idea, I should speak with people I'm still in
>> touch there before doing a real proposal... anyway, how does it sound?
>> TIA, all the best!!!
>
> It would be great to have another CocoonGT in Italy. +1 from me!
>
> --
> Reinhard Pötz Founder & Managing Director, Indoqa and Deepsearch
> http://www.indoqa.com/people/reinhard-poetz.html
>
> Member of the Apache Software Foundation
> Apache Cocoon Committer, PMC member reinhard@apache.org
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Furthermore, I think Oracle has to honor the JSPA agreement.
> http://s.apache.org/JCPIsDead http://s.apache.org/tck-trap
>
Re: Cocoon GetTogether?
Posted by Reinhard Pötz <re...@apache.org>.
On 08/04/2011 05:08 PM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
> Hi all guys and sorry for have overlooked that discussion.
> A GT is what I really wish see realized :) I spoke also with Francesco
> via chat and we both agreed/wish on give new energy to C3 promoting a
> GT.
>
> I tried to go to Vienna last year to meet Reinhard and Steven, but
> unfortunately didn't have enough budget to go (here in Italy salaries
> are not at EU level - unless you are a Politician :P) :(
>
> I would like - just my wish - to propose the University of L'Aquila
> (Italy) as next Cocoon3 GT for 2 main reason (3, since it is the city
> when I was born :P ):
>
> * on April 6, 2009, it was partially destroyed by a earthquake[1] and
> it's still in terrible conditions - so organizing a so great event
> would hopefully attract the interest
>
> * because of it, the University lost a lot of students, we could
> maybe help them attracting guys
>
> It is just a prototypal idea, I should speak with people I'm still in
> touch there before doing a real proposal... anyway, how does it sound?
> TIA, all the best!!!
It would be great to have another CocoonGT in Italy. +1 from me!
--
Reinhard Pötz Founder & Managing Director, Indoqa and Deepsearch
http://www.indoqa.com/people/reinhard-poetz.html
Member of the Apache Software Foundation
Apache Cocoon Committer, PMC member reinhard@apache.org
________________________________________________________________________
Furthermore, I think Oracle has to honor the JSPA agreement.
http://s.apache.org/JCPIsDead http://s.apache.org/tck-trap
Re: Cocoon GetTogether?
Posted by Francesco Chicchiriccò <il...@apache.org>.
On 05/08/2011 12:01, Nathaniel, Alfred wrote:
> Please plan it as a 2-day event with a late morning start on day1 and an early afternoon finish on day2 that one can fly in and out with one overnight stay for the social GT.
I think this is a good suggestion: consider that you can reach L'Aquila
either by flying to Pescara or Rome, then by car or bus (approximatively
1 hour).
> NB traditional GT dinner is spare ribs. Do you have those in L'Aquila?
You can always find spare ribs if you are addicted enough :-P
Anyway, Abruzzo - the region in which L'Aquila [2] is - is known,
especially from its past, for Arrosticini [1]: I think you wouldn't
regret the change...
Cheers.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrosticini
[2] http://en.wikimedia.org/wiki/L%27Aquila
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francesco Chicchiriccò [mailto:ilgrosso@apache.org]
> Sent: Freitag, 5. August 2011 08:14
> To: dev@cocoon.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Cocoon GetTogether?
>
> Hi Simone,
> as per our recent discussion about this topic, I would personally love
> this Cocoon GT in L'Aquila :-)
>
> If other people agree, I can of course help organizing, either
> personally and by contacting some people at the University - it has been
> my University too :-P.
>
> Gents, WDYT?
>
>
> The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the person addressed.
> If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately.
> Thank you.
--
Francesco Chicchiriccò
Apache Cocoon Committer and PMC Member
http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/
RE: Cocoon GetTogether?
Posted by "Nathaniel, Alfred" <Al...@six-group.com>.
Please plan it as a 2-day event with a late morning start on day1 and
an early afternoon finish on day2 that one can fly in and out with
one overnight stay for the social GT.
NB traditional GT dinner is spare ribs. Do you have those in L'Aquila?
Cheers, Alfred.
-----Original Message-----
From: Francesco Chicchiriccò [mailto:ilgrosso@apache.org]
Sent: Freitag, 5. August 2011 08:14
To: dev@cocoon.apache.org
Subject: Re: Cocoon GetTogether?
Hi Simone,
as per our recent discussion about this topic, I would personally love
this Cocoon GT in L'Aquila :-)
If other people agree, I can of course help organizing, either
personally and by contacting some people at the University - it has been
my University too :-P.
Gents, WDYT?
The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the person addressed.
If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately.
Thank you.
Re: Cocoon GetTogether?
Posted by Francesco Chicchiriccò <il...@apache.org>.
On 04/08/2011 17:08, Simone Tripodi wrote:
> Hi all guys and sorry for have overlooked that discussion.
> A GT is what I really wish see realized :) I spoke also with Francesco via chat and we both agreed/wish on give new energy to C3 promoting a GT.
>
> I tried to go to Vienna last year to meet Reinhard and Steven, but unfortunately didn't have enough budget to go (here in Italy salaries are not at EU level - unless you are a Politician :P) :(
>
> I would like - just my wish - to propose the University of L'Aquila (Italy) as next Cocoon3 GT for 2 main reason (3, since it is the city when I was born :P ):
>
> * on April 6, 2009, it was partially destroyed by a earthquake[1] and it's still in terrible conditions - so organizing a so great event would hopefully attract the interest
>
> * because of it, the University lost a lot of students, we could maybe help them attracting guys
>
> It is just a prototypal idea, I should speak with people I'm still in touch there before doing a real proposal... anyway, how does it sound?
Hi Simone,
as per our recent discussion about this topic, I would personally love
this Cocoon GT in L'Aquila :-)
If other people agree, I can of course help organizing, either
personally and by contacting some people at the University - it has been
my University too :-P.
Gents, WDYT?
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Lars Huttar<la...@sil.org> wrote:
>> On 7/18/2011 4:49 PM, Lars Huttar wrote:
>>> As we've been talking about Cocoon "Do-ocracy" and community
>>> contributions, my mind turns to my past attempts to help develop Cocoon,
>>> and the vast gap that seems to yawn between me and being able to
>>> contribute effectively. While I would love to be able to contribute,
>>> there is quite a stack of technologies that seem to require mastery
>>> first... e.g. Maven, Wicket, Spring...?
>>>
>>> I suspect that much of this would be reduced if I could sit down and be
>>> walked through a process with a knowledgeable person who can tell me
>>> what I do and don't need to learn, and of whom I could ask targeted
>>> questions.
>>>
>>> And that leads me to ask, what are the possibilities of a Cocoon
>>> GetTogether this year? next year?
>>> (The sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned!)
>>>
>>> AFAIK the last GT was in 2005? The hackathon sounded very productive.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lars
>> (Sorry for not replying directly to others' replies, but I don't seem to
>> be receiving them in my inbox (I read them at
>> http://cocoon.markmail.org/search/?q=#query:+page:1+mid:yucxttvietp2ukac+state:results).)
>>
>> Given that there may not be enough people and sponsorship for a Cocoon
>> GT, what about some kind of virtual GT?
>> I.e. a concentrated time of group web presence.
>>
>> We could still have presentations, Q&A, hackathon, maybe using audio
>> channel such as Blink/Mumble/TeamSpeak...
>>
>> For me, the most valuable part would be a tutorial on getting up to
>> speed on Cocoon development... with the minimum grounding in
>> Maven/Wicket/Spring/Java servlet technologies required, and with plenty
>> of opportunity to ask questions. A couple of simple "hello world"
>> tutorials would be worth a lot.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lars
--
Francesco Chicchiriccò
Apache Cocoon Committer and PMC Member
http://people.apache.org/~ilgrosso/
Re: Cocoon GetTogether?
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi all guys and sorry for have overlooked that discussion.
A GT is what I really wish see realized :) I spoke also with Francesco
via chat and we both agreed/wish on give new energy to C3 promoting a
GT.
