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Posted to dev@reef.apache.org by Byung-Gon Chun <bg...@gmail.com> on 2015/09/01 01:17:28 UTC
Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Markus,
How do we proceed? Do we wait to gather more feedback or go for voting?
Thanks.
-Gon
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Yunseong Lee <yu...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thanks for the summary, Markus!
>
> I agree that it's time for us to prepare the graduation.
>
> Regards,
> Yunseong
>
>
> 2015년 8월 31일 (월) 오전 10:41, John Yang <jo...@gmail.com>님이 작성:
>
> > Thanks Markus for the great summary!
> > I'm also +1 on working towards graduation.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> > > +1 I think you guys are def ready to graduate and would have my
> > > full support. Cheers!
> > >
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > > Chief Architect
> > > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > > Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Markus Weimer <ma...@weimo.de>
> > > Reply-To: "dev@reef.incubator.apache.org" <
> dev@reef.incubator.apache.org
> > >
> > > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 3:18 PM
> > > To: REEF Developers Mailinglist <de...@reef.incubator.apache.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
> > >
> > > >Thanks for the vote of confidence, Chris!
> > > >
> > > >And, as you suggested, let's broaden this discussion to the dev list.
> > > >
> > > >Markus
> > > >
> > > >On 2015-08-18 15:06, Chris Douglas wrote:
> > > >> I think REEF is ready to graduate.
> > > >>
> > > >> This thread could be on dev@, rather than private@. -C
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Byung-Gon Chun <bg...@gmail.com>
> > > >>wrote:
> > > >>> Hi Markus,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thank you for initiating this discussion!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This's a nice summary. I agree with your assessment.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Mentors, are we missing anything to graduate from the Incubator?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks!
> > > >>> -Gon
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Markus Weimer <ma...@weimo.de>
> > > >>>wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> with another member joining us and another release done, it is a
> > good
> > > >>>> time to consider the question of whether we are ready to
> graduate.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Which in turn means that we have to decide what it means to be
> > "ready
> > > >>>>to
> > > >>>> graduate". In order to frame my thinking around this, I consulted
> > the
> > > >>>> Apache Project Maturity Model[0]. I believe we measure up quite
> > nicely
> > > >>>> against that checklist, with the following possible exceptions:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> * CD50: This could suggest to sign each individual commit, which
> > we
> > > >>>> don't do. I don't think this is what is intended, so we
> > are
> > > >>>> good :-)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> * LC30: We depend on Visual Studio's unit testing framework,
> which
> > > >>>>is
> > > >>>> not OSS. However, we are considering moving away from it
> > > >>>> anyhow. Also, this is probably covered by using "widely
> > > >>>> available standard tool" for the build.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> * QU30: What's our channel? The dev list? I'd be OK with that.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> * CO50: We haven't documented the process for becoming a
> committer
> > > >>>> yet. This is something we probably should tackle.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> * CS30: I don't think we have documented our voting rules
> > anywhere.
> > > >>>> So far, I believe we made them up along the way? Can we
> > > >>>> steal, ahm, borrow them from a more mature project?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> * CS50: Working on it :-) More seriously, though: Our bipolar
> > > >>>> structure lends itself to lots of offline discussions on
> > > >>>> either side of the Pacific. Not sure how to overcome
> that
> > > >>>> other than being constantly reminded to write things
> down.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Besides the voting and committer process documentation issues
> above,
> > > >>>>we
> > > >>>> seem to be in pretty good shape.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thoughts / Comments?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Markus
> > > >>>> ---
> > > >>>> [0]:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
> http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.ht
> > > >>>>ml
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Byung-Gon Chun
> > >
> > >
> >
>
--
Byung-Gon Chun
Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Posted by Byung-Gon Chun <bg...@gmail.com>.
That sounds great.
Let's keep this momentum!
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Markus Weimer <ma...@weimo.de> wrote:
> On 2015-09-28 16:24, Byung-Gon Chun wrote:
> > I added myself to the list. :)
>
> Good. Shall we set a deadline for this process to conclude? E.g. 1 week?
>
> Markus
>
--
Byung-Gon Chun
Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Posted by Markus Weimer <ma...@weimo.de>.
On 2015-09-28 16:24, Byung-Gon Chun wrote:
> I added myself to the list. :)
Good. Shall we set a deadline for this process to conclude? E.g. 1 week?
Markus
Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Posted by Byung-Gon Chun <bg...@gmail.com>.
