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[PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Reorging the Jakarta PMC apparently has become an annual event. This
year will be no different. I've had lengthy talks with the Apache
Board, and this has caused me to revisit a number of assumptions.
Looking at http://httpd.apache.org/contributors/, it is clear that the
ASF concept of a Project Management Committee permits a significantly
larger number of PMC members per project than I, at least, had ever
presumed.
Given the success that Jakarta has had to date, I don't want to propose
any rapid, irreversable, or disruptive changes. But the goal should be
clear: the PMC should consist of *all* the people who are actively and
consistently monitoring the code.
So for the first step, I'd like to nominate the following individuals
who have contributed multiple times to the Jakarta newsletter and/or
recently served as a release manager of a Jakarta subproject:
[ ] Nicola Ken Barozzi
[ ] Stephen Colebourne
[ ] Martin Cooper
[ ] Henri Gomez
[ ] John Keyes
[ ] Larry Isaacs
[ ] Otis Gospodnetic
[ ] Thomas Mahler
[ ] Remy Maucherat
[ ] Glenn Nielsen
[ ] Andrew C Oliver
[ ] Rob Oxspring
[ ] Martin Poeschl
[ ] Scott Sanders
[ ] David Sean Taylor
[ ] Mladen Turk
[ ] James Turner
[ ] Henri Yandell
Future steps will include introduction of a concept of an emeritus PMC
member, reinstating prior PMC members who are still active, and more
nominations (particularly those that chose to contribute to the
newsletter, and/or act as release manager, hint, hint).
Longer term, the plan is to move the subprojects that chose to remain in
Jakarta towards becoming a single community - in particular release
votes will become a responsibility of the PMC. That does not mean that
all PMC members will vote on all releases, but that it will be from this
pool of members that release votes will be cast. Clearly there will
need to be a number waves of additions like the one above to the PMC
before we get to this point.
Meanwhile, my plan is to see to it that those subprojects that desire to
become ASF projects will get the full cooperation and support of this PMC.
Now for some fine print:
* nominees may chose to decline without giving any reason
* only current PMC member's votes are binding
* once the vote completes, PMC membership is not effective until 48
hours after a board member acknowledges receipt of these votes.
Let the voting begin!
- Sam Ruby
P.S. My vote is +1 on all.
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Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
Martin Cooper wrote:
>
> Just curious - Greg's board meeting summary didn't mention this, so I'm
> wondering what the status is.
The board needs take no action... unless they object within 72 hours of
the notification, the following people are now part of the Jakarta PMC:
Nicola Ken Barozzi
Robert Burrel Donkin
Stephen Colebourne
Martin Cooper
Henri Gomez
John Keyes
Larry Isaacs
Otis Gospodnetic
Thomas Mahler
Remy Maucherat
Glenn Nielsen
Andrew C Oliver
Rob Oxspring
Martin Poeschl
Scott Sanders
David Sean Taylor
Glen Stampoultzis
Mladen Turk
James Turner
Henri Yandell
I do not expect any issues, so people on this list should feel free to
subscribe to the pmc mailing list (I'll moderate through the requests),
and update http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html appropriately.
- Sam Ruby
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Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Posted by Conor MacNeill <co...@cortexebusiness.com.au>.
Sam Ruby wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I propose to nominate Glen Stampoultzis
>>
>>
>> On 16 Jan 2003, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Also want ask you to also nominate Robert Burrel Donkin.
>>
>
> +1 to both.
>
+1
Conor
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Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Sam Ruby wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >>I propose to nominate Glen Stampoultzis
> >
> > On 16 Jan 2003, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Also want ask you to also nominate Robert Burrel Donkin.
>
> +1 to both.
>
> It is my intent to declare this vote closed immediately prior to
> tomorrow's ASF board meeting, and notify the board of the new PMC
> members at that time.
Just curious - Greg's board meeting summary didn't mention this, so I'm
wondering what the status is.
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>
> PMC members who have not voted and wish to do so, speak now or forever
> hold your peace. ;-)
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
>
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Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>>I propose to nominate Glen Stampoultzis
>
> On 16 Jan 2003, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
>
>>Also want ask you to also nominate Robert Burrel Donkin.
+1 to both.
It is my intent to declare this vote closed immediately prior to
tomorrow's ASF board meeting, and notify the board of the new PMC
members at that time.
PMC members who have not voted and wish to do so, speak now or forever
hold your peace. ;-)
- Sam Ruby
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Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
> So for the first step, I'd like to nominate the following
> individuals
>
> [ ] Nicola Ken Barozzi
> [ ] Stephen Colebourne
> [ ] Martin Cooper
> [ ] Henri Gomez
> [ ] John Keyes
> [ ] Larry Isaacs
> [ ] Otis Gospodnetic
> [ ] Thomas Mahler
> [ ] Remy Maucherat
> [ ] Glenn Nielsen
> [ ] Andrew C Oliver
> [ ] Rob Oxspring
> [ ] Martin Poeschl
> [ ] Scott Sanders
> [ ] David Sean Taylor
> [ ] Mladen Turk
> [ ] James Turner
> [ ] Henri Yandell
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
> I propose to nominate Glen Stampoultzis
On 16 Jan 2003, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> Also want ask you to also nominate Robert Burrel Donkin.
