Re: Apache MetaModel bylaws draft published

[Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>]

The definitions in our by-laws are incorrect. This is a product of the
fact that Apache Kafka's bylaws are also incorrect.

Specifically, lazy consensus is "silence is consent", and definitely
not "3 +1 votes".

Fortunately, Apache Hadoop's bylaws seem to have the correct
definitions here. So I would suggest we update ours.

I would also suggest that we at least have a vote on this (either the
modification, or the official adoption of this document by the
project) in accordance with our own bylaws. :)

On 30 September 2013 10:26, Kasper Sørensen
<i....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've adapted the bylaws of projects such as Apache Kafka and Hadoop into a
> set of bylaws for MetaModel. Since we're still a pretty small community (my
> impression at least) I downsides some of the minimal amount of votes
> required in the 'actions' section though. Would love everyone's input on
> the bylaws - if anything is missing, incorrect, not how you'd like to see
> it or whatever might come up!
>
> The draft bylaws can be found here:
> https://wiki.apache.org/metamodel/Bylaws
>
> Kind regards,
> Kasper



-- 
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater

Re: Apache MetaModel bylaws draft published

[Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>]

Bylaws are not needed, but as somebody who grew another project
without them, I can tell you that I wish we had them from the start.

On 14 November 2013 17:25, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, we need actual VOTE when the draft is somewhat ready but looks
> like there are some changes need to be made.
>
> Arvind made a point about having our own bylaws may be not needed but
> I do believe if we want to just "inherit" from ASF bylaws we need some
> kind of guidelines on how Metamodel operates.
> This will contains some exceptions to the rule to move things faster
> than larger ASF communities.
>
> Such as RTC, maybe we could relax it by having lazy consensus for patches.
>
> - Henry
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> The definitions in our by-laws are incorrect. This is a product of the
>> fact that Apache Kafka's bylaws are also incorrect.
>>
>> Specifically, lazy consensus is "silence is consent", and definitely
>> not "3 +1 votes".
>>
>> Fortunately, Apache Hadoop's bylaws seem to have the correct
>> definitions here. So I would suggest we update ours.
>>
>> I would also suggest that we at least have a vote on this (either the
>> modification, or the official adoption of this document by the
>> project) in accordance with our own bylaws. :)
>>
>> On 30 September 2013 10:26, Kasper Sørensen
>> <i....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I've adapted the bylaws of projects such as Apache Kafka and Hadoop into a
>>> set of bylaws for MetaModel. Since we're still a pretty small community (my
>>> impression at least) I downsides some of the minimal amount of votes
>>> required in the 'actions' section though. Would love everyone's input on
>>> the bylaws - if anything is missing, incorrect, not how you'd like to see
>>> it or whatever might come up!
>>>
>>> The draft bylaws can be found here:
>>> https://wiki.apache.org/metamodel/Bylaws
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Kasper
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Noah Slater
>> https://twitter.com/nslater



-- 
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater

Re: Apache MetaModel bylaws draft published

[Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>]

Yeah, we need actual VOTE when the draft is somewhat ready but looks
like there are some changes need to be made.

Arvind made a point about having our own bylaws may be not needed but
I do believe if we want to just "inherit" from ASF bylaws we need some
kind of guidelines on how Metamodel operates.
This will contains some exceptions to the rule to move things faster
than larger ASF communities.

Such as RTC, maybe we could relax it by having lazy consensus for patches.

- Henry


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> The definitions in our by-laws are incorrect. This is a product of the
> fact that Apache Kafka's bylaws are also incorrect.
>
> Specifically, lazy consensus is "silence is consent", and definitely
> not "3 +1 votes".
>
> Fortunately, Apache Hadoop's bylaws seem to have the correct
> definitions here. So I would suggest we update ours.
>
> I would also suggest that we at least have a vote on this (either the
> modification, or the official adoption of this document by the
> project) in accordance with our own bylaws. :)
>
> On 30 September 2013 10:26, Kasper Sørensen
> <i....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I've adapted the bylaws of projects such as Apache Kafka and Hadoop into a
>> set of bylaws for MetaModel. Since we're still a pretty small community (my
>> impression at least) I downsides some of the minimal amount of votes
>> required in the 'actions' section though. Would love everyone's input on
>> the bylaws - if anything is missing, incorrect, not how you'd like to see
>> it or whatever might come up!
>>
>> The draft bylaws can be found here:
>> https://wiki.apache.org/metamodel/Bylaws
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Kasper
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater