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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by George Aroush <ge...@aroush.net> on 2007/04/11 02:41:38 UTC
RE: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating
Hi folks,
Please jump in and vote on this release. It has been well
over 4 weeks since my original submission. What will it take
to get this vote moving? Is there anything more that I need to do?!
Thanks!
-- George Aroush
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Aroush [mailto:george@aroush.net]
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:41 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache
> Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating
>
> Thanks Erik!
>
> Folks: Can others jump on this too, review the release and
> offer their +/-1 vote? So far I have:
>
> +1 from Erik Hatcher
> +0 from Robert Burrell Donkin
>
> Needless to say, this seems to me to be taking longer then I
> hoped for. As you know, I need at least 2 +1's to make the
> release -- so please help and review the release.
>
> Here are the artifacts again:
>
> Release history:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/lucene.net/tags/Luc
> ene.Net_2_0_0/
> src/HISTORY.txt
>
> Release artifact (source & binary):
> http://people.apache.org/~aroush/Lucene.Net-2.0-004/
>
> I'm asking for your vote to approve this release.
>
> [ ] +1 Approve the release as Apache Lucene.Net 2.0.0 build
> 004 incubating
>
> [ ] -1 Veto this release (explain why so it can be addressed)
>
> Regards,
>
> -- George Aroush
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:erik@ehatchersolutions.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:45 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache
> Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating
>
> I've waited out on the vote intentionally to see what others hand.
> The licensing issues that RAT turned up seem minor to me,
> especially being in project files that are not part of a
> binary distribution and probably not even needed for
> compilation of the codebase in general.
>
> So...
>
> +1 on this release
>
> Erik
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2007, at 9:55 PM, George Aroush wrote:
>
> > Thanks Robert! No, you don't have to feel bad about your
> +0 vote, you
> > did your part.
> >
> > All: Please review this release and give me your vote so I can move
> > this release on. At least, let me know if what Robert
> found is (the
> > one file that has old license header) is a release stopper
> so I can go
> > back and re-package the release for a new vote.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -- George Aroush
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:22 PM
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache
> Lucene.Net
> > 2.0 build 004 incubating
> >
> > On 3/28/07, George Aroush <ge...@aroush.net> wrote:
> >> Hi Robert,
> >>
> >> Thanks for taking your time and looking at this release.
> To answer
> >> your
> >> questions:
> >>
> >> The files *.csproj, and *.sln are the Visual Studio.NET
> project files
> >> -- those are auto generated and thus I can't edit them outside the
> >> IDE
> >> -- the same goes to the few *.cs files that you noticed as well as
> >> the few *.xml and *.html files that you highlighted.
> >
> > yeh
> >
> > IMHO it's pretty naffy that you can't add headers but
> that's life, i
> > suppose
> > - or at least m$
> >
> >> For the file,
> >> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/lucene.net/trunk/C%23/
> >> contr
> >> ib/Sno wball.Net/Test/Analysis/Snowball/TestSnowball.cs where you
> >> pointed out the use of the old style Apache License, it looks like
> >> http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-update-scripts
> >> didn't
> >> do the job well here. This is an original work -- will this issue
> >> prevent a release?.
> >
> > different people have different opinions :-/
> >
> > (hopefully people will jump in here)
> >
> > IMHO it's a judgment call. i wouldn't cut a release with any header
> > issues of this kind but i wouldn't -1 one either.
> >
> > RAT is good at catching this kind of issue (though it will
> pick up a
> > lot of false negatives for the XML and HTML files)
> >
> >> Thanks for catching the grammatical error in the
> README.txt: "An MADN
> >> ..."
> >> I fixed it in the SVN release.
> >>
> >> Again, thanks for taking your time and looking at this release
> >> candidate.
> >> Please let me know if I addressed all of your questions
> and if I get
> >> your +1 or -1 vote.
> >
> > +0 due to old license
> >
> > (but i feel a little bad about it)
> >
> > - robert
> >
> >
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Re: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Wednesday 11 April 2007 10:54, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Personally, I think the project is suffering from a chicken-egg problem.
> Without releases no users, without users no developers, without developers
> no releases.
I also think that the advice recently given to FtpServer project (also a
single developer) should be assimilated with great care for Lucene.Net.
Without furthering the community, the project will never graduate. And right
now, even voting in new committers will be painful.
I suggest that you approach;
a. Other committers in ASF that are or has been doing dotNet development.
b. Lucene users. Many developers jump between Java and dotNet, and some of
those may not know of Lucene.Net.
