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Posted to dev@jspwiki.apache.org by Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com> on 2013/06/15 15:33:22 UTC

Switch website ChangeLog to a link to our SVN file?

Hi JP, our website ChangeLog has fallen out of date: 
http://incubator.apache.org/jspwiki/development/changelog.html Again, 
can we just switch to a link to our SVN repository of the changelog file 
( 
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/jspwiki/trunk/ChangeLog?view=co) 
so it's always up-to-date 24/7?  That should be sufficient, given that 
the vast majority of Apache projects don't even bother linking to a 
changelog file to begin with.  I don't see the project as having the 
time or resources for busywork secretarial tasks like maintaining two 
ChangeLog files.  The time you have been devoting to this in order to 
have a HTML change log that looks 10% better seems to well failing 
cost/benefit analysis, especially since it's even out-of-date, so now 
it's *worse* than just directly linking to SVN.

Thanks,
Glen

<http://incubator.apache.org/jspwiki/development/changelog.html>

Re: Switch website ChangeLog to a link to our SVN file?

Posted by Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com>.
Sounds good, I'll happily switch to the link to the SVN changelog, and 
keep quiet about it and hope you never get around to doing the second 
part.  :)

I still think you're adding more complexity for something that won't 
gain that much more benefit, however the idea you're planning (svn 
commits automatically updating the website) could be useful for other 
things, so if you want to guinea pig the Change Log page I guess that's 
OK.  However, I'm not sure we would want to link website updates and the 
running of SiteGeneratorTest (if I understand you correctly), as mvn 
test -Dtest=SiteGeneratorTest has so far for me been a common command to 
run, I don't think we'd want the website to update on account of anybody 
running that command (if that's your plan).  Perhaps using the 
maven-exec-plugin to run a separate class (outside the tests) would be a 
cleaner implementation.

Glen

On 06/15/2013 10:38 AM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote:
> Hi,
>
> my idea was to move the site as another submodule, so every time a mvn
> clean install is done, the site would keep updated b/c of SiteGeneratorTest
> (there's a infra's JIRA on this, but I feel I'd better move that with
> build@a.o). OTOH, I agree that linking directly to svn's changelog is way
> better than having oudated info / manually repopulating the site
>
> I'm having a sprained shoulder, so I'm somewhat limited when coding,
> probably until next week, but let's do this: let's link to svn's changelog
> right now so we display updated information. In the meantime, I'll make the
> appropiate changes to automatically populate the site so we can have both a
> nice and automatically up to date changelog page (the idea behind this was
> to give contributions/contributors more visibility). Sounds reasonable?
>
>
> rgrds,
> juan pablo
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Glen,
>>
>> can't remember why we wanted this link , but a direct link to the svn
>> changelog file looks better to me too.
>>
>> regards,
>> Harry
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15 June 2013 15:33, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi JP, our website ChangeLog has fallen out of date:
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/**jspwiki/development/changelog.**html<
>> http://incubator.apache.org/jspwiki/development/changelog.html>Again, can
>> we just switch to a link to our SVN repository of the changelog
>>> file ( http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**incubator/jspwiki/trunk/**
>>> ChangeLog?view=co<
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/jspwiki/trunk/ChangeLog?view=co>)
>>> so it's always up-to-date 24/7?  That should be sufficient, given that
>> the
>>> vast majority of Apache projects don't even bother linking to a changelog
>>> file to begin with.  I don't see the project as having the time or
>>> resources for busywork secretarial tasks like maintaining two ChangeLog
>>> files.  The time you have been devoting to this in order to have a HTML
>>> change log that looks 10% better seems to well failing cost/benefit
>>> analysis, especially since it's even out-of-date, so now it's *worse*
>> than
>>> just directly linking to SVN.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Glen
>>>
>>> <http://incubator.apache.org/**jspwiki/development/changelog.**html<
>> http://incubator.apache.org/jspwiki/development/changelog.html>

Re: Switch website ChangeLog to a link to our SVN file?

Posted by Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,

my idea was to move the site as another submodule, so every time a mvn
clean install is done, the site would keep updated b/c of SiteGeneratorTest
(there's a infra's JIRA on this, but I feel I'd better move that with
build@a.o). OTOH, I agree that linking directly to svn's changelog is way
better than having oudated info / manually repopulating the site

I'm having a sprained shoulder, so I'm somewhat limited when coding,
probably until next week, but let's do this: let's link to svn's changelog
right now so we display updated information. In the meantime, I'll make the
appropiate changes to automatically populate the site so we can have both a
nice and automatically up to date changelog page (the idea behind this was
to give contributions/contributors more visibility). Sounds reasonable?


rgrds,
juan pablo

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Glen,
>
> can't remember why we wanted this link , but a direct link to the svn
> changelog file looks better to me too.
>
> regards,
> Harry
>
>
>
> On 15 June 2013 15:33, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi JP, our website ChangeLog has fallen out of date:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/**jspwiki/development/changelog.**html<
> http://incubator.apache.org/jspwiki/development/changelog.html>Again, can
> we just switch to a link to our SVN repository of the changelog
> > file ( http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**incubator/jspwiki/trunk/**
> > ChangeLog?view=co<
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/jspwiki/trunk/ChangeLog?view=co>)
> > so it's always up-to-date 24/7?  That should be sufficient, given that
> the
> > vast majority of Apache projects don't even bother linking to a changelog
> > file to begin with.  I don't see the project as having the time or
> > resources for busywork secretarial tasks like maintaining two ChangeLog
> > files.  The time you have been devoting to this in order to have a HTML
> > change log that looks 10% better seems to well failing cost/benefit
> > analysis, especially since it's even out-of-date, so now it's *worse*
> than
> > just directly linking to SVN.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Glen
> >
> > <http://incubator.apache.org/**jspwiki/development/changelog.**html<
> http://incubator.apache.org/jspwiki/development/changelog.html>
> > >
> >
>

Re: Switch website ChangeLog to a link to our SVN file?

Posted by Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>.
Glen,

can't remember why we wanted this link , but a direct link to the svn
changelog file looks better to me too.

regards,
Harry



On 15 June 2013 15:33, Glen Mazza <gl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi JP, our website ChangeLog has fallen out of date:
> http://incubator.apache.org/**jspwiki/development/changelog.**html<http://incubator.apache.org/jspwiki/development/changelog.html>Again, can we just switch to a link to our SVN repository of the changelog
> file ( http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**incubator/jspwiki/trunk/**
> ChangeLog?view=co<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/jspwiki/trunk/ChangeLog?view=co>)
> so it's always up-to-date 24/7?  That should be sufficient, given that the
> vast majority of Apache projects don't even bother linking to a changelog
> file to begin with.  I don't see the project as having the time or
> resources for busywork secretarial tasks like maintaining two ChangeLog
> files.  The time you have been devoting to this in order to have a HTML
> change log that looks 10% better seems to well failing cost/benefit
> analysis, especially since it's even out-of-date, so now it's *worse* than
> just directly linking to SVN.
>
> Thanks,
> Glen
>
> <http://incubator.apache.org/**jspwiki/development/changelog.**html<http://incubator.apache.org/jspwiki/development/changelog.html>
> >
>