Thanks, Markus!
I added myself to the list. :)
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Markus Weimer <ma...@weimo.de> wrote:
> I've created the graduation resolution here:
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/REEF/Resolution+to+establish+Apache+REEF
>
> Considering our prior discussions on the subject of PMC membership, I
> left it essentially empty with the idea that everyone who wants to
> be on the PMC shall add themselves. So:
>
> ** Committers and mentors, please go to that page and add yourself to
> the PMC if you want to be a part of it. **
>
> That is, unless anyone objects to this approach to forming a PMC :-)
>
> Markus
>
--
Byung-Gon Chun
Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Posted by Markus Weimer <ma...@weimo.de>.
I've created the graduation resolution here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/REEF/Resolution+to+establish+Apache+REEF
Considering our prior discussions on the subject of PMC membership, I
left it essentially empty with the idea that everyone who wants to
be on the PMC shall add themselves. So:
** Committers and mentors, please go to that page and add yourself to
the PMC if you want to be a part of it. **
That is, unless anyone objects to this approach to forming a PMC :-)
Markus
Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Posted by Markus Weimer <ma...@weimo.de>.
On 2015-09-19 20:28, Byung-Gon Chun wrote:
> Markus, could you do the honour of moving to the next step? Since you have
> a trip to Europe, it'd be great to get this process done before your trip.
Let's figure out what we need to do next, then :-)
The graduation guide[0] has a checklist for this process. Step 1 seems
to be done (the mentors encouraged us to graduate). Step 2 is about the
destination of REEF. I assume we are going after TLP. If not, please
speak up. The next step is to draft a resolution. That contains the PMC
members. I'll draft one and put it up on our wiki.
Markus
---
[0]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Posted by Byung-Gon Chun <bg...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
About 2 1/2 weeks have passed. It seems that we are in agreement. No one
really opposed. :)
Markus, could you do the honour of moving to the next step? Since you have
a trip to Europe, it'd be great to get this process done before your trip.
:)
Thanks.
-Gon
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Byung-Gon Chun <bg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That sounds fine by me.
>
> Thanks.
> -Gon
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 1:31 AM, Markus Weimer <ma...@weimo.de> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-08-31 23:43, Brian Cho wrote:
>> > One suggestion is we keep all current PPMC members as committers. For
>> the
>> > PMC we include mentors and PPMC members who were active during
>> incubation.
>>
>> That sounds good. However, I'd like to be inclusive to current PPMC
>> members who haven't been active during incubation, yet want to be more
>> active in the future. One way to include them is to allow some gracious
>> window (e.g. 2 weeks) before calling the [VOTE] on graduation for them
>> to notify the list.
>>
>> Markus
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Byung-Gon Chun
>
--
Byung-Gon Chun
Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Posted by Byung-Gon Chun <bg...@gmail.com>.
That sounds fine by me.
Thanks.
-Gon
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 1:31 AM, Markus Weimer <ma...@weimo.de> wrote:
> On 2015-08-31 23:43, Brian Cho wrote:
> > One suggestion is we keep all current PPMC members as committers. For the
> > PMC we include mentors and PPMC members who were active during
> incubation.
>
> That sounds good. However, I'd like to be inclusive to current PPMC
> members who haven't been active during incubation, yet want to be more
> active in the future. One way to include them is to allow some gracious
> window (e.g. 2 weeks) before calling the [VOTE] on graduation for them
> to notify the list.
>
> Markus
>
>
--
Byung-Gon Chun
Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Posted by Andrew Chung <af...@gmail.com>.
+1 and +1 as well.
Thanks,
Andrew
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Julia Wang (QIUHE) <
Qiuhe.Wang@microsoft.com> wrote:
> +1 for graduation and +1 for Markus to be the first chair of the project.
>
> A few questions:
>
> -After graduate, will vote process get changed for releases?
> -Technically what do we need to do, repository, version, etc. to remove
> incubating?
> -Do we still have mentor?
>
> Thanks,
> Julia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hiren patel [mailto:lordofcs@outlook.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 10:46 AM
> To: dev@reef.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
>
> +1 to graduateI would also nominate Markus to be the first chair of the
> +project
>
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
> > To: dev@reef.incubator.apache.org
> > From: markus@weimo.de
> > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 09:31:00 -0700
> >
> > On 2015-08-31 23:43, Brian Cho wrote:
> > > One suggestion is we keep all current PPMC members as committers.