+1 to all of them.
Stefan
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Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Posted by Costin Manolache <cm...@yahoo.com>.
+1 for all.
+1 for Glen Stampoultzis ( cut&pasted last name :-) and Robert Burrel
Donkin.
Costin
Sam Ruby wrote:
> Reorging the Jakarta PMC apparently has become an annual event. This
> year will be no different. I've had lengthy talks with the Apache
> Board, and this has caused me to revisit a number of assumptions.
>
> Looking at http://httpd.apache.org/contributors/, it is clear that the
> ASF concept of a Project Management Committee permits a significantly
> larger number of PMC members per project than I, at least, had ever
> presumed.
>
> Given the success that Jakarta has had to date, I don't want to propose
> any rapid, irreversable, or disruptive changes. But the goal should be
> clear: the PMC should consist of *all* the people who are actively and
> consistently monitoring the code.
>
> So for the first step, I'd like to nominate the following individuals
> who have contributed multiple times to the Jakarta newsletter and/or
> recently served as a release manager of a Jakarta subproject:
>
> [ ] Nicola Ken Barozzi
> [ ] Stephen Colebourne
> [ ] Martin Cooper
> [ ] Henri Gomez
> [ ] John Keyes
> [ ] Larry Isaacs
> [ ] Otis Gospodnetic
> [ ] Thomas Mahler
> [ ] Remy Maucherat
> [ ] Glenn Nielsen
> [ ] Andrew C Oliver
> [ ] Rob Oxspring
> [ ] Martin Poeschl
> [ ] Scott Sanders
> [ ] David Sean Taylor
> [ ] Mladen Turk
> [ ] James Turner
> [ ] Henri Yandell
>
> Future steps will include introduction of a concept of an emeritus PMC
> member, reinstating prior PMC members who are still active, and more
> nominations (particularly those that chose to contribute to the
> newsletter, and/or act as release manager, hint, hint).
>
> Longer term, the plan is to move the subprojects that chose to remain in
> Jakarta towards becoming a single community - in particular release
> votes will become a responsibility of the PMC. That does not mean that
> all PMC members will vote on all releases, but that it will be from this
> pool of members that release votes will be cast. Clearly there will
> need to be a number waves of additions like the one above to the PMC
> before we get to this point.
>
> Meanwhile, my plan is to see to it that those subprojects that desire to
> become ASF projects will get the full cooperation and support of this PMC.
>
> Now for some fine print:
>
> * nominees may chose to decline without giving any reason
>
> * only current PMC member's votes are binding
>
> * once the vote completes, PMC membership is not effective until 48
> hours after a board member acknowledges receipt of these votes.
>
> Let the voting begin!
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> P.S. My vote is +1 on all.
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Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Posted by Conor MacNeill <co...@cortexebusiness.com.au>.
Sam Ruby wrote:
>
> P.S. My vote is +1 on all.
>
+1 for all.
Conor
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Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
+1 for all (although not binding).
Also want ask you to also nominate Robert Burrel Donkin.
He is current release manager for commons-beanutils and is preparing the
betwixt (first) release now.
Mvgr,
Martin
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 22:59, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Reorging the Jakarta PMC apparently has become an annual event. This
> year will be no different. I've had lengthy talks with the Apache
> Board, and this has caused me to revisit a number of assumptions.
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Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
I propose to nominate Glen Stampoultzis who is the current release manager
for the Jakarta POI project.
I also propose Glen shorten his last name to no more than 6 letters so
that I can spell it
instead of copy and pasting it.
-Andy
Sam Ruby wrote:
> Reorging the Jakarta PMC apparently has become an annual event. This
> year will be no different. I've had lengthy talks with the Apache
> Board, and this has caused me to revisit a number of assumptions.
>
> Looking at http://httpd.apache.org/contributors/, it is clear that the
> ASF concept of a Project Management Committee permits a significantly
> larger number of PMC members per project than I, at least, had ever
> presumed.
>
> Given the success that Jakarta has had to date, I don't want to propose
> any rapid, irreversable, or disruptive changes. But the goal should be
> clear: the PMC should consist of *all* the people who are actively and
> consistently monitoring the code.
>
> So for the first step, I'd like to nominate the following individuals
> who have contributed multiple times to the Jakarta newsletter and/or
> recently served as a release manager of a Jakarta subproject:
>
> [ ] Nicola Ken Barozzi
> [ ] Stephen Colebourne
> [ ] Martin Cooper
> [ ] Henri Gomez
> [ ] John Keyes
> [ ] Larry Isaacs
> [ ] Otis Gospodnetic
> [ ] Thomas Mahler
> [ ] Remy Maucherat
> [ ] Glenn Nielsen
> [ ] Andrew C Oliver
> [ ] Rob Oxspring
> [ ] Martin Poeschl
> [ ] Scott Sanders
> [ ] David Sean Taylor
> [ ] Mladen Turk
> [ ] James Turner
> [ ] Henri Yandell
>
> Future steps will include introduction of a concept of an emeritus PMC
> member, reinstating prior PMC members who are still active, and more
> nominations (particularly those that chose to contribute to the
> newsletter, and/or act as release manager, hint, hint).