Cheers
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
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Re: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache Lucene.Net 2.0 build
004 incubating
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>
> Personally, I think the project is suffering from a chicken-egg problem.
> Without releases no users, without users no developers, without developers no
> releases.
> Somehow it also feels to me that either dotNet has no credibility at ASF, or
> that ASF has no credibility for dotNet development. So few efforts are
> started, and even fewer get some momentum.
Unfortunately (speaking here as the developer of mod_aspdotnet) there are
plenty of users to be found, but I found very little development. In spite
of persistent calls that 'this code will hit the road without oversight'
we never attracted more than a patch or two from a single coder, and were
never able to gain traction.
The upshot is that it has exited the ASF and now lives as a one-man-show
at sourceforge (where it still has a significant number of users). Is it
a cultural difference of .NET development? Perhaps. Hard to name any
projects beyond mono with a wide committer base.
Of course Apache Lucene.Net doesn't have the ms-specific tie in, so one
hopes this will change. But I wouldn't bank on your eggs hatching from
a release, since there are users out there, but they may or may not xlate
into developer/contributors.
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Re: [[RESULT] (was: RE: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating)
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Sunday 22 April 2007 20:44, George Aroush wrote:
> Speaking of which, where is the office place to upload the release artifact
> to and what is the official mailing list to make the announcement? Is
> there an ASF document I can read to learn all about this?
Check http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases first.
Cheers
--
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Re: [RESULT] (was: RE: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating)
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 4/25/07, George Aroush <ge...@aroush.net> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Can someone help me find the answer to the following questions that I
> posted:
>
> > Speaking of which, where is the official place to upload the
> > release artifact to
i don't know. hopefully people will jump in.
>> and what is the official mailing list to
>> make the announcement?
unless there are good reasons not to (for example, under-the-radar
releases), use everyone that is on-topic. for lucence.NET i'd say
lucene lists, general and announcements@apache.org.
this lists are widely mirrored, well indexed and widely read so take
some time to create some good content for the announcement. remember
to include content describing lucene.NET for those who don't know what
it is and an invitation for new developers.
>> Is there an ASF document I can read
>> to learn all about this?
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html needs work
(i try to find some more time@apachecon)
http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases is reasonable
- robert
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RE: [RESULT] (was: RE: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating)
Posted by George Aroush <ge...@aroush.net>.
Hi folks,
Can someone help me find the answer to the following questions that I
posted:
> Speaking of which, where is the official place to upload the
> release artifact to and what is the official mailing list to
> make the announcement? Is there an ASF document I can read
> to learn all about this?
Thanks!
-- George
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[[RESULT] (was: RE: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating)
Posted by George Aroush <ge...@aroush.net>.
Hi folks,
The votes of Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating release have been tallied:
+1 from Erik Hatcher
+1 from Niclas Hedhman
+1 from Ted Husted
+0 from Robert Burrell Donkin
There were 3 binding Incubator PMC +1 votes and 1 +0 and no -1 votes.
I will follow up this email with an official release announcement.
Speaking of which, where is the office place to upload the release artifact
to and what is the official mailing list to make the announcement? Is there
an ASF document I can read to learn all about this?
Thanks everyone!
-- George Aroush
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ted.husted@gmail.com [mailto:ted.husted@gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Ted Husted
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:04 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache
> Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating
>
> +1 (binding)
>
> I'll bring this up on the iBATIS.NET list and Spring.NET
> lists, which we also use.
>
> -Ted.
>
> On 4/17/07, George Aroush <ge...@aroush.net> wrote:
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Please help us to get our first official Lucene.Net release
> out the door.
> > I'm still waiting on one more +1 vote. The review has been
> very, VERY
> > slow as well as comments. Only 3 folks actually reviewed
> the release
> > and gave their votes. What can I do, beside sending reminders like
> > this, to speed this up? Please see email thread below for details.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -- George Aroush
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: George Aroush [mailto:george@aroush.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:29 AM
> > > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: RE: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache
> Lucene.Net
> > > 2.0 build 004 incubating
> > >
> > > Hi Niclas,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your +1 vote, but most of all for your time.
> > >
> > > This now gives me:
> > >
> > > +1 from Erik Hatcher
> > > +1 from Niclas Hedhman
> > > +0 from Robert Burrell Donkin
> > >
> > > I still need 1 more +1 to get this release out. Can at least one
> > > other PMC member review this release please?