> > > For the PMC we include mentors and PPMC members who were active during
> incubation.
> >
> > That sounds good. However, I'd like to be inclusive to current PPMC
> > members who haven't been active during incubation, yet want to be more
> > active in the future. One way to include them is to allow some
> > gracious window (e.g. 2 weeks) before calling the [VOTE] on graduation
> > for them to notify the list.
> >
> > Markus
> >
>
>
RE: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Posted by "Julia Wang (QIUHE)" <Qi...@microsoft.com>.
+1 for graduation and +1 for Markus to be the first chair of the project.
A few questions:
-After graduate, will vote process get changed for releases?
-Technically what do we need to do, repository, version, etc. to remove incubating?
-Do we still have mentor?
Thanks,
Julia
-----Original Message-----
From: hiren patel [mailto:lordofcs@outlook.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 10:46 AM
To: dev@reef.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
+1 to graduateI would also nominate Markus to be the first chair of the
+project
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
> To: dev@reef.incubator.apache.org
> From: markus@weimo.de
> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 09:31:00 -0700
>
> On 2015-08-31 23:43, Brian Cho wrote:
> > One suggestion is we keep all current PPMC members as committers.
> > For the PMC we include mentors and PPMC members who were active during incubation.
>
> That sounds good. However, I'd like to be inclusive to current PPMC
> members who haven't been active during incubation, yet want to be more
> active in the future. One way to include them is to allow some
> gracious window (e.g. 2 weeks) before calling the [VOTE] on graduation
> for them to notify the list.
>
> Markus
>
RE: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Posted by hiren patel <lo...@outlook.com>.
+1 to graduateI would also nominate Markus to be the first chair of the project
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
> To: dev@reef.incubator.apache.org
> From: markus@weimo.de
> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 09:31:00 -0700
>
> On 2015-08-31 23:43, Brian Cho wrote:
> > One suggestion is we keep all current PPMC members as committers. For the
> > PMC we include mentors and PPMC members who were active during incubation.
>
> That sounds good. However, I'd like to be inclusive to current PPMC
> members who haven't been active during incubation, yet want to be more
> active in the future. One way to include them is to allow some gracious
> window (e.g. 2 weeks) before calling the [VOTE] on graduation for them
> to notify the list.
>
> Markus
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Posted by Markus Weimer <ma...@weimo.de>.
On 2015-08-31 23:43, Brian Cho wrote:
> One suggestion is we keep all current PPMC members as committers. For the
> PMC we include mentors and PPMC members who were active during incubation.
That sounds good. However, I'd like to be inclusive to current PPMC
members who haven't been active during incubation, yet want to be more
active in the future. One way to include them is to allow some gracious
window (e.g. 2 weeks) before calling the [VOTE] on graduation for them
to notify the list.
Markus
Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Posted by Brian Cho <ch...@gmail.com>.
+1 for Markus being our first chair!
One suggestion is we keep all current PPMC members as committers. For the
PMC we include mentors and PPMC members who were active during incubation.
It would be nice to start with an active PMC, in the hope that things stay
that way for as long as possible ;)
Thanks,
Brian
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Byung-Gon Chun <bg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Chris!
>
> I'd like to nominate Markus to be the first chair of the project. :)
>
> I'd love to have mentors as PMC members. :)
> I'd also like to hear about how to the initial PMC from the current PPMC
> members; I want to be inclusive, but some PPMC members didn't show any
> activities during the incubation period.
>
> Cheers,
> Gon
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> > Generally the way to proceed is as follows:
> >
> > 1. [DISCUSS] thread for community input and to gauge consensus.
> > During this thread, the resolution for graduation is put in front
> > of everyone, and a chair is chosen, as is the initial PMC. My
> > suggestion is to take the existing PPMC and make them the initial
> > PMC. That includes mentors. Assume everyone wants in, and don’t
> > be exclusionary. Who should be the chair? That’s up to you guys and
> > gals :) The thing there is to have someone who can submit and create
> > a board report for the first 3 months, then quarterly after, and to
> > be the “eyes and ears of the board” in the community.
> >
> > 2. Once 2 is done (I usually leave it up for like at least 72 hours),
> > then we proceed to call a [VOTE] thread. This should be a community
> > VOTE, on the dev list for all to participate in.
