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website hosting
I would like to create an online service using tapestry, but how do I
find a website hosting company which will allow me to use tapestry?
I am UK based, so If anyone has any recommendations that will get me
started that would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Gareth Deli
g01z@yahoo.co.uk
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Re: website hosting
Posted by Lindsay Steele <ls...@iinet.net.au>.
It is hard to suggest something because it is hard to know your full
requirements.
For me when using something quick and cheap for example apps, I have
found eatj (www.eatj.com) to be ok. The only problem is the uploading
of a large war file and the limited (uncaring) support. They do work
with tapestry though and offer great value for a small applications.
You can even create a free account and test things for free.
There are also some other shared hosts that will offer similar deals -
the only problem with many of them is cost.
If you are good at setting things up and managing a system from scratch
- then unmanaged VPS hosting can be great. This is what I currently
use. You choose a level of resource to suit what you are running. This
involves finding a host who suits your requirements with regard to
memory, your disk and bandwidth usage. It allows you to do things like
run straight tomcat (so I can get client IP addresses) and run things
like postgreql. It is all your choice. These can be quite good and
cost effective if that is one of your requirements. Some come with
various control panels to help ease administration - again at extra cost.
If you are not so confident setting things up and managing the host
fully (things such as complicated db setup, patching etc etc) then there
are also a number of VPS providers offering managed hosting. You get
your own environment but they do some of the setup and day to day things
but they cost a bit more.
A good resource is http://www.webhostingtalk.com/ - check out the VPS
Forum to see a number of possible candidates and peoples reviews of
dealing with them - and also scroll to the bottom and view the Web
Hosting Offers --> VPS Hosting Offers for a range of VPS hosts
offering what they have.
A dedicated server is nice resource wise - only problem is that it is
going to cost you a bucket. This suits some people but it doesn't suit
others.
As for backup, if using the right type of DB and setup, you could use
some sort of periodic replication back to another DB. This is an
advantage of being able to manage your own system. Many of the VPS's
also allow backup to another drive, one I saw offered bi-daily backups
to dedicated backup servers. My host gives me 4 Gigs of usable data
and another 4 Gigs to create periodic images of my setup.
Good Luck,
Lindsay
Gareth Deli wrote:
> I would like to create an online service using tapestry, but how do I
> find a website hosting company which will allow me to use tapestry?
>
> I am UK based, so If anyone has any recommendations that will get me
> started that would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gareth Deli
> g01z@yahoo.co.uk
>
>
>
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Re: website hosting
Posted by John Coleman <jo...@ntlworld.com>.
I don't think you get root access with this setup, fine if you don't want
that. Check.
John
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From: "Jer Kah" <je...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: website hosting
I've been looking at http://www.dailyrazor.com. Anyone have any
experience with them? Or heard anything good or bad?
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Re: website hosting
Posted by Jer Kah <je...@gmail.com>.
I've been looking at http://www.dailyrazor.com. Anyone have any
experience with them? Or heard anything good or bad?
On 1/2/06, John Coleman <jo...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I use Rimuhosting.com. Wide variety of options, good prices, nice guys.
>
> see http://rimuhosting.com/javahosting.jsp
>
> John
>
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> From: "Gareth Deli" <g0...@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:54 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] website hosting
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> > I would like to create an online service using tapestry, but how do I
> > find a website hosting company which will allow me to use tapestry?
> >
> > I am UK based, so If anyone has any recommendations that will get me
> > started that would be much appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Gareth Deli
> > g01z@yahoo.co.uk
> >
> >
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Re: website hosting
Posted by John Coleman <jo...@ntlworld.com>.
I use Rimuhosting.com. Wide variety of options, good prices, nice guys.
see http://rimuhosting.com/javahosting.jsp
John
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From: "Gareth Deli" <g0...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Tapestry users" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:54 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] website hosting
> I would like to create an online service using tapestry, but how do I
> find a website hosting company which will allow me to use tapestry?
>
> I am UK based, so If anyone has any recommendations that will get me
> started that would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gareth Deli
> g01z@yahoo.co.uk
>
>
>
>
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Re: website hosting
Posted by Jean-Eric Cuendet <je...@rptec.ch>.
I have the same problem, here in Switzerland.
You must find a provider that accepts j2ee applications. I have 2
options here: (with www.swisscenter.ch)
- Dedicated Virtual server where I can do what I want: install
Apache+Tomcat+Tapestry+...
- j2ee hosting: you provide a war file and it is deployed "I don't
know where but that works".
Not that easy to find a provider though...
-jec
Gareth Deli wrote:
> I would like to create an online service using tapestry, but how do I
> find a website hosting company which will allow me to use tapestry?
>
> I am UK based, so If anyone has any recommendations that will get me
> started that would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gareth Deli
> g01z@yahoo.co.uk
>
>
>
>
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Re: website hosting
Posted by Martin Strand <ma...@entcap.se>.
I had a virtual server once using UML
(http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net) and it's pretty much the same as
having a box of your own, except you're sharing the hardware (not
software, each customer's got his own OS) with a couple of others.