>
> Longer term, the plan is to move the subprojects that chose to remain in
> Jakarta towards becoming a single community - in particular release
> votes will become a responsibility of the PMC. That does not mean that
> all PMC members will vote on all releases, but that it will be from this
> pool of members that release votes will be cast. Clearly there will
> need to be a number waves of additions like the one above to the PMC
> before we get to this point.
>
> Meanwhile, my plan is to see to it that those subprojects that desire to
> become ASF projects will get the full cooperation and support of this
> PMC.
>
> Now for some fine print:
>
> * nominees may chose to decline without giving any reason
>
> * only current PMC member's votes are binding
>
> * once the vote completes, PMC membership is not effective until 48
> hours after a board member acknowledges receipt of these votes.
>
> Let the voting begin!
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> P.S. My vote is +1 on all.
>
>
>
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Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Posted by Morgan Delagrange <md...@yahoo.com>.
Are the current PMC members automatically re-upped?
And it sounds like there won't have to be a massive
all-committer election like last year, which I'm sure
will be a relief to Dirk. ;)
Sounds like Jakarta PMC membership will become more
like Apache membership; once you're in, you can stay
in as long as you remain active.
- Morgan
--- Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org> wrote:
> Reorging the Jakarta PMC apparently has become an
> annual event. This
> year will be no different. I've had lengthy talks
> with the Apache
> Board, and this has caused me to revisit a number of
> assumptions.
>
> Looking at http://httpd.apache.org/contributors/, it
> is clear that the
> ASF concept of a Project Management Committee
> permits a significantly
> larger number of PMC members per project than I, at
> least, had ever
> presumed.
>
> Given the success that Jakarta has had to date, I
> don't want to propose
> any rapid, irreversable, or disruptive changes. But
> the goal should be
> clear: the PMC should consist of *all* the people
> who are actively and
> consistently monitoring the code.
>
> So for the first step, I'd like to nominate the
> following individuals
> who have contributed multiple times to the Jakarta
> newsletter and/or
> recently served as a release manager of a Jakarta
> subproject:
>
> [ ] Nicola Ken Barozzi
> [ ] Stephen Colebourne
> [ ] Martin Cooper
> [ ] Henri Gomez
> [ ] John Keyes
> [ ] Larry Isaacs
> [ ] Otis Gospodnetic
> [ ] Thomas Mahler
> [ ] Remy Maucherat
> [ ] Glenn Nielsen
> [ ] Andrew C Oliver
> [ ] Rob Oxspring
> [ ] Martin Poeschl
> [ ] Scott Sanders
> [ ] David Sean Taylor
> [ ] Mladen Turk
> [ ] James Turner
> [ ] Henri Yandell
>
> Future steps will include introduction of a concept
> of an emeritus PMC
> member, reinstating prior PMC members who are still
> active, and more
> nominations (particularly those that chose to
> contribute to the
> newsletter, and/or act as release manager, hint,
> hint).
>
> Longer term, the plan is to move the subprojects
> that chose to remain in
> Jakarta towards becoming a single community - in
> particular release
> votes will become a responsibility of the PMC. That
> does not mean that
> all PMC members will vote on all releases, but that
> it will be from this
> pool of members that release votes will be cast.
> Clearly there will
> need to be a number waves of additions like the one
> above to the PMC
> before we get to this point.
>
> Meanwhile, my plan is to see to it that those
> subprojects that desire to
> become ASF projects will get the full cooperation
> and support of this PMC.
>
> Now for some fine print:
>
> * nominees may chose to decline without giving any
> reason
>
> * only current PMC member's votes are binding
>
> * once the vote completes, PMC membership is not
> effective until 48
> hours after a board member acknowledges receipt of
> these votes.
>
> Let the voting begin!
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> P.S. My vote is +1 on all.
>
>
>
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RE: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>.
Sam wrote:
> Meanwhile, my plan is to see to it that those subprojects that desire to
> become ASF projects will get the full cooperation and support of this PMC.
I should take this opportunity to let everyone know that James' commiters have voted to do this.
We see it not as leaving Jakarta, but growing up. We're pretty much autonomous in our day-to-day workings, we have a mature code-base and a self-sustaining (if compact) community, and although we keep our eyes on the rest of Jakarta the only part we're closely tied to is Avalon, and they're moving too.
As far as I'm concerned there is no "goodbye" in all of this, its just a normalisation of the status-quo. Jakarta contains many fertile brains which James would be mad to ignore, James will continue to look to Jakarta as a role model and a key resource, and I hope as individuals, we can continue to be involved in the life and progress of the project.
d.
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