> >
> > 3. Once 2 is done, proceed to general@incubator.a.o with a [VOTE]
> > thread. If we got at least 3 +1 IPMCs (hopefully from 2) already,
> > we’re golden, but looking for more IPMC consensus. If we didn’t
> > get 3 +1 IPMC votes in 2, we’re looking to get them here.
> >
> > 4. If 3 passes, we paste the resolution into next month’s board
> > agenda, and then if it passes at the board meeting we are on our
> > way to a TLP and then must execute these steps (usually the chair
> > does it):
> >
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#life-after-graduation
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > Chief Architect
> > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Byung-Gon Chun <bg...@gmail.com>
> > Reply-To: "dev@reef.incubator.apache.org" <dev@reef.incubator.apache.org
> >
> > Date: Monday, August 31, 2015 at 4:17 PM
> > To: "dev@reef.incubator.apache.org" <de...@reef.incubator.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
> >
> > >Markus,
> > >
> > >How do we proceed? Do we wait to gather more feedback or go for voting?
> > >
> > >Thanks.
> > >-Gon
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Yunseong Lee <yu...@gmail.com>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thanks for the summary, Markus!
> > >>
> > >> I agree that it's time for us to prepare the graduation.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Yunseong
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2015년 8월 31일 (월) 오전 10:41, John Yang <jo...@gmail.com>님이 작성:
> > >>
> > >> > Thanks Markus for the great summary!
> > >> > I'm also +1 on working towards graduation.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > John
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > >> > chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > +1 I think you guys are def ready to graduate and would have my
> > >> > > full support. Cheers!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >> > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > >> > > Chief Architect
> > >> > > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > >> > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > >> > > Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > >> > > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > >> > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > >> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >> > > Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > >> > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > >> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > From: Markus Weimer <ma...@weimo.de>
> > >> > > Reply-To: "dev@reef.incubator.apache.org" <
> > >> dev@reef.incubator.apache.org
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 3:18 PM
> > >> > > To: REEF Developers Mailinglist <de...@reef.incubator.apache.org>
> > >> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >Thanks for the vote of confidence, Chris!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >And, as you suggested, let's broaden this discussion to the dev
> > >>list.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Markus
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >On 2015-08-18 15:06, Chris Douglas wrote:
> > >> > > >> I think REEF is ready to graduate.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> This thread could be on dev@, rather than private@. -C
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Byung-Gon Chun
> > >><bg...@gmail.com>
> > >> > > >>wrote:
> > >> > > >>> Hi Markus,
> > >> > > >>>
> > >> > > >>> Thank you for initiating this discussion!
> > >> > > >>>
> > >> > > >>> This's a nice summary. I agree with your assessment.
> > >> > > >>>
> > >> > > >>> Mentors, are we missing anything to graduate from the
> Incubator?
> > >> > > >>>
> > >> > > >>> Thanks!
> > >> > > >>> -Gon
> > >> > > >>>
> > >> > > >>>
> > >> > > >>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Markus Weimer
> > >><ma...@weimo.de>
> > >> > > >>>wrote:
> > >> > > >>>>
> > >> > > >>>> Hi,
> > >> > > >>>>
> > >> > > >>>> with another member joining us and another release done, it
> is
> > >>a
> > >> > good
> > >> > > >>>> time to consider the question of whether we are ready to
> > >> graduate.
> > >> > > >>>>
> > >> > > >>>> Which in turn means that we have to decide what it means to
> be
> > >> > "ready
> > >> > > >>>>to
> > >> > > >>>> graduate". In order to frame my thinking around this, I
> > >>consulted
> > >> > the
> > >> > > >>>> Apache Project Maturity Model[0]. I believe we measure up
> quite
> > >> > nicely
> > >> > > >>>> against that checklist, with the following possible
> exceptions:
> > >> > > >>>>
> > >> > > >>>> * CD50: This could suggest to sign each individual commit,
> > >>which
> > >> > we
> > >> > > >>>> don't do. I don't think this is what is intended,
> so
> > >>we
> > >> > are
> > >> > > >>>> good :-)
> > >> > > >>>>
> > >> > > >>>> * LC30: We depend on Visual Studio's unit testing
> framework,
> > >> which
> > >> > > >>>>is
> > >> > > >>>> not OSS. However, we are considering moving away
> > >>from it
> > >> > > >>>> anyhow. Also, this is probably covered by using
> > >>"widely
> > >> > > >>>> available standard tool" for the build.