> > >
> > > > Personally, I think the project is suffering from a chicken-egg
> > > > problem.
> > >
> > > This is true. Recently, there has been some interest
> from folks who
> > > want to get on and start contributing. Lets hope this
> holds. The
> > > good bit is that there is a good user base community and
> Lucene.Net
> > > is not only recognized but is being used in production out in the
> > > field. An official release, more publicity should help, *AND* we
> > > need to start thinking about how ASF can help too should give
> > > Lucene.Net a new start. ASF folks voting on a release,
> in a timely
> > > fashion, is a good start.
> > >
> > > > I am also pleased to see that the many remarks in the first
> > > round has
> > > > been attended to promptly.
> > > > However, there are 2 more subsystems in "contrib/" and the
> > > first file
> > > > I checked "Similarity.Net/AssemblyInfo.cs" didn't have
> the Apache
> > > > License header, but others did. I did not
> > >
> > > "AssemblyInfo.cs" is an auto generated file; we discussed
> those in
> > > first release attempt.
> > >
> > > > perform an exhaustive check. I would be interested to here how
> > > > come "so much" gets added between two reviews of a release 2.0.
> > >
> > > The only changes between build 4 and build 3, is:
> > > 1) Build 4 added the correct copy right header and files
> > > 2) Build 4 added 1 new ported project to "contrib",
> Similarity.Net.
> > > This wasn't ready in time for the first vote but was for
> the second.
> > >
> > > > But I think those are minor enough to get my +1 for
> this release.
> > >
> > > Much appreciated; thanks.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > -- George
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> --
> HTH, Ted <http://www.husted.com/ted/blog/>
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Re: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
+1 (binding)
I'll bring this up on the iBATIS.NET list and Spring.NET lists, which
we also use.
-Ted.
On 4/17/07, George Aroush <ge...@aroush.net> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Please help us to get our first official Lucene.Net release out the door.
> I'm still waiting on one more +1 vote. The review has been very, VERY slow
> as well as comments. Only 3 folks actually reviewed the release and gave
> their votes. What can I do, beside sending reminders like this, to speed
> this up? Please see email thread below for details.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- George Aroush
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: George Aroush [mailto:george@aroush.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:29 AM
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache
> > Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating
> >
> > Hi Niclas,
> >
> > Thanks for your +1 vote, but most of all for your time.
> >
> > This now gives me:
> >
> > +1 from Erik Hatcher
> > +1 from Niclas Hedhman
> > +0 from Robert Burrell Donkin
> >
> > I still need 1 more +1 to get this release out. Can at least
> > one other PMC member review this release please?
> >
> > > Personally, I think the project is suffering from a chicken-egg
> > > problem.
> >
> > This is true. Recently, there has been some interest from
> > folks who want to get on and start contributing. Lets hope
> > this holds. The good bit is that there is a good user base
> > community and Lucene.Net is not only recognized but is being
> > used in production out in the field. An official release,
> > more publicity should help, *AND* we need to start thinking
> > about how ASF can help too should give Lucene.Net a new
> > start. ASF folks voting on a release, in a timely fashion,
> > is a good start.
> >
> > > I am also pleased to see that the many remarks in the first
> > round has
> > > been attended to promptly.
> > > However, there are 2 more subsystems in "contrib/" and the
> > first file
> > > I checked "Similarity.Net/AssemblyInfo.cs" didn't have the Apache
> > > License header, but others did. I did not
> >
> > "AssemblyInfo.cs" is an auto generated file; we discussed
> > those in first release attempt.
> >
> > > perform an exhaustive check. I would be interested to here how come
> > > "so much" gets added between two reviews of a release 2.0.
> >
> > The only changes between build 4 and build 3, is:
> > 1) Build 4 added the correct copy right header and files
> > 2) Build 4 added 1 new ported project to "contrib",
> > Similarity.Net. This wasn't ready in time for the first vote
> > but was for the second.
> >
> > > But I think those are minor enough to get my +1 for this release.
> >
> > Much appreciated; thanks.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -- George
> >
> >
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RE: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating
Posted by George Aroush <ge...@aroush.net>.
Hi Folks,
Please help us to get our first official Lucene.Net release out the door.
I'm still waiting on one more +1 vote. The review has been very, VERY slow
as well as comments. Only 3 folks actually reviewed the release and gave
their votes. What can I do, beside sending reminders like this, to speed
this up? Please see email thread below for details.