I tried to go to Vienna last year to meet Reinhard and Steven, but
unfortunately didn't have enough budget to go (here in Italy salaries
are not at EU level - unless you are a Politician :P) :(
I would like - just my wish - to propose the University of L'Aquila
(Italy) as next Cocoon3 GT for 2 main reason (3, since it is the city
when I was born :P ):
* on April 6, 2009, it was partially destroyed by a earthquake[1] and
it's still in terrible conditions - so organizing a so great event
would hopefully attract the interest
* because of it, the University lost a lot of students, we could
maybe help them attracting guys
It is just a prototypal idea, I should speak with people I'm still in
touch there before doing a real proposal... anyway, how does it sound?
TIA, all the best!!!
Simo
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_L'Aquila_earthquake
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Lars Huttar <la...@sil.org> wrote:
> On 7/18/2011 4:49 PM, Lars Huttar wrote:
>> As we've been talking about Cocoon "Do-ocracy" and community
>> contributions, my mind turns to my past attempts to help develop Cocoon,
>> and the vast gap that seems to yawn between me and being able to
>> contribute effectively. While I would love to be able to contribute,
>> there is quite a stack of technologies that seem to require mastery
>> first... e.g. Maven, Wicket, Spring...?
>>
>> I suspect that much of this would be reduced if I could sit down and be
>> walked through a process with a knowledgeable person who can tell me
>> what I do and don't need to learn, and of whom I could ask targeted
>> questions.
>>
>> And that leads me to ask, what are the possibilities of a Cocoon
>> GetTogether this year? next year?
>> (The sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned!)
>>
>> AFAIK the last GT was in 2005? The hackathon sounded very productive.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lars
>>
>
> (Sorry for not replying directly to others' replies, but I don't seem to
> be receiving them in my inbox (I read them at
> http://cocoon.markmail.org/search/?q=#query:+page:1+mid:yucxttvietp2ukac+state:results).)
>
> Given that there may not be enough people and sponsorship for a Cocoon
> GT, what about some kind of virtual GT?
> I.e. a concentrated time of group web presence.
>
> We could still have presentations, Q&A, hackathon, maybe using audio
> channel such as Blink/Mumble/TeamSpeak...
>
> For me, the most valuable part would be a tutorial on getting up to
> speed on Cocoon development... with the minimum grounding in
> Maven/Wicket/Spring/Java servlet technologies required, and with plenty
> of opportunity to ask questions. A couple of simple "hello world"
> tutorials would be worth a lot.
>
> Regards,
> Lars
>
>
>
>
Re: Cocoon GetTogether?
Posted by Lars Huttar <la...@sil.org>.
On 7/18/2011 4:49 PM, Lars Huttar wrote:
> As we've been talking about Cocoon "Do-ocracy" and community
> contributions, my mind turns to my past attempts to help develop Cocoon,
> and the vast gap that seems to yawn between me and being able to
> contribute effectively. While I would love to be able to contribute,
> there is quite a stack of technologies that seem to require mastery
> first... e.g. Maven, Wicket, Spring...?
>
> I suspect that much of this would be reduced if I could sit down and be
> walked through a process with a knowledgeable person who can tell me
> what I do and don't need to learn, and of whom I could ask targeted
> questions.
>
> And that leads me to ask, what are the possibilities of a Cocoon
> GetTogether this year? next year?
> (The sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned!)
>
> AFAIK the last GT was in 2005? The hackathon sounded very productive.
>
> Regards,
> Lars
>
(Sorry for not replying directly to others' replies, but I don't seem to
be receiving them in my inbox (I read them at
http://cocoon.markmail.org/search/?q=#query:+page:1+mid:yucxttvietp2ukac+state:results).)
Given that there may not be enough people and sponsorship for a Cocoon
GT, what about some kind of virtual GT?
I.e. a concentrated time of group web presence.
We could still have presentations, Q&A, hackathon, maybe using audio
channel such as Blink/Mumble/TeamSpeak...
For me, the most valuable part would be a tutorial on getting up to
speed on Cocoon development... with the minimum grounding in
Maven/Wicket/Spring/Java servlet technologies required, and with plenty
of opportunity to ask questions. A couple of simple "hello world"
tutorials would be worth a lot.
Regards,
Lars