> > >> > > >>>>
> > >> > > >>>> * QU30: What's our channel? The dev list? I'd be OK with
> > >>that.
> > >> > > >>>>
> > >> > > >>>> * CO50: We haven't documented the process for becoming a
> > >> committer
> > >> > > >>>> yet. This is something we probably should tackle.
> > >> > > >>>>
> > >> > > >>>> * CS30: I don't think we have documented our voting rules
> > >> > anywhere.
> > >> > > >>>> So far, I believe we made them up along the way?
> Can
> > >>we
> > >> > > >>>> steal, ahm, borrow them from a more mature project?
> > >> > > >>>>
> > >> > > >>>> * CS50: Working on it :-) More seriously, though: Our
> bipolar
> > >> > > >>>> structure lends itself to lots of offline
> > >>discussions on
> > >> > > >>>> either side of the Pacific. Not sure how to
> overcome
> > >> that
> > >> > > >>>> other than being constantly reminded to write
> things
> > >> down.
> > >> > > >>>>
> > >> > > >>>> Besides the voting and committer process documentation issues
> > >> above,
> > >> > > >>>>we
> > >> > > >>>> seem to be in pretty good shape.
> > >> > > >>>>
> > >> > > >>>> Thoughts / Comments?
> > >> > > >>>>
> > >> > > >>>> Markus
> > >> > > >>>> ---
> > >> > > >>>> [0]:
> > >> > > >>>>
> > >> > > >>>>
> > >> > >
> > >>
> http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.ht
> > >> > > >>>>ml
> > >> > > >>>
> > >> > > >>>
> > >> > > >>>
> > >> > > >>>
> > >> > > >>> --
> > >> > > >>> Byung-Gon Chun
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Byung-Gon Chun
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Byung-Gon Chun
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Posted by Byung-Gon Chun <bg...@gmail.com>.
Thanks, Chris!
I'd like to nominate Markus to be the first chair of the project. :)
I'd love to have mentors as PMC members. :)
I'd also like to hear about how to the initial PMC from the current PPMC
members; I want to be inclusive, but some PPMC members didn't show any
activities during the incubation period.
Cheers,
Gon
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Generally the way to proceed is as follows:
>
> 1. [DISCUSS] thread for community input and to gauge consensus.
> During this thread, the resolution for graduation is put in front
> of everyone, and a chair is chosen, as is the initial PMC. My
> suggestion is to take the existing PPMC and make them the initial
> PMC. That includes mentors. Assume everyone wants in, and don’t
> be exclusionary. Who should be the chair? That’s up to you guys and
> gals :) The thing there is to have someone who can submit and create
> a board report for the first 3 months, then quarterly after, and to
> be the “eyes and ears of the board” in the community.
>
> 2. Once 2 is done (I usually leave it up for like at least 72 hours),
> then we proceed to call a [VOTE] thread. This should be a community
> VOTE, on the dev list for all to participate in.
>
> 3. Once 2 is done, proceed to general@incubator.a.o with a [VOTE]
> thread. If we got at least 3 +1 IPMCs (hopefully from 2) already,
> we’re golden, but looking for more IPMC consensus. If we didn’t
> get 3 +1 IPMC votes in 2, we’re looking to get them here.
>
> 4. If 3 passes, we paste the resolution into next month’s board
> agenda, and then if it passes at the board meeting we are on our
> way to a TLP and then must execute these steps (usually the chair
> does it):
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#life-after-graduation
>
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Byung-Gon Chun <bg...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "dev@reef.incubator.apache.org" <de...@reef.incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2015 at 4:17 PM
> To: "dev@reef.incubator.apache.org" <de...@reef.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
>
> >Markus,
> >
> >How do we proceed? Do we wait to gather more feedback or go for voting?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >-Gon
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Yunseong Lee <yu...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for the summary, Markus!
> >>
> >> I agree that it's time for us to prepare the graduation.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Yunseong
> >>
> >>
> >> 2015년 8월 31일 (월) 오전 10:41, John Yang <jo...@gmail.com>님이 작성:
> >>
> >> > Thanks Markus for the great summary!
> >> > I'm also +1 on working towards graduation.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> >> > chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > +1 I think you guys are def ready to graduate and would have my
> >> > > full support. Cheers!