Regards,
-- George Aroush
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Aroush [mailto:george@aroush.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:29 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache
> Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating
>
> Hi Niclas,
>
> Thanks for your +1 vote, but most of all for your time.
>
> This now gives me:
>
> +1 from Erik Hatcher
> +1 from Niclas Hedhman
> +0 from Robert Burrell Donkin
>
> I still need 1 more +1 to get this release out. Can at least
> one other PMC member review this release please?
>
> > Personally, I think the project is suffering from a chicken-egg
> > problem.
>
> This is true. Recently, there has been some interest from
> folks who want to get on and start contributing. Lets hope
> this holds. The good bit is that there is a good user base
> community and Lucene.Net is not only recognized but is being
> used in production out in the field. An official release,
> more publicity should help, *AND* we need to start thinking
> about how ASF can help too should give Lucene.Net a new
> start. ASF folks voting on a release, in a timely fashion,
> is a good start.
>
> > I am also pleased to see that the many remarks in the first
> round has
> > been attended to promptly.
> > However, there are 2 more subsystems in "contrib/" and the
> first file
> > I checked "Similarity.Net/AssemblyInfo.cs" didn't have the Apache
> > License header, but others did. I did not
>
> "AssemblyInfo.cs" is an auto generated file; we discussed
> those in first release attempt.
>
> > perform an exhaustive check. I would be interested to here how come
> > "so much" gets added between two reviews of a release 2.0.
>
> The only changes between build 4 and build 3, is:
> 1) Build 4 added the correct copy right header and files
> 2) Build 4 added 1 new ported project to "contrib",
> Similarity.Net. This wasn't ready in time for the first vote
> but was for the second.
>
> > But I think those are minor enough to get my +1 for this release.
>
> Much appreciated; thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- George
>
>
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RE: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating
Posted by George Aroush <ge...@aroush.net>.
Hi Niclas,
Thanks for your +1 vote, but most of all for your time.
This now gives me:
+1 from Erik Hatcher
+1 From Niclas Hedhman
+0 from Robert Burrell Donkin
I still need 1 more +1 to get this release out. Can at least one other PMC
member review this release please?
> Personally, I think the project is suffering from a
> chicken-egg problem.
This is true. Recently, there has been some interest from folks who want to
get on and start contributing. Lets hope this holds. The good bit is that
there is a good user base community and Lucene.Net is not only recognized
but is being used in production out in the field. An official release, more
publicity should help, *AND* we need to start thinking about how ASF can
help too should give Lucene.Net a new start. ASF folks voting on a release,
in a timely fashion, is a good start.
> I am also pleased to see that the many remarks in the first
> round has been attended to promptly.
> However, there are 2 more subsystems in "contrib/" and the
> first file I checked "Similarity.Net/AssemblyInfo.cs" didn't
> have the Apache License header, but others did. I did not
"AssemblyInfo.cs" is an auto generated file; we discussed those in first
release attempt.
> perform an exhaustive check. I would be interested to here
> how come "so much" gets added between two reviews of a release 2.0.
The only changes between build 4 and build 3, is:
1) Build 4 added the correct copy right header and files
2) Build 4 added 1 new ported project to "contrib", Similarity.Net. This
wasn't ready in time for the first vote but was for the second.
> But I think those are minor enough to get my +1 for this release.
Much appreciated; thanks.
Regards,
-- George
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Re: [VOTE] [Retry] Approve the release of Apache Lucene.Net 2.0 build 004 incubating
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Wednesday 11 April 2007 08:41, George Aroush wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Please jump in and vote on this release. It has been well
> over 4 weeks since my original submission. What will it take
> to get this vote moving? Is there anything more that I need to do?!
Personally, I think the project is suffering from a chicken-egg problem.
Without releases no users, without users no developers, without developers no
releases.
Somehow it also feels to me that either dotNet has no credibility at ASF, or
that ASF has no credibility for dotNet development. So few efforts are
started, and even fewer get some momentum.
A quick peek... http://people.apache.org/~aroush/Lucene.Net-2.0-004/
ABOUT.txt contains a reference that George Aroush has developed Lucene.Net. We
have previously concluded that such balkanization is bad.
I am also pleased to see that the many remarks in the first round has been
attended to promptly.
However, there are 2 more subsystems in "contrib/" and the first file I
checked "Similarity.Net/AssemblyInfo.cs" didn't have the Apache License
header, but others did. I did not perform an exhaustive check. I would be
interested to here how come "so much" gets added between two reviews of a
release 2.0.
But I think those are minor enough to get my +1 for this release.
Cheers
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