--Martin
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:08:26 +0100, Patrick Casey <pa...@adelphia.net>
wrote:
> Yah, but then you're time slicing a fragment of a box, often with
> restrictions on what you can do with it e.g. you get the 1.4.2 JVM
> because
> that's what the server has on it, you get the standard package list and
> can't install more, etc.
>
> A virtual server may well work for a lot of applications, but in my
> experience it's not a good platform to deploy a complex web application
> on
> unless you're *very* sure beforehand that the server template has all the
> packages and permissions you're going to need.
>
> If you get your own box, you have control and can put whatever JVM,
> .jars, .rpms, whatever on it you want.
>
> --- Pat
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jean-Eric Cuendet [mailto:jec@rptec.ch]
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:03 PM
>> To: Tapestry users
>> Subject: Re: website hosting
>>
>>
>> > Well, a lot of services will just flat out lease you a box, then
>> > it's up to you to use whatever you want on them. Usually for $100 per
>> month
>> > or so, you can get a box with a static IP address and an internet
>> > connection. You can, of course, pay a lot more if you require, say hot
>> > hourly backup and a fault tolerant raid array on the box.
>>
>> With swisscenter.ch, you have a dedicated Virtual Server box for 39CHF
>> (~25Euros) + the same for backups if needed.
>> -jec
>>
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RE: website hosting
Posted by Patrick Casey <pa...@adelphia.net>.
<snip>
> In the case I described, the only restrictions is that you can not load
> new modules in the kernel. Not a big deal IMO...
> You can install whatever packages you need (on a CentOS aka RHEL base)
> in a 15Gb disk.
> Good enough for 99% of people no?
> -jec
Quite possibly. My concern is just that people look before they leap with
virtual servers. It's not *quite* the same thing as having a dedicated box.
--- Pat
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Re: website hosting
Posted by Jean-Eric Cuendet <je...@rptec.ch>.
> Yah, but then you're time slicing a fragment of a box, often with
> restrictions on what you can do with it e.g. you get the 1.4.2 JVM because
> that's what the server has on it, you get the standard package list and
> can't install more, etc.
>
> A virtual server may well work for a lot of applications, but in my
> experience it's not a good platform to deploy a complex web application on
> unless you're *very* sure beforehand that the server template has all the
> packages and permissions you're going to need.
>
> If you get your own box, you have control and can put whatever JVM,
> .jars, .rpms, whatever on it you want.
In the case I described, the only restrictions is that you can not load
new modules in the kernel. Not a big deal IMO...
You can install whatever packages you need (on a CentOS aka RHEL base)
in a 15Gb disk.
Good enough for 99% of people no?
-jec
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RE: website hosting
Posted by Patrick Casey <pa...@adelphia.net>.
Yah, but then you're time slicing a fragment of a box, often with
restrictions on what you can do with it e.g. you get the 1.4.2 JVM because
that's what the server has on it, you get the standard package list and
can't install more, etc.
A virtual server may well work for a lot of applications, but in my
experience it's not a good platform to deploy a complex web application on
unless you're *very* sure beforehand that the server template has all the
packages and permissions you're going to need.
If you get your own box, you have control and can put whatever JVM,
.jars, .rpms, whatever on it you want.
--- Pat
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Eric Cuendet [mailto:jec@rptec.ch]
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:03 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: website hosting
>
>
> > Well, a lot of services will just flat out lease you a box, then
> > it's up to you to use whatever you want on them. Usually for $100 per
> month
> > or so, you can get a box with a static IP address and an internet
> > connection. You can, of course, pay a lot more if you require, say hot
> > hourly backup and a fault tolerant raid array on the box.
>
> With swisscenter.ch, you have a dedicated Virtual Server box for 39CHF
> (~25Euros) + the same for backups if needed.
> -jec
>
>
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Re: website hosting
Posted by Jean-Eric Cuendet <je...@rptec.ch>.
> Well, a lot of services will just flat out lease you a box, then
> it's up to you to use whatever you want on them. Usually for $100 per month
> or so, you can get a box with a static IP address and an internet
> connection. You can, of course, pay a lot more if you require, say hot
> hourly backup and a fault tolerant raid array on the box.
With swisscenter.ch, you have a dedicated Virtual Server box for 39CHF
(~25Euros) + the same for backups if needed.
-jec
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RE: website hosting
Posted by Patrick Casey <pa...@adelphia.net>.
Well, a lot of services will just flat out lease you a box, then
it's up to you to use whatever you want on them. Usually for $100 per month
or so, you can get a box with a static IP address and an internet
connection. You can, of course, pay a lot more if you require, say hot
hourly backup and a fault tolerant raid array on the box.
I'm leasing a box right now from Godaddy (yes, the guys with the
well endowed woman on the commercials) for about $120 a month. I wouldn't
necessarily recommend them (their customer service tries very hard not to
answer any questions put to them), but there are other providers in that
range and if you're confident you can set up and run your own box using
nothing more than ssh and ftp one of them should do the trick.
--- Pat
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gareth Deli [mailto:g01z@yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:54 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: website hosting
>
> I would like to create an online service using tapestry, but how do I
> find a website hosting company which will allow me to use tapestry?
>
> I am UK based, so If anyone has any recommendations that will get me
> started that would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gareth Deli
> g01z@yahoo.co.uk
>
>
>
>
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