> >> > >
> >> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> > > Chief Architect
> >> > > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >> > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> > > Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >> > > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >> > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> > > Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Markus Weimer <ma...@weimo.de>
> >> > > Reply-To: "dev@reef.incubator.apache.org" <
> >> dev@reef.incubator.apache.org
> >> > >
> >> > > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 3:18 PM
> >> > > To: REEF Developers Mailinglist <de...@reef.incubator.apache.org>
> >> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
> >> > >
> >> > > >Thanks for the vote of confidence, Chris!
> >> > > >
> >> > > >And, as you suggested, let's broaden this discussion to the dev
> >>list.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Markus
> >> > > >
> >> > > >On 2015-08-18 15:06, Chris Douglas wrote:
> >> > > >> I think REEF is ready to graduate.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> This thread could be on dev@, rather than private@. -C
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Byung-Gon Chun
> >><bg...@gmail.com>
> >> > > >>wrote:
> >> > > >>> Hi Markus,
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Thank you for initiating this discussion!
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> This's a nice summary. I agree with your assessment.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Mentors, are we missing anything to graduate from the Incubator?
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Thanks!
> >> > > >>> -Gon
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Markus Weimer
> >><ma...@weimo.de>
> >> > > >>>wrote:
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Hi,
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> with another member joining us and another release done, it is
> >>a
> >> > good
> >> > > >>>> time to consider the question of whether we are ready to
> >> graduate.
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Which in turn means that we have to decide what it means to be
> >> > "ready
> >> > > >>>>to
> >> > > >>>> graduate". In order to frame my thinking around this, I
> >>consulted
> >> > the
> >> > > >>>> Apache Project Maturity Model[0]. I believe we measure up quite
> >> > nicely
> >> > > >>>> against that checklist, with the following possible exceptions:
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> * CD50: This could suggest to sign each individual commit,
> >>which
> >> > we
> >> > > >>>> don't do. I don't think this is what is intended, so
> >>we
> >> > are
> >> > > >>>> good :-)
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> * LC30: We depend on Visual Studio's unit testing framework,
> >> which
> >> > > >>>>is
> >> > > >>>> not OSS. However, we are considering moving away
> >>from it
> >> > > >>>> anyhow. Also, this is probably covered by using
> >>"widely
> >> > > >>>> available standard tool" for the build.
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> * QU30: What's our channel? The dev list? I'd be OK with
> >>that.
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> * CO50: We haven't documented the process for becoming a
> >> committer
> >> > > >>>> yet. This is something we probably should tackle.
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> * CS30: I don't think we have documented our voting rules
> >> > anywhere.
> >> > > >>>> So far, I believe we made them up along the way? Can
> >>we
> >> > > >>>> steal, ahm, borrow them from a more mature project?
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> * CS50: Working on it :-) More seriously, though: Our bipolar
> >> > > >>>> structure lends itself to lots of offline
> >>discussions on
> >> > > >>>> either side of the Pacific. Not sure how to overcome
> >> that
> >> > > >>>> other than being constantly reminded to write things
> >> down.
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Besides the voting and committer process documentation issues
> >> above,
> >> > > >>>>we
> >> > > >>>> seem to be in pretty good shape.
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Thoughts / Comments?
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Markus
> >> > > >>>> ---
> >> > > >>>> [0]:
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > >
> >> http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.ht
> >> > > >>>>ml
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> --
> >> > > >>> Byung-Gon Chun
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Byung-Gon Chun
>
>
--
Byung-Gon Chun
Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Generally the way to proceed is as follows:
1. [DISCUSS] thread for community input and to gauge consensus.
During this thread, the resolution for graduation is put in front
of everyone, and a chair is chosen, as is the initial PMC. My
suggestion is to take the existing PPMC and make them the initial
PMC. That includes mentors. Assume everyone wants in, and don’t
be exclusionary. Who should be the chair? That’s up to you guys and
gals :) The thing there is to have someone who can submit and create
a board report for the first 3 months, then quarterly after, and to
be the “eyes and ears of the board” in the community.
2. Once 2 is done (I usually leave it up for like at least 72 hours),
then we proceed to call a [VOTE] thread. This should be a community
VOTE, on the dev list for all to participate in.
3. Once 2 is done, proceed to general@incubator.a.o with a [VOTE]
thread. If we got at least 3 +1 IPMCs (hopefully from 2) already,
we’re golden, but looking for more IPMC consensus. If we didn’t
get 3 +1 IPMC votes in 2, we’re looking to get them here.
4. If 3 passes, we paste the resolution into next month’s board
agenda, and then if it passes at the board meeting we are on our
way to a TLP and then must execute these steps (usually the chair
does it):
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#life-after-graduation
Cheers,
Chris
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-----Original Message-----
From: Byung-Gon Chun <bg...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "dev@reef.incubator.apache.org" <de...@reef.incubator.apache.org>
Date: Monday, August 31, 2015 at 4:17 PM
To: "dev@reef.incubator.apache.org" <de...@reef.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
>Markus,
>
>How do we proceed? Do we wait to gather more feedback or go for voting?
>
>Thanks.
>-Gon
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Yunseong Lee <yu...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the summary, Markus!
>>
>> I agree that it's time for us to prepare the graduation.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Yunseong
>>
>>
>> 2015년 8월 31일 (월) 오전 10:41, John Yang <jo...@gmail.com>님이 작성:
>>
>> > Thanks Markus for the great summary!
>> > I'm also +1 on working towards graduation.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>> > chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> >
>> > > +1 I think you guys are def ready to graduate and would have my
>> > > full support. Cheers!
>> > >
>> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> > > Chief Architect
>> > > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> > > Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> > > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> > > Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Markus Weimer <ma...@weimo.de>
>> > > Reply-To: "dev@reef.incubator.apache.org" <
>> dev@reef.incubator.apache.org
>> > >
>> > > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 3:18 PM
>> > > To: REEF Developers Mailinglist <de...@reef.incubator.apache.org>
>> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Are we ready to graduate
>> > >
>> > > >Thanks for the vote of confidence, Chris!
>> > > >
>> > > >And, as you suggested, let's broaden this discussion to the dev
>>list.
>> > > >
>> > > >Markus
>> > > >
>> > > >On 2015-08-18 15:06, Chris Douglas wrote:
>> > > >> I think REEF is ready to graduate.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> This thread could be on dev@, rather than private@. -C
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Byung-Gon Chun
>><bg...@gmail.com>
>> > > >>wrote:
>> > > >>> Hi Markus,
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Thank you for initiating this discussion!
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> This's a nice summary. I agree with your assessment.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Mentors, are we missing anything to graduate from the Incubator?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Thanks!
>> > > >>> -Gon
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Markus Weimer
>><ma...@weimo.de>
>> > > >>>wrote:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Hi,
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> with another member joining us and another release done, it is
>>a
>> > good
>> > > >>>> time to consider the question of whether we are ready to
>> graduate.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Which in turn means that we have to decide what it means to be
>> > "ready
>> > > >>>>to
>> > > >>>> graduate". In order to frame my thinking around this, I
>>consulted
>> > the
>> > > >>>> Apache Project Maturity Model[0]. I believe we measure up quite
>> > nicely
>> > > >>>> against that checklist, with the following possible exceptions:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> * CD50: This could suggest to sign each individual commit,
>>which
>> > we
>> > > >>>> don't do. I don't think this is what is intended, so
>>we
>> > are
>> > > >>>> good :-)
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> * LC30: We depend on Visual Studio's unit testing framework,
>> which
>> > > >>>>is
>> > > >>>> not OSS. However, we are considering moving away
>>from it
>> > > >>>> anyhow. Also, this is probably covered by using
>>"widely
>> > > >>>> available standard tool" for the build.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> * QU30: What's our channel? The dev list? I'd be OK with
>>that.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> * CO50: We haven't documented the process for becoming a
>> committer
>> > > >>>> yet. This is something we probably should tackle.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> * CS30: I don't think we have documented our voting rules
>> > anywhere.
>> > > >>>> So far, I believe we made them up along the way? Can
>>we
>> > > >>>> steal, ahm, borrow them from a more mature project?
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> * CS50: Working on it :-) More seriously, though: Our bipolar
>> > > >>>> structure lends itself to lots of offline
>>discussions on
>> > > >>>> either side of the Pacific. Not sure how to overcome
>> that
>> > > >>>> other than being constantly reminded to write things
>> down.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Besides the voting and committer process documentation issues
>> above,
>> > > >>>>we
>> > > >>>> seem to be in pretty good shape.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Thoughts / Comments?
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Markus
>> > > >>>> ---
>> > > >>>> [0]:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > >
>> http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.ht
>> > > >>>>ml
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> --
>> > > >>> Byung-Gon Chun
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>--
>Byung-Gon Chun